On Jun 8, 5:45*pm, Canuck57 wrote:
On 08/06/2010 2:03 PM, jps wrote:



On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:12:28 -0400, Wayne.B
*wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:45:46 -0700,
wrote:

I'd be interested to hear what those who've made major purchases, such as
for a boat, have done (or not done) along these lines. Did you pretty much
go all in or did you do something similar?

The strategy of buying less than you can afford works well because
everyone always under estimates the cost of essential upgrades and
maintenance. *It is important to try and estimate the upgrades and
maintenance as closely as possible and then double that number.

It is also important to try and nail down your ongoing expenses for
storage, both in and out of the water, and insurance. *Insurance costs
vary by location, length of season, cruising range, and quality of
policy. *There are big differences in policies, not always readily
apparent until you scrutinize the fine print.

The most expensive thing of all is buying the wrong boat, or buying it
with the wrong people. * That may sound obvious but it happens all the
time. * Have all of you spent a lot of time together on a boat before?
If not, I'd highly recommend chartering a boat similar to what you
want for two weeks and sail it somewhere. *You'll learn a lot about
the boat, the people, and whether or not you really like the life
style.

Good advice. *I'd think about exactly how you're going to use the boat
and how many are likely to on board rather than deciding on a boat
based on the collective budget and affordability.

Which also gets down to why I rent. *Until I know where I will park my
butt for a long time, I rent. *Some real small lakes, 16 aluminium, but
others like Michigan a twin diesel 30' is nice.

If you end up spending as much as you can afford but the boat only
sees two to four passengers on most trips, it's a big waste of $ to
purchase a 45+ ft boat. *Although it may offer space, it's more to
keep up and more work to sail.

Agreed, plus you would have to be Bill Gates to own something like
below, awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddDjD...eature=related

But I am not crooked enough... *Would make more room for the staff, they
would all be chicks.
--
Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS.

I am simply tired of paying liberals debts yet here we have one who
will probably default and make the rest of us pay for it. Nom will no
doubt castigate those awful bankers and then if he/she gets laid off
will make the rest of us pay the debt.

On 08/06/2010 2:39 PM, Jim wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
After much discussion by the four of us, we've concluded that we're
pretty much there, as far as being able to afford something in the
$300K range. The basic philosophy we're using (and have used
individually and collectively for most big purchases) has been to save
for twice the expected cost. This has the effect of allowing us some
wiggle room with purchase prices in general, not feeling like we're
cash broke after a major purchase (e.g., with our two mortgages, we
can afford twice the current monthly payment), it gives us the ability
to incur after-sale expenses (oh, yeah, I guess a sailboat does need a
mast), and extends the time before one or more of us needs to
seriously get back to work. (Two of us will be standing down from
active work for the better part of 1-2 years, the other two will head
back into the grinder in less than a year.)

I'd be interested to hear what those who've made major purchases, such
as for a boat, have done (or not done) along these lines. Did you
pretty much go all in or did you do something similar?


You're nuts if you think you can get any good advice on high-priced
sailboats from the assholes here.
Except for Wayne, none know squat about that, and he's a stinkpotter now
and out of the loop.
Try internet sailboat forums.
Just come here to talk powerboats or to take a dump.

Jim - Holding my nose while here.

Which if de-plume wasn't pulling your legs, she/it would not be here.
Think about it, 7x24x10 weeks now non-stop. It has a boat, it is likely
the S.S. Minnow movie set prop on a keychain.

--
Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS.

On Jun 8, 5:45*pm, Canuck57 wrote:
On 08/06/2010 2:03 PM, jps wrote:



On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:12:28 -0400, Wayne.B
*wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:45:46 -0700,
wrote:

I'd be interested to hear what those who've made major purchases, such as
for a boat, have done (or not done) along these lines. Did you pretty much
go all in or did you do something similar?

The strategy of buying less than you can afford works well because
everyone always under estimates the cost of essential upgrades and
maintenance. *It is important to try and estimate the upgrades and
maintenance as closely as possible and then double that number.

It is also important to try and nail down your ongoing expenses for
storage, both in and out of the water, and insurance. *Insurance costs
vary by location, length of season, cruising range, and quality of
policy. *There are big differences in policies, not always readily
apparent until you scrutinize the fine print.

