On Jun 8, 5:45*pm, Canuck57 wrote:
On 08/06/2010 2:03 PM, jps wrote:



On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:12:28 -0400, Wayne.B
*wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:45:46 -0700,
wrote:

I'd be interested to hear what those who've made major purchases, such as
for a boat, have done (or not done) along these lines. Did you pretty much
go all in or did you do something similar?

The strategy of buying less than you can afford works well because
everyone always under estimates the cost of essential upgrades and
maintenance. *It is important to try and estimate the upgrades and
maintenance as closely as possible and then double that number.

It is also important to try and nail down your ongoing expenses for
storage, both in and out of the water, and insurance. *Insurance costs
vary by location, length of season, cruising range, and quality of
policy. *There are big differences in policies, not always readily
apparent until you scrutinize the fine print.

The most expensive thing of all is buying the wrong boat, or buying it
with the wrong people. * That may sound obvious but it happens all the
time. * Have all of you spent a lot of time together on a boat before?
If not, I'd highly recommend chartering a boat similar to what you
want for two weeks and sail it somewhere. *You'll learn a lot about
the boat, the people, and whether or not you really like the life
style.

Good advice. *I'd think about exactly how you're going to use the boat
and how many are likely to on board rather than deciding on a boat
based on the collective budget and affordability.

Which also gets down to why I rent. *Until I know where I will park my
butt for a long time, I rent. *Some real small lakes, 16 aluminium, but
others like Michigan a twin diesel 30' is nice.

If you end up spending as much as you can afford but the boat only
sees two to four passengers on most trips, it's a big waste of $ to
purchase a 45+ ft boat. *Although it may offer space, it's more to
keep up and more work to sail.

Agreed, plus you would have to be Bill Gates to own something like
below, awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddDjD...eature=related

But I am not crooked enough... *Would make more room for the staff, they
would all be chicks.
--
Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS.

NOW, about boats. It is well known among sailors that the bigger the
boat, the less it is sailed. Big boats tend to be marina queens.
My preference is for a Yanmar diesel because parts will not cost an
arm and leg.

On 08/06/2010 6:53 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 8, 5:45 pm, wrote:
On 08/06/2010 2:03 PM, jps wrote:



On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:12:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:45:46 -0700,
wrote:

I'd be interested to hear what those who've made major purchases, such as
for a boat, have done (or not done) along these lines. Did you pretty much
go all in or did you do something similar?

The strategy of buying less than you can afford works well because
everyone always under estimates the cost of essential upgrades and
maintenance. It is important to try and estimate the upgrades and
maintenance as closely as possible and then double that number.

It is also important to try and nail down your ongoing expenses for
storage, both in and out of the water, and insurance. Insurance costs
vary by location, length of season, cruising range, and quality of
policy. There are big differences in policies, not always readily
apparent until you scrutinize the fine print.

The most expensive thing of all is buying the wrong boat, or buying it
with the wrong people. That may sound obvious but it happens all the
time. Have all of you spent a lot of time together on a boat before?
If not, I'd highly recommend chartering a boat similar to what you
want for two weeks and sail it somewhere. You'll learn a lot about
the boat, the people, and whether or not you really like the life
style.

Good advice. I'd think about exactly how you're going to use the boat
and how many are likely to on board rather than deciding on a boat
based on the collective budget and affordability.

Which also gets down to why I rent. Until I know where I will park my
butt for a long time, I rent. Some real small lakes, 16 aluminium, but
others like Michigan a twin diesel 30' is nice.

If you end up spending as much as you can afford but the boat only
sees two to four passengers on most trips, it's a big waste of $ to
purchase a 45+ ft boat. Although it may offer space, it's more to
keep up and more work to sail.

Agreed, plus you would have to be Bill Gates to own something like
below, awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddDjD...eature=related

But I am not crooked enough... Would make more room for the staff, they
would all be chicks.
--
Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS.

NOW, about boats. It is well known among sailors that the bigger the
boat, the less it is sailed. Big boats tend to be marina queens.
My preference is for a Yanmar diesel because parts will not cost an
arm and leg.

Ya, but would it not be nice to have a huge one, live on it year in and
out. Say 3000 sq ft of living space? Go to Scotland for Scotch in the
summer, down to Agentina in the winter for wine. Stay clear of Africa
unless you want to man the guns and do some target practice.

--
Liberalism - a disease of envy, greed, entitlement and KAOS.

NOW, about boats. It is well known among sailors that the bigger the
boat, the less it is sailed. Big boats tend to be marina queens.


There's a local guy around here that has loads of dough that he's
gained by rather undisclosed means that has an 85' "something" sitting
docked at Ky. Lake. Every fall he fires it up and ICW's his way to
Florida where it sits all winter and he flies back. then in the
spring, he fires it back up and moves it back to Kentucky lake and int
he fall he repeats the process.

And that's about it.

"Tim" wrote in message
...
NOW, about boats. It is well known among sailors that the bigger the
boat, the less it is sailed. Big boats tend to be marina queens.


There's a local guy around here that has loads of dough that he's
gained by rather undisclosed means that has an 85' "something" sitting
docked at Ky. Lake. Every fall he fires it up and ICW's his way to
Florida where it sits all winter and he flies back. then in the
spring, he fires it back up and moves it back to Kentucky lake and int
he fall he repeats the process.

And that's about it.

So, Tim. Given that I started a thread about boats and it was polluted by
right-wing bs, I don't see you having much to say about how these two bozos
are off topic. Yet, when someone on the left makes a political statement,
you get bent out of shape. Why is that?

On Jun 8, 11:29*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...

NOW, about boats. *It is well known among sailors that the bigger the
boat, the less it is sailed. *Big boats tend to be marina queens.

