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No living entity "benefits" by coming into existence
On 6/30/2010 1:26 PM, oxtail wrote:
Fred C. Dobbs wrote: On 6/30/2010 11:04 AM, oxtail wrote: bundling snowfalls wrote: On 1/07/2010 1:56 AM, oxtail wrote: Fred C. Dobbs wrote: A benefit is something that improves the welfare of an entity. Prior to its existence, there is no entity and thus no welfare, so coming into existence cannot improve an entity's welfare. We do not "give the gift of life" to livestock animals by breeding them into existence; we do not do them any "favor". We facilitate their existence, but that existence is not a gift or benefit to them. No matter how pleasant their lives might be once they do exist, existence itself is not a benefit to them. No harm would be inflicted on any animals if, suddenly and for whatever reason, we were to stop breeding livestock animals into existence. The fact that "billions of farm animals" would thereby never exist would have no moral meaning to any animals. There would not be any lack of consideration shown. If you are not smart enough to be concerned about the welfare of sentient beings to be born in the future, you have no business to worry about what other people do or think. of course the welfare matters you idiot. it's about the existence of them in future. in particular, existence being bred for meat. grow up you guys, that's about enough. You are not getting it. We are. You either are not, or are pretending you don't as part of another tedious attempt at playing the "zen game". It's not about the welfare of animals; it's about their existence in the first place. "We just don't know" is perfectly acceptable In this topic, we do know. |
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