On 5/24/2010 11:09 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 18:05:10 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2010 18:04:32 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2010 12:42:39 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

So, I guess you can't read... "over the past 20 years" is quite telling. Who
were former oil men? Bush/Cheney.



If Bush had left BP in charge of this cluster**** for over a month
without any meaningful federal response the left would be losing their
mind.
James Carville, not exactly a GOP cheerleader, is one of the most
vocal critics of the lack of federal action and lack of pressure on
BP. He wants to know why we still trust BP to manage this problem.

as thad allen said today, who else has the expertise? what else would
be done?


Maybe another driller? The point is the feds have just stood back and
taken what BP says as gospel. People like Woods Hole have a lot more
underwater expertise and better vehicles. There may also be other
companies that could bring a lot more to bear on this.
It took almost a month to get decent pictures of the blowout.
I know they tried a small top hat, why not a huge one? Something like
a several hundred ton concrete containment vessel that will not be
floated up with a little ice and gas. Attach a pipe to that and pump
that out to hold it tight on the bottom. Then bury the whole mess with
another several thousand yards of fill dirt. The oil they pumped up
from that would be ready for the refinery.


so far no one has come up with better ideas.

It seems the only people who are allowed to have ideas are the BP
morons who caused the problem in the first place.

the real fault was drilling in areas we could not control.

That and a few major errors that violated the BP protocols.
They broke the BOP and ignored it. Then they violated protocol by not
plugging the well with mud when they were supposed to. This wasn't a
drilling failure it was a criminal act.

BTW
36 days ago Obama was still in favor of this kind of drilling, much to
the dismay of his new BFF, Charlie Crist..
I wonder of Opie had thought of asking NASA to look into the problem.

"moose" wrote in message
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On 5/24/2010 11:09 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 18:05:10 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2010 18:04:32 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2010 12:42:39 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

So, I guess you can't read... "over the past 20 years" is quite
telling. Who
were former oil men? Bush/Cheney.



If Bush had left BP in charge of this cluster**** for over a month
without any meaningful federal response the left would be losing their
mind.
James Carville, not exactly a GOP cheerleader, is one of the most
vocal critics of the lack of federal action and lack of pressure on
BP. He wants to know why we still trust BP to manage this problem.

as thad allen said today, who else has the expertise? what else would
be done?


Maybe another driller? The point is the feds have just stood back and
taken what BP says as gospel. People like Woods Hole have a lot more
underwater expertise and better vehicles. There may also be other
companies that could bring a lot more to bear on this.
It took almost a month to get decent pictures of the blowout.
I know they tried a small top hat, why not a huge one? Something like
a several hundred ton concrete containment vessel that will not be
floated up with a little ice and gas. Attach a pipe to that and pump
that out to hold it tight on the bottom. Then bury the whole mess with
another several thousand yards of fill dirt. The oil they pumped up
from that would be ready for the refinery.


so far no one has come up with better ideas.

It seems the only people who are allowed to have ideas are the BP
morons who caused the problem in the first place.

the real fault was drilling in areas we could not control.

That and a few major errors that violated the BP protocols.
They broke the BOP and ignored it. Then they violated protocol by not
plugging the well with mud when they were supposed to. This wasn't a
drilling failure it was a criminal act.

BTW
36 days ago Obama was still in favor of this kind of drilling, much to
the dismay of his new BFF, Charlie Crist..
I wonder of Opie had thought of asking NASA to look into the problem.

Take your racist man-child viewpoint elsewhere. The adults are talking.

On Tue, 25 May 2010 11:27:39 -0400, gfretwell wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 06:42:23 -0400, moose wrote:

I wonder of Opie had thought of asking NASA to look into the problem.

I doubt NASA has much to offer but the Navy and perhaps the CIA might
have some deep water capability they could bring to the party. What ever
happened to the Glomar Explorer? That had the heavy lift capacity to
deliver a dome that would not float up. It picked up a flooded Soviet
sub.

You sure that's a good idea? Transocean is operating that as a drilling
rig.

On 5/25/10 11:44 AM, thunder wrote:
On Tue, 25 May 2010 11:27:39 -0400, gfretwell wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 06:42:23 -0400, wrote:

I wonder of Opie had thought of asking NASA to look into the problem.

