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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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He'll get mauled by Bush in the pressing palms and kissing babies

arena.


So what. Anyone who bases votes on a handshake is an idiot anyway.


Unfortunately, it's the "swing" voters that vote this way. They make up
less than 7% of the electorate, and there's no common theme that appeals

to
them. They vote for the guy they like best, many times basing their

vote on
nothing more than charisma.



Of course. How do you think a guy like Clinton could actually win....

Clinton is a prime example of someone who is long on charisma, and short
on character.

Dave


Once again, your dependence on kindergarten-level news is obvious.

After BOTH Clinton's and Bush's successful elections, NPR sent a reporter
wandering around a couple of college campuses, asking students why they
voted the way they did. Regarding both candidates, many young women said
they voted for the winner because "he was cute", or they liked the way his
eyebrows wrinkled when making an important point in a speech.

NOYB was making a generic statement.


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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:11:46 -0400, Dave Hall wrote:

In Iraq, there is no superpower supplying arms to the terrorists. Once
we cut off their supply lines completely, they'll soon be reduced to
throwing rocks.


Point taken about arms supply, but I wouldn't underestimate the power of a
rock. A motivated and resourceful enemy will find a way to kill. I think
this has been established in our not so distant past.
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Well, that article certainly goes into plenty of depth, and completely
explains the motives and decisions of Clark and everyone else involved in
his decisions. If anyone in this NG criticized the decisions of officers
currently working in Iraq, you'd probably say that since we're not there, we
have no business questioning anyone, right?

"Joe" wrote in message
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You righties are toast.


Because General Fruitcake is joining the race?

This joker almost started WWIII, and could have if not for a British
General.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/671495.stm

He has absolutely zero chance of beating Bush.





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I guess we're all free to pick & choose from the article:
"certainly the military is suspicious of people who are intense and
passionate."

Sounds like quite a few other professional groups, like large police
departments, where people are expected to stay within a narrow job
definition, so the next level of rank doesn't fear for their pensions. If
Clark is a muckraker, he's got my vote.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"The guy is brilliant," said the general, who agreed to speak candidly

about
Clark only if his name were not used. "He's very articulate, he's

extremely
charming, he has the best strategic sense of anybody I have ever met. But
the simple fact is, a lot of people just don't trust his ability as a
commander.

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Hmmmm. You want a Commander in Chief who "a lot of people don't trust...as

a
commander"?




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They're both ego-maniacs...but the difference is Clark actually believes

he
could be President.


Well, since we're embroiled in the Middle East, it might make sense to elect
someone who actually has a clue about how the military operates. You may
recall that the last person with such credentials was Eisenhower.

It's obvious that Bush is as unqualified in this regard as you or I.




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"NOYB" wrote in message
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Mark,
I think the absolute worst thing that could happen would be if a guy like
Dean won the Presidency and pulled us out of Iraq too soon. The
repercussions would be awful. "Rack up enough US casualties, get the

media
to play along, and we can control the infidels".

At least if a guy like World War III Wesley was in charge, we could be

sure
he'd probably nuke someone over there before long...and that can't be

*all*
bad.


Hey...you're starting to sound like my father, around 1968-1969, who thought
we should "throw everything we've got" at North Vietnam. Suddenly, when I
got my draft card, he got a little antsy about what was going on over there.

How old are YOUR kids, NOYB?


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"Mark Browne" wrote in message
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Now, back to the issue at hand - you did not answer my question: What

sorts
of signs would you accept that things are not working out - at what point
would you make the call that it *is* time to cut and run?


Mark, the Bush-bots NEVER provide a straight answer to your question.


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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Mark Browne" wrote in message
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Now, back to the issue at hand - you did not answer my question: What

sorts
of signs would you accept that things are not working out - at what

point
would you make the call that it *is* time to cut and run?


I certainly *did* answer your question:

"We remain in our bases indefinitely to assure that no Baathists seize the
country via a coup. If the newly democratically-elected government feels
secure enough and asks us to leave, then we should consider leaving."



You did NOT answer his question:

"What sorts of signs would you accept that things are not working out - at
what point would you make the call that it *is* time to cut and run?"

Every good manager (synonymous with military officer) has some idea when a
project needs to be abandoned. If the original idea for the project came
with a 2 year time line, a good manager knows how to evaluate it constantly
and either adjust techniques, or wind it down.

Answer the question.


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"NOYB" wrote in message
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Clark's candidacy is being orchestrated by the Clintonista's...and most
people know that "Clinton" and "truth" should not even appear in the same
sentence.


THere's more honor and forthrightness in any Clinton bone (yes, including
that one) than in any of the buffoons who inhabit and control the White
House currently, apart from Colin Powell.

Even if Clark says that he'll roll back tax cuts, he'll make it sound

like
heaven in comparison to four more years of moronic moves by the buffoon

in
office now.


Rolling back tax cuts during a rebounding economy would result in a double
dip recession...and possibly a depression. That sound like "heaven" to

you?

Rolling back tax cuts on the richest Americans regains us close to $100
billion dollars in our annual budget. You think that'll cause a double dip
recession? Starting where, at Tiffany's?




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"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message

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LOL. You'd think that jps had a boner for Clark. He mustn't have read

much
up on the guy. Wesley's sordid past is easy pickins'.


You are fighting with a guy that knows everything about everything! He
knows whats in Bush's head, your's, mine, and everyone elses.. he
knows what is going to happen next year, he knows what everyones final
agenda is, he knows weather or not Saddam was lying, he knows what's
going on at Gitmo, Afganastan, Washington, and even knows what the
American people, as well as the people of every other country in the
world are thinking and what their future will be.... all based on what
party the leaders of the country represent... Really, he knows little
about much at all but it does not matter, ideology is all that matters
to JPS, so why do you bother?



Damn BR, for once you've got it right.


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