Canuck57 wrote:
On 09/05/2010 11:02 AM, Jim wrote:
BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...
Fairly competent resources are available off-shore for 1/4 to 1/3 the
cost of US resources without all of the bagage of hiring a US
resource. In fact you can hire 2 for 1 US worker and not still be
ahead if the productivity is only 50% each.

Correction "2 for 1 US worker and still be ahead"

Plain stupid thinking.
Those working will have to support those not working.
Or get their throats cut. Is that what you mean by "a head?"
You sound like a commie. In America we want everybody working.
Your "foreigner first" attitude don't fly.

That is why it is a depression. Fewer people supporting the increasing
dead weight and more corruption too. A loose-loose situation. Why even
get involved? You would have to be nuts to open a new business in the
US/Canada that could be done offshore where win-win is possible.


That'll work for misfits who don't fit into normal society, and don't
care about making it better by getting people working.
Is that what you mean?

Jim - The end result of Libertarianism is Communism. The Libertarian
leadership become the apparatchiks. These closet commies ain't fooling
anybody. That's why they never get anywhere in America.
They don't have American values. They're commie faggots.
The GOP knows this. Even the queer Demoncrats know it.

Huh? Libertarianism is about less government, less interferance, more
choices and opportunities for the people will to get off their asses,
state owns squat. How does that equate with communism?


It's about power. Got nothing to do with "government."
It's always about power.
Libertarians problem with interference is they don't want anybody
interfering with them interfering with others. Same as the commies.
You don't get it, do you?

Jim - Hard to believe how some folks just don't get it.

BAR wrote:
In article , says...
BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...
Fairly competent resources are available off-shore for 1/4 to 1/3 the
cost of US resources without all of the bagage of hiring a US resource.
In fact you can hire 2 for 1 US worker and not still be ahead if the
productivity is only 50% each.
Correction "2 for 1 US worker and still be ahead"
Plain stupid thinking.
Those working will have to support those not working.
Or get their throats cut. Is that what you mean by "a head?"
You sound like a commie. In America we want everybody working.
Your "foreigner first" attitude don't fly.

It is called business. And, the decisions are made to keep the stock
price of US based corporations rising to make them attractive to the
large institutional investors (i.e. pension funds).


Government worker pension funds? California teachers and prison guards
and all them other generous union pension funds driving many states into
bankruptcy?
So that's what you're doing.
Par for the commie course.
Like I said, those working *will* pay to support those without jobs.
That's how society works, and always has.
Alway gets down to keeping people working for an income, or getting paid
by those who are working.
Otherwise there's revolution and throat-slashing.
Might be happening in Greece right now.

If I am lucky enough to get 75% out of the two off-shore resources for
2/3'rds the cost of a single on-shore resource then I am way ahead of
the game. By duty is to the share holders, not the government.


All that's just fine and dandy until a real American cuts your throat.
You sound just like a commie. Ideology over patriotism.
You gonna tell a vet returning from fighting to keep you safe, "****
you, I'm hiring a foreigner?"
You better not talk like that around real Americans.
Save it for buttering up the foreigners, commie.


If I had the ability to abolish entitlements at the federal level I
would do it tomorrow. There is no reason that the federal government
should be passing out social security checks, paying for medical
benefits or other entitlements. The only thing you are entitled to do in
life is to die, everything else is optional.


Right, but keep the foreigners happy.
That's why commies like you never get lasting power here in America.
You'd sell out everybody here to China for a buck.
Either you're a flash in the pan or America is dead.
I'm betting on America.


Jim - The end result of Libertarianism is Communism. The Libertarian
leadership become the apparatchiks. These closet commies ain't fooling
anybody. That's why they never get anywhere in America.
They don't have American values. They're commie faggots.
The GOP knows this. Even the queer Demoncrats know it.

Libertarians arguments fall apart as soon as they step off of their
property.


Same goes for business when they step on American necks.
But you have to be an American to understand that.
Looks like you don't qualify, you preferring foreigners and all.

Jim - You got your Dem commies, and your business commies. Pick your
poison. Either one of the faggots will dig your grave. They're good
for that. But America will prevail.

On Sun, 09 May 2010 11:29:00 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 09/05/2010 10:28 AM, bpuharic wrote:

guess he doesn't pay attention to the news. the economy created over
200K jobs last month...the most since 2006

So Obama looses even more jobs than were created, and those created were
low wage jobs often without benefits. LMAO, I can't believe you are
this stupid, but don't doubt it.

