"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 18/07/2010 9:00 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:51:17 -0600,
wrote:

On 18/07/2010 12:16 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:49:21 -0400, wrote:



fine. when you become 100M middle class americans, you be sure and let
me know, OK?

again...the question:

which 401K funds manager...magellan, shearson, chase, etc...is doing
better today than in 2006?

go ahead. take your time

I guess you don't have the right mondset.

Money is attracted to those who know how to manage it.

if that's true

why has the US economy collapsed. you mean to tell me there's NO ONE
in the US who knows how to mamage money??

you sure are stupid

Simple, US government and peoples hit the tipping point where they no
longer attract money.

There is only so much corruption, bailout and entitlement a system can
stand before the tipping point is reached.


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Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

Yes, you are simple. Amoeba like.

On 20/07/2010 3:03 AM, Charles C. wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 09:09:37 -0400, "Charles C."
wrote:






I am curious. How much of the 14 trillion lost on Wall Street represents
real money loses and not paper loses. I have very modest investments
in the
stock market that I started in 1999.

and the difference is? 'paper' losses are real losses representing a
loss in equity and a loss in the ability to extend further investments

Not a 401k. Just small investments that I manage myself. Don't spend
much time watching them. Not a day trader type.

The paper value of those investments right now is about four to five
times
the initial investment, despite the meltdown of 2008. I suppose I could
complain that without the meltdown the stock values would be much
higher,
but I don't regard that as loses. Loses would mean the value of the
investments today are less than the original deposit into the account.

what they represent is a loss of time. if you're 20 you have no
problem. in the next 40 years you'll be OK

if, however, you're a baby boomer, well that's a different story


CC


So, in other words, I should be screaming and bitching about the "loss"
of money that I never earned or had. I see. Starting to understand how
the left thinks.

CC

Can the left think?

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Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:04:59 -0400, Larry wrote:

John H wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:10:30 -0400, wrote:


On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 19:46:34 -0400, "Harold"
wrote:


http://screen.yahoo.com/funds.html


and here is where you're confused. 401K's are managed by fund
managers...the funds they manage CAN do pretty well on an individual
basis. yet, unless you're a full time manager yourself, you have NO
idea which ones these are going to be.


Move your $40 to a money market fund and STFU.

You'd think all the Limo Liberals here would get up a collection for poor
bpuharic


notice how the right ignores the situation facing the middle class?

the rich are doing fine...so that's all that matters

Seriously, Bob, do you really think all the conservatives here, or anywhere, are
rich? Do you not think a bunch of us might be middle class? Yet you are the one
doing all the whining because you paid little attention to your investment.

I asked if your 401K had a money market fund. By putting your money in same, you
could have prevented the losses you took.

Don't they all? If he has/had a company match - it would be free money,
too!

I've noticed he won't answer a straightforward question.
--

John H

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:33:31 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 19/07/2010 5:23 PM, Larry wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:


If stupid is making money at, especailly when others loose it, well, I
guess them I am pretty darned stupid.
Dollar cost averaging is a great thing right now for retirement money if
you still have 10+ years to go. Obama won't be around forever - he's a
one-term President.

I would ahve to agree. Obama is leading the longest depression in
modern times, his head is on the block and clearly Obamanomics is failing.

canuck hates the black guy in the white house.

he's too stupid to realize the depression started in 2007. obama
wasn't president

but to the right wing, that's irrelevant. he still gets blamed. after
all, bush was white. and you can't blame a white guy if a black guy is
available

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:37:54 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 18/07/2010 11:23 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 01:02:54 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:00:52 -0400, wrote:



yah. they're called wall street hedge fund managers. they're doing
fine.

middle class america? still getting screwed

I have done quite well with my middle class income and the markets,

no one gives a **** about you. there are 100,000,000 americans who
arent you

you right whiners are obsessed with yourselves. you're greedy, self
absorbed and insular....which is why you're too stupid to know about
what's happened in the US in the last 10 years

quite good actually as the democrats created a create buying oppotunity
by trashing the US federal economics.

the GOP deregulated the hell out of the economy. it's fre market
fundamentalism leading to wall street socialism courtesy of the right


Just because you invest in dogs does not mean everyone did.

tell it to america's middle class...which you admit you despise

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:31:47 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 18/07/2010 9:00 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:51:17 -0600,
wrote:
.

Money is attracted to those who know how to manage it.

if that's true

why has the US economy collapsed. you mean to tell me there's NO ONE
in the US who knows how to mamage money??

you sure are stupid

Simple, US government and peoples hit the tipping point where they no
longer attract money.

i love it when the right wing is wrong....

money is flowing to the US from europe. the euro is dying...

he is SSSOOOO Stupid...


There is only so much corruption, bailout and entitlement a system can
stand before the tipping point is reached.

yeah. wall street socialism is kiling the middle class

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:59:01 -0400, Larry wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 19:37:27 -0400, wrote:



Certain income funds are just as productive as money market funds. The
NAV will vary - even drop for a while, but you are adding shares through
reinvested dividends.


IOW buy low

sell high

who cudda guessed.

Evidently you didn't.

sorry sport. the right lied. the middle class died

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:42:24 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 20/07/2010 4:59 PM, Larry wrote:
bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 19:37:27 -0400, wrote:


Certain income funds are just as productive as money market funds. The
NAV will vary - even drop for a while, but you are adding shares through
reinvested dividends.

IOW buy low

sell high

who cudda guessed.
Evidently you didn't.

Stupid too, one of my faves was buying Ford for under $2.25 and selling
at over $6.75, I know, could have held out for $11 but never got burned
taking profit.

notice how the right calls every single hard working american an
idiot?


bpuharic probably just wet his pants when the market was giving hot deals.

he's too stupid to know that, 5 years ago the wealth of all US
households was 65B

today it's 55B

to the right, little fairy tales and emotions take the place of hard
headed reason and logic

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:20:56 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:07:55 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

and there as many HF managers who saw this coming as economists

MOST hedge fund managers were betting against housing in 2007, that is
what hedge funds do.

except, of course, they told no one. the fine against goldman sachs
that depressed their first quarter earnings was for exactly this type
of screwing around


BTW I was reading an old Fortune magazine at Jury duty today (jan/feb
2010) and they had a list of the funds that did get it right this
year, one was up 265%. They also listed 1000 with their results for a
year and 3 years. I was looking at the Fidelity funds and most of them
were up this year, about half up over the last 3.
I guess I will dig out my 401k statement and see how it really did.
I know the last time I looked it was double what it was when I stopped
contributing in 1996.

too bad the right wing destroyed the pension system in this country
and let the rich replace it with 401k's.

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:47:37 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 20/07/2010 3:07 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 06:47:48 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:08:45 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 07:39:08 -0400, wrote:


ahem. let's see....the number of economists predicting this collapse
was about

5.

That may be right but "economists" are largely idiots from what I have
seen.

now THAT is true...

Thee were plenty of hedge fund managers who saw this coming.
Ever hear of the Goldman Sachs thing?
I know for a fact Andy Hannigan at Centex Homes knew this was coming
as early as 2q07. They were pulling back by then.

and there as many HF managers who saw this coming as economists

The earliest predictor I know of was Ron Paul, circa 2002 to 2004.

when he wasnt advocating gassing jews...

I
listened and I watched. Huge reason that by 2004 I was well in the
swing of moving out of US equity and USDs. Going from 90% in US at 2002
to 12% in 2007. Saved me a lot of losses.

i wonder what else you listened to ron paul say...

know many jews?