The most expensive thing of all is buying the wrong boat, or buying it
with the wrong people. * That may sound obvious but it happens all the
time. * Have all of you spent a lot of time together on a boat before?
If not, I'd highly recommend chartering a boat similar to what you
want for two weeks and sail it somewhere. *You'll learn a lot about
the boat, the people, and whether or not you really like the life
style.

Good advice. *I'd think about exactly how you're going to use the boat
and how many are likely to on board rather than deciding on a boat
based on the collective budget and affordability.

Which also gets down to why I rent. *Until I know where I will park my
butt for a long time, I rent. *Some real small lakes, 16 aluminium, but
others like Michigan a twin diesel 30' is nice.

If you end up spending as much as you can afford but the boat only
sees two to four passengers on most trips, it's a big waste of $ to
purchase a 45+ ft boat. *Although it may offer space, it's more to
keep up and more work to sail.

Agreed, plus you would have to be Bill Gates to own something like
below, awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddDjD...eature=related

But I am not crooked enough... *Would make more room for the staff, they
would all be chicks.
--
Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS.

NOW, about boats. It is well known among sailors that the bigger the
boat, the less it is sailed. Big boats tend to be marina queens.
My preference is for a Yanmar diesel because parts will not cost an
arm and leg.

On Jun 8, 6:48*pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch





wrote:
On Jun 8, 6:05 pm, Jeddadiah Smith wrote:
On 6/8/2010 3:55 PM, jps wrote:

You sound like an asshole.

I am, brother.

I do see a substantial bit of hypocrisy here from someone who is a
liberal but somehow has enough to spend $100K on a sailboat while
having a luxury car and two mortgages.Seems that somebody is making
too much money according to Obama. *Most attorneys are dems because
the dems never favor tort reform. *Basically attorneys are taking
money out of the pockets of the poor and giving it to the rich.

Having gotten that rant out of my system I will not discuss it more
but will stick to discussing the sailboat. *Big mono-hulls are a poor
investment but a catamaran depreciates slower. *You will also have
more places to keep her in shallow water. *I believe that integrated
over time that a catamaran is safer than a mono because it allows you
to get into shallow water thru questionable inlets *or into shallow
anchorages that are well protected during storms.

It's so damned funny to watch you "conservatives" squirm when you find
out a liberal can be well founded and still speak on behalf of those
who haven't a voice.

We don't bitch about paying our fair share. *There's still plenty left
over to live, sometimes even comfortably.

Limousine liberals don't bitch about paying their fair share... they
just don't pay it, period. The rest of the liberal voting base has
their hand out, as they don't pay *any* taxes. They wait on the limo
libs to give them a hand-out paid for by, of course, the working
class.

It's no secret.

On 08/06/2010 6:50 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 8, 5:45 pm, wrote:
On 08/06/2010 2:03 PM, jps wrote:



On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:12:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:45:46 -0700,
wrote:

I'd be interested to hear what those who've made major purchases, such as
for a boat, have done (or not done) along these lines. Did you pretty much
go all in or did you do something similar?

The strategy of buying less than you can afford works well because
everyone always under estimates the cost of essential upgrades and
maintenance. It is important to try and estimate the upgrades and
maintenance as closely as possible and then double that number.

It is also important to try and nail down your ongoing expenses for
storage, both in and out of the water, and insurance. Insurance costs
vary by location, length of season, cruising range, and quality of
policy. There are big differences in policies, not always readily
apparent until you scrutinize the fine print.

The most expensive thing of all is buying the wrong boat, or buying it
with the wrong people. That may sound obvious but it happens all the
time. Have all of you spent a lot of time together on a boat before?
If not, I'd highly recommend chartering a boat similar to what you
want for two weeks and sail it somewhere. You'll learn a lot about
the boat, the people, and whether or not you really like the life
style.

Good advice. I'd think about exactly how you're going to use the boat
and how many are likely to on board rather than deciding on a boat
based on the collective budget and affordability.

