On 6/18/10 12:08 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 06:21:14 -0400,
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On 6/18/10 12:22 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:

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On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:23:53 -0400, wrote:

Obama shot his whole wad on this health care gift to the big medicine
lobby and let the rest of the country go to hell (or stay in hell if
that is what you think Bush was).

which was one HELLUVAN accomplishment. and the 'big medicine' lobby
is not too happy with obama

so either you're bull****ting or you're lying.


Let's see what the hall open season has to offer, then you decide how
great this "free" health care plan is working. The insurance company
is already hiking the rates for the families who want to take
advantage of the preexisting condition and those who want to put
their 20 somethings on the policy.
The big medicine people will do just fine. They are going to sell more
government paid for drugs and doctors/hospitals will get more
patients. I still have not seen anything to control the cost, They
just increased availability

There's no "free healthcare plan" as you well know. It's a capitalistic
system. Again, enough of the crazy misinformation.

If they're "hiking the rates," then it must not be free. You've got
yours, but you're unwilling to let anyone else in? That's what it sounds
like.





The key to understanding gfretwell is to realize that no matter the
issue or politician, what he mostly sees is the downside or the moral
equivalence of everyone and everything. In his eyes, Jonas Salk and Dick
Cheney are no better than each other. :)

My job was always "the fixer" so I look at things as what can go wrong
and what can you do about it.
In the case of Obamacare, the Senate bill was written be a couple
United Health Care lobbyists so "what could go wrong" is very easy to
predict


I don't buy your premise. I see the bill that passed as only a first
step. Further, the bill was all that could be passed.

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On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 12:19:24 -0400, Harry
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In the case of Obamacare, the Senate bill was written be a couple
United Health Care lobbyists so "what could go wrong" is very easy to
predict


I don't buy your premise. I see the bill that passed as only a first
step. Further, the bill was all that could be passed.

That is what scares me. This might be a framework for a real health
care plan but, more likely, it will just be a huge pork barrel where
they keep adding on to it until it becomes another bloated government
money pit.

Well, that's possible, but that's why we need to be vigilant and hold
Congress accountable for what they do.

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On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 10:46:10 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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That is what scares me. This might be a framework for a real health
care plan but, more likely, it will just be a huge pork barrel where
they keep adding on to it until it becomes another bloated government
money pit.

Well, that's possible, but that's why we need to be vigilant and hold
Congress accountable for what they do.

How is that working out so far. I saw a projection today, using
Obama's numbers that the interest on the debt will be $900 billion in
a few years. That assumes interest rates are stable. Indications are
they will go up sharply was world liquidity drops.

It's a bit early to tell how things will ultimately shake out, but spending
in general and the HC legislation HAD to happen or we'd be in much worse
shape, certainly going forward. There are no "indications" that interest
rates will go up sharply... what liquidity? The money supply is stable.

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On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 10:46:10 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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That is what scares me. This might be a framework for a real health
care plan but, more likely, it will just be a huge pork barrel where
they keep adding on to it until it becomes another bloated government
money pit.

Well, that's possible, but that's why we need to be vigilant and hold
Congress accountable for what they do.

How is that working out so far. I saw a projection today, using
Obama's numbers that the interest on the debt will be $900 billion in
a few years. That assumes interest rates are stable. Indications are
they will go up sharply was world liquidity drops.

It's a bit early to tell how things will ultimately shake out, but
spending in general and the HC legislation HAD to happen or we'd be in
much worse shape, certainly going forward. There are no "indications" that
interest rates will go up sharply... what liquidity? The money supply is
stable.


You be sure to let us know if things take a sudden turn for the worse.

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On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 10:46:10 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

That is what scares me. This might be a framework for a real health
care plan but, more likely, it will just be a huge pork barrel where
they keep adding on to it until it becomes another bloated government
money pit.

Well, that's possible, but that's why we need to be vigilant and hold
Congress accountable for what they do.

How is that working out so far. I saw a projection today, using
Obama's numbers that the interest on the debt will be $900 billion in
a few years. That assumes interest rates are stable. Indications are
they will go up sharply was world liquidity drops.

It's a bit early to tell how things will ultimately shake out, but
spending in general and the HC legislation HAD to happen or we'd be in
much worse shape, certainly going forward. There are no "indications"
that interest rates will go up sharply... what liquidity? The money
supply is stable.


You be sure to let us know if things take a sudden turn for the worse.


There's a signpost up ahead - your next stop, the Twilight Zone! (No, not
the Twilight movie.)

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On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 14:21:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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I saw a projection today, using
Obama's numbers that the interest on the debt will be $900 billion in
a few years. That assumes interest rates are stable. Indications are
they will go up sharply was world liquidity drops.

It's a bit early to tell how things will ultimately shake out, but
spending
in general and the HC legislation HAD to happen or we'd be in much worse
shape, certainly going forward. There are no "indications" that interest
rates will go up sharply... what liquidity? The money supply is stable.

We still do not know how this Euro thing is going to work out. Bear in
mind, more than half of our foreign owned debt is from European
sources. If they lose the ability to buy our paper, that paper will be
harder to sell, hence the auction will be higher

I think that's at least a plausible argument. I think the European Union is
here to stay, but it might scale back.

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On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 18:08:06 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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We still do not know how this Euro thing is going to work out. Bear in
mind, more than half of our foreign owned debt is from European
sources. If they lose the ability to buy our paper, that paper will be
harder to sell, hence the auction will be higher

I think that's at least a plausible argument. I think the European Union
is
here to stay, but it might scale back.


It really depends on if the Greeks will accept reforms that will suit
the Germans (basically scaling back their lifestyle). If that part
fails, the rest is in jeopardy. If the Germans and Brits pulled out of
the EU, it would fall apart.

I think they will accept them... every indication they will. Were the Brits
ever really part of the EU?

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On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 11:19:03 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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It really depends on if the Greeks will accept reforms that will suit
the Germans (basically scaling back their lifestyle). If that part
fails, the rest is in jeopardy. If the Germans and Brits pulled out of
the EU, it would fall apart.

I think they will accept them... every indication they will. Were the
Brits
ever really part of the EU?


They are part of the EU, they just have not adopted the Euro.

I was, ummm... joking.