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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:01:59 -0700, "Califbill"
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:42:56 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


more incredibly stupid bull****.

INFLATION ADJUSTED wages have not risen in 30 years

are you naturally stupid or do you practice?


Why should someone get a raise above inflation?

ladies and gentlemen...there's a name for this question. it's called
'backpedaling'.

he shrieked that the middle class was doing fine. great! perfect! we
were all getting these huge merit based wage increases.

NOW that i've shoved the truth up his...ahem...nose...he's reduced to
pleading that the middle class doesnt deserve squat.

the reason we deserve increases is the following

1. productivity has increased about 30% in the last 10 years alone.
sharing NONE of this with america's middle class is GREED. pure and
simple.

we've seen WALL STREET greed. and now we see CORPORATE
greed...balanced on the backs of america's middle class

2. and this is a critical point...

THE MIDDLE CLASS IS THE BACKBONE OF THE ECONOMY.

yes, that's right folks. the right wing, as he admitted...wants to
destroy the middle class by denying them any wage increases at all

BUT when you do this, you wind up with a middle class that has NO
spending power. consumer spending accounts for about 70% of GDP

you right wingers want ALL the money to go to the rich without
realizing that, when you do this, you destroy 70% of the GDP

THEN you're shocked...SHOCKED when we go into a depression because the
middle class can't spend.

THIS is why you guys are clueless. you work like ants to do EVERYTHING
to destroy middle class wage earners THEN cant understand when
consumers stop spending!!


Did they improve the bottom
line? Those that get raises get merit raises. I got those when I worked,
but I also help produce increases in income. Just because you were there
a
year, you do not deserve a raise above inflation, maybe not a raise at
all.
If you are doing the same amount of work and producing the same amount of
widgets per year, and the cost of widgets went down, you should get a
decrease in pay. Raises are not an entitlement!

you keep bleating on with your bizarre cult questions as if what I am
doing affects 100,000,000 other americans.

face it rush-boy. the middle class is being wrecked by exactly the
policies you advocate.

and it blows your fuses to see that the middle class cant spend, and
cant drive the economy because we have no money

it's quite straightforward to anyone but the far right


I have not backpedaled. Seems as you are the one who does that with
increasing frequency. My question to you is still why should a person doing
the same job get a raise just because a year has passed? Has productivity
increased, or the revenue per part? Most of industry has been shrinking
production. Cars a prime example. They may go up in price 30% but they are
not making 30% more.

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:32:25 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:30:16 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

it's greed. there's a reason the financial sector accounted for 40% of
GDP in 2007 while the US did NOT become more competitive in world
markets. the financial sector added NOTHING to US assets

Where do you think the money for your retirement will be coming from?

that's the problem. there is none.


The whole basis for everyone's pension, 401k and IRA is that Wall
Street sector you seem to hate.

gee. that's why i'll have to work, like millions of others, until i'm
70

so you're right. wall street has our money for retirement

which means no one can retire. thanks. i already knew that

Retirees are by definition not adding
anything to the economy, they are living off of it.
The same is true of everyone on Social Security. You better hope Wall
Street stays 40% of the economy if you want your 401k to be worth
anything when you start sucking off the public tit.

bull****. wall street produces nothing. there is no value added in
trading CDO's

you know **** about business. if what you say is true, then why is the
economy a disaster?

answer: because too many people believe as you do.



I actually feel badly for you. You despise wall street and big business
yet, up until the meltdown, you were happy to rely on them to grow your
money into a nice retirement nest egg with no effort on your part. When
the bottom fell out you can't accept any responsibility. So, you blame
everyone else.

Typical liberal.

I don't feel sorry for you. You were stupid. I feel for the people trying
to scratch out a living, providing for their families who don't have an
extra nickel to invest in wall street.
They deserve help.

CC

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:07:32 -0700, "Califbill"
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:42:39 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 22/07/2010 4:21 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:36:49 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:
s. you simply think
you're rich so it MUST be god on your side

go ahead. sell that attitude to the millions who cant make mortgage
payments, or lose their jobs.

Bill's stopy is not quique. Those that are "conservative" and don't
worship debt do far better than liberal debt mongers.

gee. that biggest spenders in history are conservatives.