Which also gets down to why I rent. Until I know where I will park my
butt for a long time, I rent. Some real small lakes, 16 aluminium, but
others like Michigan a twin diesel 30' is nice.

If you end up spending as much as you can afford but the boat only
sees two to four passengers on most trips, it's a big waste of $ to
purchase a 45+ ft boat. Although it may offer space, it's more to
keep up and more work to sail.

Agreed, plus you would have to be Bill Gates to own something like
below, awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddDjD...eature=related

But I am not crooked enough... Would make more room for the staff, they
would all be chicks.
--
Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS.

I am simply tired of paying liberals debts yet here we have one who
will probably default and make the rest of us pay for it. Nom will no
doubt castigate those awful bankers and then if he/she gets laid off
will make the rest of us pay the debt.

Given the posting times, plumer has no job and no boat. Might have a
pot to **** in but not much else.

Yep, one of these days she/it will be in here whining the blues...
hopeful they repo the computer too.

Until we can get presidents and leaders who repect the rights of workers
and our children enough to shake the paracites off the government hind.
Trouble is our current lot of politicians are paracites.

Obama's motto:

Killing future wealth of our children for massive debt/greed of today.

--
Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS.

On 08/06/2010 6:53 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 8, 5:45 pm, wrote:
On 08/06/2010 2:03 PM, jps wrote:



On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:12:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:45:46 -0700,
wrote:

I'd be interested to hear what those who've made major purchases, such as
for a boat, have done (or not done) along these lines. Did you pretty much
go all in or did you do something similar?

The strategy of buying less than you can afford works well because
everyone always under estimates the cost of essential upgrades and
maintenance. It is important to try and estimate the upgrades and
maintenance as closely as possible and then double that number.

It is also important to try and nail down your ongoing expenses for
storage, both in and out of the water, and insurance. Insurance costs
vary by location, length of season, cruising range, and quality of
policy. There are big differences in policies, not always readily
apparent until you scrutinize the fine print.

The most expensive thing of all is buying the wrong boat, or buying it
with the wrong people. That may sound obvious but it happens all the
time. Have all of you spent a lot of time together on a boat before?
If not, I'd highly recommend chartering a boat similar to what you
want for two weeks and sail it somewhere. You'll learn a lot about
the boat, the people, and whether or not you really like the life
style.

Good advice. I'd think about exactly how you're going to use the boat
and how many are likely to on board rather than deciding on a boat
based on the collective budget and affordability.

Which also gets down to why I rent. Until I know where I will park my
butt for a long time, I rent. Some real small lakes, 16 aluminium, but
others like Michigan a twin diesel 30' is nice.

If you end up spending as much as you can afford but the boat only
sees two to four passengers on most trips, it's a big waste of $ to
purchase a 45+ ft boat. Although it may offer space, it's more to
keep up and more work to sail.

Agreed, plus you would have to be Bill Gates to own something like
below, awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddDjD...eature=related

But I am not crooked enough... Would make more room for the staff, they
would all be chicks.
--
Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS.

NOW, about boats. It is well known among sailors that the bigger the
boat, the less it is sailed. Big boats tend to be marina queens.
My preference is for a Yanmar diesel because parts will not cost an
arm and leg.

Ya, but would it not be nice to have a huge one, live on it year in and
out. Say 3000 sq ft of living space? Go to Scotland for Scotch in the
summer, down to Agentina in the winter for wine. Stay clear of Africa
unless you want to man the guns and do some target practice.

--
Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS.

NOW, about boats. It is well known among sailors that the bigger the
boat, the less it is sailed. Big boats tend to be marina queens.


There's a local guy around here that has loads of dough that he's
gained by rather undisclosed means that has an 85' "something" sitting
docked at Ky. Lake. Every fall he fires it up and ICW's his way to
Florida where it sits all winter and he flies back. then in the
spring, he fires it back up and moves it back to Kentucky lake and int
he fall he repeats the process.

And that's about it.

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2010 5:05 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Jun 8, 6:05 pm, Jeddadiah Smith wrote:
On 6/8/2010 3:55 PM, jps wrote:

You sound like an asshole.

I am, brother.