There's a local guy around here that has loads of dough that he's
gained by rather undisclosed means that has an 85' "something" sitting
docked at Ky. Lake. Every fall he fires it up and ICW's his way to
Florida where it sits all winter and he flies back. then in the
spring, he fires it back up and moves it back to Kentucky lake and int
he fall he repeats the process.

And that's about it.

So, Tim. Given that I started a thread about boats and it was polluted by
right-wing bs, I don't see you having much to say about how these two bozos
are off topic. Yet, when someone on the left makes a political statement,
you get bent out of shape. Why is that?

I can't keep up.

On Jun 8, 11:29*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...

NOW, about boats. *It is well known among sailors that the bigger the
boat, the less it is sailed. *Big boats tend to be marina queens.

There's a local guy around here that has loads of dough that he's
gained by rather undisclosed means that has an 85' "something" sitting
docked at Ky. Lake. Every fall he fires it up and ICW's his way to
Florida where it sits all winter and he flies back. then in the
spring, he fires it back up and moves it back to Kentucky lake and int
he fall he repeats the process.

And that's about it.

So, Tim. Given that I started a thread about boats and it was polluted by
right-wing bs, I don't see you having much to say about how these two bozos
are off topic. Yet, when someone on the left makes a political statement,
you get bent out of shape. Why is that?

Why is what? I'm no net cop, and I never call anyone an 'idiot' but
seeing that you mentioned it, Canuck threw a good boating thread
making it political recently and I reacted to his post wishing to keep
it about boating. Not thread OP's but which do you respond to, more
boating or political posts.

"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Jun 8, 11:29 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...

NOW, about boats. It is well known among sailors that the bigger the
boat, the less it is sailed. Big boats tend to be marina queens.

There's a local guy around here that has loads of dough that he's
gained by rather undisclosed means that has an 85' "something" sitting
docked at Ky. Lake. Every fall he fires it up and ICW's his way to
Florida where it sits all winter and he flies back. then in the
spring, he fires it back up and moves it back to Kentucky lake and int
he fall he repeats the process.

And that's about it.

So, Tim. Given that I started a thread about boats and it was polluted by
right-wing bs, I don't see you having much to say about how these two
bozos
are off topic. Yet, when someone on the left makes a political statement,
you get bent out of shape. Why is that?

Why is what? I'm no net cop, and I never call anyone an 'idiot' but
seeing that you mentioned it, Canuck threw a good boating thread
making it political recently and I reacted to his post wishing to keep
it about boating. Not thread OP's but which do you respond to, more
boating or political posts.

Probably political posts, mostly because I don't like it when others post
total crap and expect people to take it without retort.

On 6/9/2010 12:29 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Tim" wrote in message
...
NOW, about boats. It is well known among sailors that the bigger the
boat, the less it is sailed. Big boats tend to be marina queens.


There's a local guy around here that has loads of dough that he's
gained by rather undisclosed means that has an 85' "something" sitting
docked at Ky. Lake. Every fall he fires it up and ICW's his way to
Florida where it sits all winter and he flies back. then in the
spring, he fires it back up and moves it back to Kentucky lake and int
he fall he repeats the process.

And that's about it.

So, Tim. Given that I started a thread about boats and it was polluted
by right-wing bs, I don't see you having much to say about how these two
bozos are off topic. Yet, when someone on the left makes a political
statement, you get bent out of shape. Why is that?


It might just be something else besides your politics. The fact that you
are a snotty bitch might be part of it. And there is the asshole
characteristic, and etc. etc. etc.

On Jun 9, 9:04*am, Jeddadiah Smith wrote:
On 6/9/2010 12:29 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:





"Tim" wrote in message
....
NOW, about boats. It is well known among sailors that the bigger the
boat, the less it is sailed. Big boats tend to be marina queens.

There's a local guy around here that has loads of dough that he's
gained by rather undisclosed means that has an 85' "something" sitting
docked at Ky. Lake. Every fall he fires it up and ICW's his way to
Florida where it sits all winter and he flies back. then in the
spring, he fires it back up and moves it back to Kentucky lake and int
he fall he repeats the process.

And that's about it.

So, Tim. Given that I started a thread about boats and it was polluted
by right-wing bs, I don't see you having much to say about how these two
bozos are off topic. Yet, when someone on the left makes a political
statement, you get bent out of shape. Why is that?

It might just be something else besides your politics. The fact that you
are a snotty bitch might be part of it. And there is the asshole
characteristic, and etc. etc. etc.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You guys still think Harrys' sister is buying a sailboat? HA! Some
folks never learn. She is full of ****, just like her tenant in the
basement...

"JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote in message
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On Jun 9, 9:04 am, Jeddadiah Smith wrote:
On 6/9/2010 12:29 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:





"Tim" wrote in message
...
NOW, about boats. It is well known among sailors that the bigger the
boat, the less it is sailed. Big boats tend to be marina queens.

There's a local guy around here that has loads of dough that he's
gained by rather undisclosed means that has an 85' "something" sitting
docked at Ky. Lake. Every fall he fires it up and ICW's his way to
Florida where it sits all winter and he flies back. then in the
spring, he fires it back up and moves it back to Kentucky lake and int
he fall he repeats the process.

And that's about it.

So, Tim. Given that I started a thread about boats and it was polluted
by right-wing bs, I don't see you having much to say about how these
two
bozos are off topic. Yet, when someone on the left makes a political
statement, you get bent out of shape. Why is that?

It might just be something else besides your politics. The fact that you
are a snotty bitch might be part of it. And there is the asshole
characteristic, and etc. etc. etc.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You guys still think Harrys' sister is buying a sailboat? HA! Some
folks never learn. She is full of ****, just like her tenant in the
basement...


You still claim to think? HA!