Maybe previously, but the liberals in charge have spent more in the last
18
months than almost all the conservatives combined.

you DO realize that the spending in the first year of obama's
govt...was determined by george bush...bush raised the deficit to 9%
of GDP.

so, again, you give us proof of your racism


And Obama has raised it to about 18%. We are borrowing about 40 cents of
every dollar of spending. How long you think that can go on. Cities and
states are in the same boat. Mostly because they promised pie in the sky
retirement benefits they did not fund. When a few large cities declare
bankruptcy, which is not out of the question, they may be few states,
California being the leader who default on their debt. How much do you
think we will have to pay to borrow that excess spending money? We will big
in the same boat as the PIIGS. Obama asked all of Europe at the G20 to
deficit spend our way out of the recession. HE WAS TURNED DOWN. We have
about 107 Trillion in unfunded mandates. Mostly SS, and Medicare and other
government retirement stuff. What is that 10x the GDP? Historically the
Fed has gotten about 18% of the GDP in revenue. No matter what the tax
rates. It is projected by a couple economists that by 2024 the average
worker will have to pay 62% of their wages to the Feds. How many will work
at the rate? How many will decide they can go on the dole and do about the
same?

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:06:26 -0700, "Califbill"
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:36:49 -0700, "Califbill"

I may be dumb, but not anywhere as dumb as you. I have bought several
houses, I own my house.

no one cares. you're not the entire middle class. you simply think
you're rich so it MUST be god on your side

go ahead. sell that attitude to the millions who cant make mortgage
payments, or lose their jobs.

I am not rich. A long ways from rich.

gee. i get the rich mixed up with their right wing sock puppets. sorry

I do not own a G5 airplane, or a
mega yacht. Comfortable, but that is because I lived on 75% of my income
and saved the rest. You should be in the lower rich or the super
comfortable range. engineer and wife who is an attorney.

which is irrelevant to 100M americans trying to make a living and
being wrecked by wall street

My wife only
worked part time while the girls were in college. She was a stay at home
mom when they were in primary schools. 100's of thousands can not make
mortgage payments because they bought more house than they could afford!

yeah. who needs food and clothing for the kids! let 'em starve! if
they're not rich, screw 'em


Not irrelevant to your rants. You cry poor and no 401k and not savings.
You have lived way beyond your means, to be 55 and not have much other than
a 31 year old boat.

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On 22/07/2010 5:52 PM, Larry wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/07/2010 8:51 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:36:22 -0600,
wrote:

On 21/07/2010 7:53 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:35:19 -0400, wrote:



Only the dumb ones. I retired when I was 49 but I did have a little
hobby job for a few years after that.

so 100M americans are dumb

you right whiners think your little fairy tales have an impact on the
middle class.

wrong

Nope, many of them become lillionaires! And before they are 50... Only
the portion that is not thinking correctly end up losers and without
raises.

why not check the GINI coefficient? the US has the least social
mobility of 10 western democracies, except for the UK

Because many have lost the American way, trading it in for envy, greed
and entitlement -- which do not work.

Plus, your born much better off than 80% of the world to start with.
In in Afganistan, less than a 50% chance you can read when you are 20.
The room to grow their is high. Bum to Saddam or Obama, sorry, Osama
in a lifetime is real and fewer people to compete with.

more facts to blow your bull**** away.

and those without raises? that's the ENTIRE MIDDLE CLASS

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...the-day-6.html


I actually don't entirely disagree with you in that being middle class
is now tougher than ever before. But I disagree with the reason.

Big fat corruptive government is the cause. Track total government
revnue against wages...you will see government outsrips income. And
you can't keep having government grow like a cancer.

At some point, DC will go bankrupt. And Obama will have the dubious
honor of kicking DC past the tipping point.

DC will tip over? Like Guam?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9R-cQ_A_6w

I would look up his constituancy, but at least 50% of the people there
are dumber than nails for voting for jack ass.

What an imbecile. Should give him a drug test.

--

Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

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On 22/07/2010 10:32 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:42:39 -0600,
wrote:

On 22/07/2010 4:21 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:36:49 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:
s. you simply think
you're rich so it MUST be god on your side

go ahead. sell that attitude to the millions who cant make mortgage
payments, or lose their jobs.

Bill's stopy is not quique. Those that are "conservative" and don't
worship debt do far better than liberal debt mongers.

gee. that biggest spenders in history are conservatives.


Wrong, Obama in less than two years has overspent Bush in 8 year buy
THREE times the amount.

I suggest you read up on 1932, the second dip, the big second dip after
governmen then tried to buy its way out of debt.

I figure this winter is going to be a cold one for many.

--

Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

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On 22/07/2010 7:41 PM, Califbill wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:07:32 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:



"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:42:39 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 22/07/2010 4:21 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:36:49 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:
s. you simply think
you're rich so it MUST be god on your side

go ahead. sell that attitude to the millions who cant make mortgage
payments, or lose their jobs.

Bill's stopy is not quique. Those that are "conservative" and don't
worship debt do far better than liberal debt mongers.

gee. that biggest spenders in history are conservatives.