ROFLMAO!! first you say NO jobs are created THEN you bitch about the
ones that ARE created!!

typical right wing goal post moving.

and i guess you dont know we were in a depression. no doubt you're in
denial. the right wing ideology has collapsed

denial is all you have left


Lets look at the data:

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

Unemployment went from 9.7 to 9.9. Funny how even the adjusted BS
number goes up and you and Obama imply it went down.

ROFLMAO!!!

i TOLD YOU OVER A MONTH AGO THIS WILL HAPPEN!!

you're just too STUPID to know why!

every economist in the WORLD except the right KNEW unemployment would
INCREASE...yes INCREASE INCREASE INCREASE when the depressoin ends

why?

BECAUSE PEOPLE START LOOKING FOR JOBS!! yes, that's right. MORE
PEOPLELOOKINGFOR JOBS!!

so we KNEW unemployment would go UP UP UP...but not you!! you have
rush limball so you have your bull**** fairy tale

Second issue is Obama didn't create any jobs, businesses did. Probalby
with EI run out, get them back cheap.

really? care to prove that? every economist interviewed in march by
USATODAY (50 of them) said the TARP program created about 1.5M jobs

but because the president's a darkie, he CANT be effective


I see 195,000 re-enter the work force, guess more couples are working
more jobs to make up for lower wages. Not good.

hey moron. guess what? 2 wage earner families is the ONLY reason the
middle class income has stayed stable for 30 years. not
INCREASED...stayed STABLE. this is NOT NEW. the RIGHT has DESTROYED
the american family and forced it to work, work, work


Pretty small gains in manufacturing. Almost not worth a mention. Not
really good news here as at this time of year it should be much better.

guess what? manufacturing has been dying for 50 years in this country
as the rich sent jobs offshore.


No wonder the market went nuts on Thursday. I would pay big bucks to
see this a few hours earlier...as I am sure some did. Computer glitch
my ass....

ROFLMAO!! got any proof of this? you right wingers...you wipe out a
TRILLION in ONE DAY then blame it on obama!!



100% democratic liberal loser mentality f--kup. You should want to fire
them all. If they worked for me, they would be so fired as what they
cot they should be able to do better.

and the right?

it weeps because the middle class isnt selling its children into
prostitution.

On Sun, 09 May 2010 10:58:00 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:



You got it.

But it isn't just Democriters, it is a social attitude of entitlement,
self pity and irrational loser mentality. The win-loose philosophy.
Really self destructive envy and greed.

yes, the sense of entitlement by the rich

the right wing screws the middle class, then BLAMES teh middle class
for gettin screwed THEN calls the middle class lazy when it's actually
been WALL STREET that DESTROYED THE ECONOMY

but the right blames main street.

after all, the rich are god like. they never make mistakes

On Sat, 08 May 2010 21:18:43 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 08 May 2010 21:11:11 -0400, John H
wrote:

In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the
atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

In fact, overseas, not paying taxes has become a finely honed
tradition, especially for the very wealthy.

Look where Greece has ended up.

Yup. The rich leave (or at least get their money out of the country), and the
middle class pick up the pieces. Until they can't do it any more.
--
John H

For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 08/05/2010 7:33 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"John wrote in message
...
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten
comes
to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go
something
like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every
day
and
seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw
them a
curve. 'Since you are all such good customers,' he said, 'I'm going to
reduce
the cost of your daily beer by $20.'Drinks for the ten now cost just
$80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the
first
four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what
about
the
other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20
windfall so
that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided
by six
is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the
fifth man
and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So,
the
bar
owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by
roughly
the
same amount and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued
to
drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to
compare
their
savings.

'I only got a dollar out of the $20,'declared the sixth man. He pointed
to
the
tenth man,' but he got $10!' 'Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth
man. 'I
only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times as much as
I!'
'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back
when
I got
only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'

'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get
anything at
all. The system exploits the poor!'

The nine men surrounded the tenth man and beat him up. The next night
the
tenth
man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers
without
him.
But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something
important. They
didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our
tax
system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit
from a
tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and
they
just
may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas
where
the
atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics
University of Georgia

For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not
understand, no explanation is possible.

--
John H

For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v


You would be among the four that don't pay. I'm certain of it. So, why do
you care?


First person I though of at being at the botton welshers was you and
pbuharic arguing about who was the most destitute of the two.

--
There is a sucker born every minute, liberals and our politicians are
counting on it.