I doubt NASA has much to offer but the Navy and perhaps the CIA might
have some deep water capability they could bring to the party. What ever
happened to the Glomar Explorer? That had the heavy lift capacity to
deliver a dome that would not float up. It picked up a flooded Soviet
sub.

You sure that's a good idea? Transocean is operating that as a drilling
rig.


What has become apparent is our dependency on the private sector to
clean up its messes. That dependency is not working out for us. Perhaps
we need to develop federal government operational capabilities in the
fields of drilling, operating, and cleaning up after the inevitable
messes connected with oil drilling, and not a contracted out capability.

I find it interesting that so much of our economy that is almost
entirely run by the private sector simply does not work: health care,
resource exploitation (oil, gas, coal), maufacturing.


--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

On Tue, 25 May 2010 11:51:04 -0400, hk wrote:


What has become apparent is our dependency on the private sector to
clean up its messes. That dependency is not working out for us. Perhaps
we need to develop federal government operational capabilities in the
fields of drilling, operating, and cleaning up after the inevitable
messes connected with oil drilling, and not a contracted out capability.

You know, government has already done their part. The MMS gave BP a pass
on the environmental disaster plan. Frankly, I don't expect this to stop
until the relief wells conclude. BP is drilling two relief wells. I
heard recently, one is at 10,000' and the other at 8,500'. Relief wells
are proven. This other stuff is just wishful thinking, IMO.

On 5/25/10 12:12 PM, thunder wrote:
On Tue, 25 May 2010 11:51:04 -0400, hk wrote:


What has become apparent is our dependency on the private sector to
clean up its messes. That dependency is not working out for us. Perhaps
we need to develop federal government operational capabilities in the
fields of drilling, operating, and cleaning up after the inevitable
messes connected with oil drilling, and not a contracted out capability.

You know, government has already done their part. The MMS gave BP a pass
on the environmental disaster plan. Frankly, I don't expect this to stop
until the relief wells conclude. BP is drilling two relief wells. I
heard recently, one is at 10,000' and the other at 8,500'. Relief wells
are proven. This other stuff is just wishful thinking, IMO.


I'm thinking of future well disasters. I think it is folly to depend
upon the oil industry for the answers.

--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

On Tue, 25 May 2010 12:19:06 -0400, hk wrote:


I'm thinking of future well disasters. I think it is folly to depend
upon the oil industry for the answers.

Maybe some sort of industry consortium to study effective ways to combat
spills? There are very few people that have the knowledge or expertise
to combat blowouts, especially a mile down. Red Adair is dead. ;-(

This should never have happened. BP was stepping over dollars to pick up
nickels. Spank them hard, and send a message.

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On Tue, 25 May 2010 12:19:06 -0400, hk wrote:


I'm thinking of future well disasters. I think it is folly to depend
upon the oil industry for the answers.

Maybe some sort of industry consortium to study effective ways to combat
spills? There are very few people that have the knowledge or expertise
to combat blowouts, especially a mile down. Red Adair is dead. ;-(

This should never have happened. BP was stepping over dollars to pick up
nickels. Spank them hard, and send a message.

I certainly agree. I don't think this should be a gov't effort. It just
needs _good_ gov't oversight.

On Tue, 25 May 2010 11:32:51 -0500, thunder wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2010 12:19:06 -0400, hk wrote:


I'm thinking of future well disasters. I think it is folly to depend
upon the oil industry for the answers.

Maybe some sort of industry consortium to study effective ways to combat
spills? There are very few people that have the knowledge or expertise
to combat blowouts, especially a mile down. Red Adair is dead. ;-(

This should never have happened. BP was stepping over dollars to pick up
nickels. Spank them hard, and send a message.

Spank the Obama administration for accepting their bribes and doing nothing.
--
John H

"When I die, bury me at WalMart so Harry will visit me."

On 5/25/2010 11:27 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 May 2010 06:42:23 -0400, wrote:

I wonder of Opie had thought of asking NASA to look into the problem.

I doubt NASA has much to offer but the Navy and perhaps the CIA might
have some deep water capability they could bring to the party.
What ever happened to the Glomar Explorer? That had the heavy lift
capacity to deliver a dome that would not float up. It picked up a
flooded Soviet sub.

I thought of NASA because of their ability to solve unusual problems
quickly. But a solution might come from MIT or Stamford or General
Dynamics or any number of places. I'm only sure of one thing, When a
solution is found, Opie will be out in front taking his bows.