On Tue, 25 May 2010 12:19:06 -0400, hk wrote:


I'm thinking of future well disasters. I think it is folly to depend
upon the oil industry for the answers.

Maybe some sort of industry consortium to study effective ways to combat
spills? There are very few people that have the knowledge or expertise
to combat blowouts, especially a mile down. Red Adair is dead. ;-(

This should never have happened. BP was stepping over dollars to pick up
nickels. Spank them hard, and send a message.

"hk" wrote in message
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On 5/25/10 12:23 PM, moose wrote:
On 5/25/2010 11:27 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 May 2010 06:42:23 -0400, wrote:

I wonder of Opie had thought of asking NASA to look into the problem.

I doubt NASA has much to offer but the Navy and perhaps the CIA might
have some deep water capability they could bring to the party.
What ever happened to the Glomar Explorer? That had the heavy lift
capacity to deliver a dome that would not float up. It picked up a
flooded Soviet sub.

I thought of NASA because of their ability to solve unusual problems
quickly. But a solution might come from MIT or Stamford or General
Dynamics or any number of places. I'm only sure of one thing, When a
solution is found, Opie will be out in front taking his bows.


You know, with your skill set, you should be out at the Gulf, oil mop and
bucket in hand. You could wear your old sailor's hat.


~~ Snerk ~~
I envision an old, out of shape, Popeye the Sailorman trying to swab the
tide back.

"John H" wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 May 2010 16:58:43 -0400, John smith wrote:

On 5/24/2010 3:42 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 May 2010 15:16:50 -0400, moose wrote:

On 5/24/2010 1:02 PM, hk wrote:
On 5/24/10 12:50 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 24/05/2010 8:46 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
On May 24, 10:36 am, wrote:
Obviously, this oil spill has caused very little damage so far in
spite of being huge. IN relative terms, it's damage is far smaller
than a single weeks worth of tourism. So far, I am totally
unimpressed by any damage from the spill and I think this will
actually cause technology to be developed for spills that would be
problems.

Of course when you have a foreign oil company bribing the Obama
admin
to ignore normal requirements, bad things can happen. You play by
Chicago rules and the Gulf Coast gets hurt. Obama does not care
about
anybody in the south, he completely ignored the spill until the
media
jumped on it and then ignored Nashville compeltely.

Didn't big mouth Obama say just a few weeks earlier to the start of
the
spill that he wanted more oil drilling? Did he not open up new
tracts
for that purpose?

After all, DC is hungry for $$$ and developing ones own oil has a
fantastic tax return for DC greedy overspending democrats.



It's comical how the mindless right keeps trying to shift the blame
for
BP's screw-ups to the government.

Didn't the gubmint turn a blind eye to some safety violations on BP's
rigs? What's that all about? I smell a rat. A big greedy gubmint rat.

Absolutely. Obama's folks have been in bed with BP from the gitgo.

"BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal
candidates
over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to
Obama,
according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Donations come from a
mix of
employees and the company's political action committees - $2.89
million flowed
to campaigns from BP-related PACs and about $638,000 came from
individuals."

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64420A20100505

Of course, Reuters is just another right wing rag.
--
John H

"When I die, bury me at WalMart so Harry will visit me."

So, I guess you can't read... "over the past 20 years" is quite telling.
Who were former oil men? Bush/Cheney.


That was quite dishonest, assuming you can read. Here's more.

"over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to
Obama,"

Now that's what I call "quite telling". And Obama isn't even an oil
man................................yet.

As with most liberals, nincdeplume isn't known for her honesty. She's
attempting
to walk a mile in Harry's shoes.
--
John H

"When I die, bury me at WalMart so Harry will visit me."

You're attempting to crawl up Rush's butt, but I doubt even he can
accommodate you.

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On Mon, 24 May 2010 18:05:10 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2010 18:04:32 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2010 12:42:39 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

So, I guess you can't read... "over the past 20 years" is quite telling.
Who
were former oil men? Bush/Cheney.