I do see a substantial bit of hypocrisy here from someone who is a
liberal but somehow has enough to spend $100K on a sailboat while
having a luxury car and two mortgages.Seems that somebody is making
too much money according to Obama. Most attorneys are dems because
the dems never favor tort reform. Basically attorneys are taking
money out of the pockets of the poor and giving it to the rich.

Having gotten that rant out of my system I will not discuss it more
but will stick to discussing the sailboat. Big mono-hulls are a poor
investment but a catamaran depreciates slower. You will also have
more places to keep her in shallow water. I believe that integrated
over time that a catamaran is safer than a mono because it allows you
to get into shallow water thru questionable inlets or into shallow
anchorages that are well protected during storms.

It's so damned funny to watch you "conservatives" squirm when you find
out a liberal can be well founded and still speak on behalf of those
who haven't a voice.

We don't bitch about paying our fair share. There's still plenty left
over to live, sometimes even comfortably.

Yeah, I've never heard of any rightwing nuts who are attorneys. I don't
think they actually exist. Froggie is an idiot.


And you, are full of it.
--
Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS.

And, you are an idiot also. Sorry if I left you out.

"Jack" wrote in message
...
On Jun 8, 6:48 pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch





wrote:
On Jun 8, 6:05 pm, Jeddadiah Smith wrote:
On 6/8/2010 3:55 PM, jps wrote:

You sound like an asshole.

I am, brother.

I do see a substantial bit of hypocrisy here from someone who is a
liberal but somehow has enough to spend $100K on a sailboat while
having a luxury car and two mortgages.Seems that somebody is making
too much money according to Obama. Most attorneys are dems because
the dems never favor tort reform. Basically attorneys are taking
money out of the pockets of the poor and giving it to the rich.

Having gotten that rant out of my system I will not discuss it more
but will stick to discussing the sailboat. Big mono-hulls are a poor
investment but a catamaran depreciates slower. You will also have
more places to keep her in shallow water. I believe that integrated
over time that a catamaran is safer than a mono because it allows you
to get into shallow water thru questionable inlets or into shallow
anchorages that are well protected during storms.

It's so damned funny to watch you "conservatives" squirm when you find
out a liberal can be well founded and still speak on behalf of those
who haven't a voice.

We don't bitch about paying our fair share. There's still plenty left
over to live, sometimes even comfortably.

Limousine liberals don't bitch about paying their fair share... they
just don't pay it, period. The rest of the liberal voting base has
their hand out, as they don't pay *any* taxes. They wait on the limo
libs to give them a hand-out paid for by, of course, the working
class.

It's no secret.

Well, which one am I? I think you've got some reality issues. I suppose
you're going to claim that rightwing nuts want to pay for their fair share?

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 08/06/2010 5:04 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
On Jun 8, 6:05 pm, Jeddadiah Smith wrote:
On 6/8/2010 3:55 PM, jps wrote:

You sound like an asshole.

I am, brother.

I do see a substantial bit of hypocrisy here from someone who is a
liberal but somehow has enough to spend $100K on a sailboat while
having a luxury car and two mortgages.Seems that somebody is making
too much money according to Obama. Most attorneys are dems because
the dems never favor tort reform. Basically attorneys are taking
money out of the pockets of the poor and giving it to the rich.

Having gotten that rant out of my system I will not discuss it more
but will stick to discussing the sailboat. Big mono-hulls are a poor
investment but a catamaran depreciates slower. You will also have
more places to keep her in shallow water. I believe that integrated
over time that a catamaran is safer than a mono because it allows you
to get into shallow water thru questionable inlets or into shallow
anchorages that are well protected during storms.

?? It's $300K while having a luxury car (2001) and one mortgage.

Sounds like you're very angry. Too bad. You should take a pill or
something.

Basically, you're unwilling to give up your political rant no matter
what. Then, you claim you're only going to talk about on-topic stuff. I
think you're just a fool. Sorry if that ****es you off. Honestly, it's
really a turnoff, mainly because it's impossible to have a rational
discussion with someone who is so filled with loathing.

My guess for you, unemployed and skint. Nothing for anybody else to be
****ed of except for yourself at yourself.

--
Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS.

skint? What's that? Let me guess, it's what you try and date when you're
horny, but they charge too much.