Maybe previously, but the liberals in charge have spent more in the
last 18
months than almost all the conservatives combined.

you DO realize that the spending in the first year of obama's
govt...was determined by george bush...bush raised the deficit to 9%
of GDP.

so, again, you give us proof of your racism


And Obama has raised it to about 18%. We are borrowing about 40 cents of
every dollar of spending. How long you think that can go on. Cities and
states are in the same boat. Mostly because they promised pie in the sky
retirement benefits they did not fund. When a few large cities declare
bankruptcy, which is not out of the question, they may be few states,
California being the leader who default on their debt. How much do you
think we will have to pay to borrow that excess spending money? We will
big in the same boat as the PIIGS. Obama asked all of Europe at the G20
to deficit spend our way out of the recession. HE WAS TURNED DOWN. We
have about 107 Trillion in unfunded mandates. Mostly SS, and Medicare
and other government retirement stuff. What is that 10x the GDP?
Historically the Fed has gotten about 18% of the GDP in revenue. No
matter what the tax rates. It is projected by a couple economists that
by 2024 the average worker will have to pay 62% of their wages to the
Feds. How many will work at the rate? How many will decide they can go
on the dole and do about the same?

Actually, not long. There are strong indications serious money is
exiting USD. Will not be long before a big tilt happens on the US and
inflation will skyrocket. I figure it is going to be this fall or winter.
--

Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:32:44 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:



"bpuharic" wrote in message
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face it rush-boy. the middle class is being wrecked by exactly the
policies you advocate.

and it blows your fuses to see that the middle class cant spend, and
cant drive the economy because we have no money

it's quite straightforward to anyone but the far right


I have not backpedaled. Seems as you are the one who does that with
increasing frequency. My question to you is still why should a person doing
the same job get a raise just because a year has passed?

first you DENIED that middle class wages were flat. NOW you admit it
bugt say 'screw the middle class'

why should the RICH get a raise when they dont do diick for the
economy?

productivity in the last 10 years has increased 30%. NONE of that
went to the middle class

you saying workers had NO effect on productivity?

go ahead and prove it

Has productivity
increased, or the revenue per part?

yes. productivity has increased 30% in the last 10 years.

NONE of it went to the middle class. not one penny

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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:48:04 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:07:03 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

the reason we deserve increases is the following

1. productivity has increased about 30% in the last 10 years alone.
sharing NONE of this with america's middle class is GREED. pure and
simple.

Productivity increased because we just don't need as many people to
get the job done and the skill set of those people can be lower.

funny germany doesnt see it that way. their heavily unioned work force
has been paid well. and they're competitive

you're trying too hard to spin your right wing head around your failed
idieology. you have been reduced to trying to say the US middle class
is unique in the world in its incompetence and greed. and you say the
wall street folks are decent, moral and hardworking generous folks

bull**** to both

I will use an example I know a lot about

In 1990 a data center would have a quarter acre of machines with 30
operators and 10-15 techs keeping that hardware going. Everyone was
making a pretty good salary.

i have data from the ENTIRE GDP and the ENTIRE Middle class.

you? you have a reader's digest view of the economy

no wonder you're right wing. data means NOTHING to you. anecdotes, old
wives's tales and talk radio are everything

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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:41:42 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:



"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:07:32 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:




gee. that biggest spenders in history are conservatives.


Maybe previously, but the liberals in charge have spent more in the last
18
months than almost all the conservatives combined.

you DO realize that the spending in the first year of obama's
govt...was determined by george bush...bush raised the deficit to 9%
of GDP.

so, again, you give us proof of your racism


And Obama has raised it to about 18%.

well no. it's still running about 9 oir 10%. bush increased it by
300%. obama by about 10%.

but bush is white, you see...

We are borrowing about 40 cents of
every dollar of spending. How long you think that can go on.

tell you what

stop spending that 40 cents. what do you think is gonna happen to the
economy? consumers cant afford to spend because they've been raped by
the rich for the past 30 years. so where's the money?


We will big
in the same boat as the PIIGS. Obama asked all of Europe at the G20 to
deficit spend our way out of the recession. HE WAS TURNED DOWN.

gee. ireland didnt spend. they cut govt spending. their economy is now
in a tailspin

how's that working out?

We have
about 107 Trillion in unfunded mandates. Mostly SS, and Medicare and other
government retirement stuff. What is that 10x the GDP? Historically the
Fed has gotten about 18% of the GDP in revenue. No matter what the tax
rates. It is projected by a couple economists that by 2024 the average
worker will have to pay 62% of their wages to the Feds. How many will work
at the rate? How many will decide they can go on the dole and do about the
same?

gee. too bad wall street has raped the middle class, leaving us no
money at all, isnt it?