If Bush had left BP in charge of this cluster**** for over a month
without any meaningful federal response the left would be losing their
mind.
James Carville, not exactly a GOP cheerleader, is one of the most
vocal critics of the lack of federal action and lack of pressure on
BP. He wants to know why we still trust BP to manage this problem.

as thad allen said today, who else has the expertise? what else would
be done?


Maybe another driller? The point is the feds have just stood back and
taken what BP says as gospel. People like Woods Hole have a lot more
underwater expertise and better vehicles. There may also be other
companies that could bring a lot more to bear on this.
It took almost a month to get decent pictures of the blowout.
I know they tried a small top hat, why not a huge one? Something like
a several hundred ton concrete containment vessel that will not be
floated up with a little ice and gas. Attach a pipe to that and pump
that out to hold it tight on the bottom. Then bury the whole mess with
another several thousand yards of fill dirt. The oil they pumped up
from that would be ready for the refinery.


so far no one has come up with better ideas.

It seems the only people who are allowed to have ideas are the BP
morons who caused the problem in the first place.

the real fault was drilling in areas we could not control.

That and a few major errors that violated the BP protocols.
They broke the BOP and ignored it. Then they violated protocol by not
plugging the well with mud when they were supposed to. This wasn't a
drilling failure it was a criminal act.

BTW
36 days ago Obama was still in favor of this kind of drilling, much to
the dismay of his new BFF, Charlie Crist..

A couple of things. I think the gov't was severely at fault over the last 30
years. Nothing much changed when Obama took office, although Salazar did
make minor improvements. Not enough, and I think he should go. I also think
Obama erred when it came to calling for more drilling, as getting us off
"foreign oil" has little to do with drilling off the coast... even he used
that rhetoric... the oil goes on the world market to the highest bidder. We
need to move to renewable sources and nuclear (problems though there may be
with the spent fuel). Good grief... if France can get 80% from nuclear, we
should be able to do 50%. It won't happen over night. We need to find ways
of cleaning up coal (production/mining and burning) between now and then.

"moose" wrote in message
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On 5/24/2010 11:09 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 18:05:10 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2010 18:04:32 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2010 12:42:39 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

So, I guess you can't read... "over the past 20 years" is quite
telling. Who
were former oil men? Bush/Cheney.



If Bush had left BP in charge of this cluster**** for over a month
without any meaningful federal response the left would be losing their
mind.
James Carville, not exactly a GOP cheerleader, is one of the most
vocal critics of the lack of federal action and lack of pressure on
BP. He wants to know why we still trust BP to manage this problem.

as thad allen said today, who else has the expertise? what else would
be done?


Maybe another driller? The point is the feds have just stood back and
taken what BP says as gospel. People like Woods Hole have a lot more
underwater expertise and better vehicles. There may also be other
companies that could bring a lot more to bear on this.
It took almost a month to get decent pictures of the blowout.
I know they tried a small top hat, why not a huge one? Something like
a several hundred ton concrete containment vessel that will not be
floated up with a little ice and gas. Attach a pipe to that and pump
that out to hold it tight on the bottom. Then bury the whole mess with
another several thousand yards of fill dirt. The oil they pumped up
from that would be ready for the refinery.


so far no one has come up with better ideas.

It seems the only people who are allowed to have ideas are the BP
morons who caused the problem in the first place.

the real fault was drilling in areas we could not control.

That and a few major errors that violated the BP protocols.
They broke the BOP and ignored it. Then they violated protocol by not
plugging the well with mud when they were supposed to. This wasn't a
drilling failure it was a criminal act.

BTW
36 days ago Obama was still in favor of this kind of drilling, much to
the dismay of his new BFF, Charlie Crist..
I wonder of Opie had thought of asking NASA to look into the problem.

Take your racist man-child viewpoint elsewhere. The adults are talking.

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On Tue, 25 May 2010 06:42:23 -0400, moose wrote:

I wonder of Opie had thought of asking NASA to look into the problem.

I doubt NASA has much to offer but the Navy and perhaps the CIA might
have some deep water capability they could bring to the party.
What ever happened to the Glomar Explorer? That had the heavy lift
capacity to deliver a dome that would not float up. It picked up a
flooded Soviet sub.

