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You righties are toast. Because General Fruitcake is joining the race? This joker almost started WWIII, and could have if not for a British General. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/671495.stm He has absolutely zero chance of beating Bush. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message news "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... How do we know he really has military experience? Good point. The guy has faked the outcome of military exercises, never served in the actual theater of operations in Kosovo, and very nearly started WWIII with the Russians. Considering that the rightists in the group think it is such a wonderful thing that little Bush got the USA in war in the middle east, this may be a bonus for you! Mark Browne |
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bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
Hold on a minute, fella's...I just got another one. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: The other threads were getting kind of boring and I had already overfished 'em, anyhow. It was a time for a new honey hole... What I find amazing is the same pelagics will leave one hole and get caught right again in the next. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "jps" wrote in message ... I cannot believe you'd attempt to compare Bush with a real leader. He's not comparing the two. He's trolling with a squid the size of Rhode Island. :-) Wait...I'm certain one of the other representatives of far-right trashdom will high-five you. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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Mark,
I think the absolute worst thing that could happen would be if a guy like Dean won the Presidency and pulled us out of Iraq too soon. The repercussions would be awful. "Rack up enough US casualties, get the media to play along, and we can control the infidels". At least if a guy like World War III Wesley was in charge, we could be sure he'd probably nuke someone over there before long...and that can't be *all* bad. Nevertheless, if I used the snowball's-chance-in-Hell analogy to describe either Dean or Wesley's chances of winning the '04 election, it wouldn't be fair to snowballs. "Mark Browne" wrote in message news:LrO9b.368591$Oz4.144038@rwcrnsc54... "NOYB" wrote in message news "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... How do we know he really has military experience? Good point. The guy has faked the outcome of military exercises, never served in the actual theater of operations in Kosovo, and very nearly started WWIII with the Russians. Considering that the rightists in the group think it is such a wonderful thing that little Bush got the USA in war in the middle east, this may be a bonus for you! Mark Browne |
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"NOYB" wrote in message om... Mark, I think the absolute worst thing that could happen would be if a guy like Dean won the Presidency and pulled us out of Iraq too soon. The repercussions would be awful. "Rack up enough US casualties, get the media to play along, and we can control the infidels". snip NYOB, There were a chorus of voices saying that we should stay the course in Vietnam right up until the end. While this may be a bit early to ask about Iraq, What sorts of signs would you accept that things are not working out - at what point would you make the call that it *is* time to cut and run? Much of the discussion has been focused on what we *want* for Iraq - a western style democracy, oil, a base in the middle east, a positive political poster child for the neocon ideals, security. It is relatively easy to frame and measure success against the goals. The shape of the answer to my question above goes a long way towards deciding if current actions are taking the USA towards failure. Before you rush to answer this, do you think that the Soviets left Afghanistan too early or too late? In perfect 20/20 hindsight, what should have been the warning signs? Considering the eventual cost of the occupation to the Soviet government (complete collapse of the government) this does seem like a relevant question in this closely related situation. Mark Browne |
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"NOYB" wrote in message
news "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net... He'll get mauled by Bush in the pressing palms and kissing babies arena. So what. Anyone who bases votes on a handshake is an idiot anyway. Unfortunately, it's the "swing" voters that vote this way. They make up less than 7% of the electorate, and there's no common theme that appeals to them. They vote for the guy they like best, many times basing their vote on nothing more than charisma. There are many centrist Dems and Reps who are still in flux. Not enchanted by Dean, who they regard as shrill -- nor Bush, who talks of compassion and acts more conservatively than anyone could imagine. Wesley Clark will sweep this 7% and, as a result, crush Bush. I repeat, you righties are toast. |
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"Joe" wrote in message
... You righties are toast. Because General Fruitcake is joining the race? This joker almost started WWIII, and could have if not for a British General. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/671495.stm He has absolutely zero chance of beating Bush. Toast. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message
om... Mark, I think the absolute worst thing that could happen would be if a guy like Dean won the Presidency and pulled us out of Iraq too soon. The repercussions would be awful. "Rack up enough US casualties, get the media to play along, and we can control the infidels". You are again confused. While the pundits like Sean Hannity are quick to state the Democrats want to bring the troops home, Dean has never stated this and has, in fact, argued against it. We're there and we need to finish what we've started in the best possible fashion (which probably differs greatly from Bush's plan to finance his buddies revenues with Iraqi oil). At least if a guy like World War III Wesley was in charge, we could be sure he'd probably nuke someone over there before long...and that can't be *all* bad. Schooled in both combat and diplomacy. An IQ probably between 80 and 100 points above Bush. Nevertheless, if I used the snowball's-chance-in-Hell analogy to describe either Dean or Wesley's chances of winning the '04 election, it wouldn't be fair to snowballs. You're talking out of your ass, as usual. Just wait, you'll be eating whatever tripe you're spewing so I'd suggest you don't spew too much. |
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I think we establish bases there *outside the cities*, help organize a
police force and governing body, and then pull back to those bases and let the democratically elected government rule the country. We remain in our bases indefinitely to assure that no Baathists seize the country via a coup. If the newly democratically-elected government feels secure enough and asks us to leave, then we should consider leaving. "Mark Browne" wrote in message et... "NOYB" wrote in message om... Mark, I think the absolute worst thing that could happen would be if a guy like Dean won the Presidency and pulled us out of Iraq too soon. The repercussions would be awful. "Rack up enough US casualties, get the media to play along, and we can control the infidels". snip NYOB, There were a chorus of voices saying that we should stay the course in Vietnam right up until the end. While this may be a bit early to ask about Iraq, What sorts of signs would you accept that things are not working out - at what point would you make the call that it *is* time to cut and run? Much of the discussion has been focused on what we *want* for Iraq - a western style democracy, oil, a base in the middle east, a positive political poster child for the neocon ideals, security. It is relatively easy to frame and measure success against the goals. The shape of the answer to my question above goes a long way towards deciding if current actions are taking the USA towards failure. Before you rush to answer this, do you think that the Soviets left Afghanistan too early or too late? In perfect 20/20 hindsight, what should have been the warning signs? Considering the eventual cost of the occupation to the Soviet government (complete collapse of the government) this does seem like a relevant question in this closely related situation. Mark Browne |
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There are many centrist Dems and Reps who are still in flux. Not enchanted by Dean, who they regard as shrill -- nor Bush, who talks of compassion and acts more conservatively than anyone could imagine. Wesley Clark will sweep this 7% and, as a result, crush Bush. I repeat, you righties are toast. You are right on, jps. None of the other Dems interest me -- they're just the usual bunch of lifelong politicians. On the other hand, I like what Clark has to say, the direct way he says his piece, and most importantly his values parallel mine. I've been waiting for Clark to throw his hat in the ring for several months now, and now on the eve of his announcement, I'm excited to learn more about him. Maybe he does have some baggage -- who doesn't? But he certainly has to be better than dubya! |
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