I believe NASA was consulted... doubt they'd be able to help much, but they
might have some ideas.

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Tue, 25 May 2010 12:19:06 -0400, hk wrote:


I'm thinking of future well disasters. I think it is folly to depend
upon the oil industry for the answers.

Maybe some sort of industry consortium to study effective ways to combat
spills? There are very few people that have the knowledge or expertise
to combat blowouts, especially a mile down. Red Adair is dead. ;-(

This should never have happened. BP was stepping over dollars to pick up
nickels. Spank them hard, and send a message.

I certainly agree. I don't think this should be a gov't effort. It just
needs _good_ gov't oversight.

"moose" wrote in message
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On 5/25/2010 11:27 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 May 2010 06:42:23 -0400, wrote:

I wonder of Opie had thought of asking NASA to look into the problem.

I doubt NASA has much to offer but the Navy and perhaps the CIA might
have some deep water capability they could bring to the party.
What ever happened to the Glomar Explorer? That had the heavy lift
capacity to deliver a dome that would not float up. It picked up a
flooded Soviet sub.

I thought of NASA because of their ability to solve unusual problems
quickly. But a solution might come from MIT or Stamford or General
Dynamics or any number of places. I'm only sure of one thing, When a
solution is found, Opie will be out in front taking his bows.

You're a racist.

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 24/05/2010 4:13 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:59:02 -0600,
wrote:

On 24/05/2010 1:29 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On May 24, 10:36 am, wrote:
Obviously, this oil spill has caused very little damage so far in
spite of being huge. IN relative terms, it's damage is far smaller
than a single weeks worth of tourism. So far, I am totally
unimpressed by any damage from the spill and I think this will
actually cause technology to be developed for spills that would be
problems.

Of course when you have a foreign oil company bribing the Obama admin
to ignore normal requirements, bad things can happen. You play by
Chicago rules and the Gulf Coast gets hurt. Obama does not care about
anybody in the south, he completely ignored the spill until the media
jumped on it and then ignored Nashville compeltely.


You're a raving lunatic!

Obama only cares about power and his own arrogant ass. He still thinks
he can big mouth BS his way out of it too. But more and more people are
catching on that this president is a banana republic jack ass.


he brought universal health care

Hasn't figured out how to pay for it.

a growing GDP

Inflation isn't something to brag about.

unemployment projected to drop by 5% at the end of the year...

Projected?

Hey, I project this property I have will one day become beach front. Are
you interested? Hell, everything I read says by November USA will be back
into a depression/recession dive.

if this is failure, i'll take it

Too bad you Obamanites couldn't exclude the rest of us from paying for the
total idiodic dilusional crap going on. Good part is when your welfare
stops so will your internet connection.

--
I would rather be a paid up Conservative nut job than a Liberal with no
nuts, no job in debt and living off of other people like a leach.


As usual, you're an idiot.

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 24/05/2010 4:08 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 07:36:05 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Obviously, this oil spill has caused very little damage so far in
spite of being huge. IN relative terms, it's damage is far smaller
than a single weeks worth of tourism. So far, I am totally
unimpressed by any damage from the spill and I think this will
actually cause technology to be developed for spills that would be
problems.

gee. imagine if all the damage you did to your lungs by cigaret
smoking happened only in a month...

IOW you dont know what the hell you're talking about

In reality, oil isn't as bad as you think to the environment. It is a
naturally occuring substance and often leaks out anyway. Take the oil
sands, if not mined out, it might just wash into the arctic.

That being said, it isn't good to release that much at once. But unlike
plastic bottles, cans, toilets, tires, boats, city garbage that still
exists in the gulf 20-70 years after they are dumped, oil will only take a
few years to disolve back into the environment.

--
I would rather be a paid up Conservative nut job than a Liberal with no
nuts, no job in debt and living off of other people like a leach.


As usual, you don't know your butt from a turd. The Valdez spill is STILL a
disaster.