Right. I'm a welsher because I pay taxes and support the society I live in;
whereas, you're just a poor idiot.

On 09/05/2010 12:32 PM, Jim wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 09/05/2010 11:02 AM, Jim wrote:
BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...
Fairly competent resources are available off-shore for 1/4 to 1/3 the
cost of US resources without all of the bagage of hiring a US
resource. In fact you can hire 2 for 1 US worker and not still be
ahead if the productivity is only 50% each.

Correction "2 for 1 US worker and still be ahead"

Plain stupid thinking.
Those working will have to support those not working.
Or get their throats cut. Is that what you mean by "a head?"
You sound like a commie. In America we want everybody working.
Your "foreigner first" attitude don't fly.

That is why it is a depression. Fewer people supporting the increasing
dead weight and more corruption too. A loose-loose situation. Why even
get involved? You would have to be nuts to open a new business in the
US/Canada that could be done offshore where win-win is possible.


That'll work for misfits who don't fit into normal society, and don't
care about making it better by getting people working.
Is that what you mean?

Jim - The end result of Libertarianism is Communism. The Libertarian
leadership become the apparatchiks. These closet commies ain't fooling
anybody. That's why they never get anywhere in America.
They don't have American values. They're commie faggots.
The GOP knows this. Even the queer Demoncrats know it.

Huh? Libertarianism is about less government, less interferance, more
choices and opportunities for the people will to get off their asses,
state owns squat. How does that equate with communism?


It's about power. Got nothing to do with "government."
It's always about power.
Libertarians problem with interference is they don't want anybody
interfering with them interfering with others. Same as the commies.
You don't get it, do you?

Jim - Hard to believe how some folks just don't get it.

Nope I don't. Some libertarians are anarchists, I am not that far into
that. Just want government to pave roads, enforce common law, do K12
schools and after that, nothing much is of real value. If the country
needs defending, let the militia loose. We don't need GM, Citi
bailouts, we don't need Iraq/Afganistan with our nose in places just to
be a target shoot. We don't need a bureaucracy bigger than most cities
playing ponzi politics at out expense. Any time any organization gets
too much control over peoples lives bad things happen. World wars, tax
slavery, wealth robbing and strife with starvation.

But you are right, ultimately it is about power. Keep them poor, hard
working and always chasing the carrot. Easier to manage the herd that way.

Try a quiz.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html

Me, I hit top right on the results chart.

Then retake the test looking at how government is behaving, not the big
mount Obama talk, how they are actually behaving.

Enlightening.

US Governemnt answers would be:

Government Censorship: D - because Obama has actually done this and
they have the power to stall sotries.

Military service volunary. A for governemnt as it is the standing law
to let the rich kids off the hook.

Drugs a M because it depends if it can be controlled and taxed. Weed
will grow in home gardens, not acceptable but alchol...tax it.

RE sex, a lot of laws exist on the books although probaly weakly
enforced, a M

National ID, A, but they would rather see RFID in you cranium.

No Corporate welfare, so a D. Government loves the corruption it provides.

Goverments love trade barriers, so D here.

Control their own retirement, hanus, governemnt loves to skim it. D

Governement loves voting buying, charity is D.

Cut goveernment, the government sin of all time, D.

You get a fracking statism-marxist result. (Leftist-statism)








--
There is a sucker born every minute, liberals and our politicians are
counting on it.

On 09/05/2010 12:33 PM, Jim wrote:
BAR wrote:
In article , says...
BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...
Fairly competent resources are available off-shore for 1/4 to 1/3
the cost of US resources without all of the bagage of hiring a US
resource. In fact you can hire 2 for 1 US worker and not still be
ahead if the productivity is only 50% each.
Correction "2 for 1 US worker and still be ahead"
Plain stupid thinking.
Those working will have to support those not working.
Or get their throats cut. Is that what you mean by "a head?"
You sound like a commie. In America we want everybody working.
Your "foreigner first" attitude don't fly.

It is called business. And, the decisions are made to keep the stock
price of US based corporations rising to make them attractive to the
large institutional investors (i.e. pension funds).

Government worker pension funds? California teachers and prison guards
and all them other generous union pension funds driving many states into
bankruptcy?
So that's what you're doing.
Par for the commie course.
Like I said, those working *will* pay to support those without jobs.
That's how society works, and always has.
Alway gets down to keeping people working for an income, or getting paid
by those who are working.
Otherwise there's revolution and throat-slashing.
Might be happening in Greece right now.

3 died in a torched bank last week or so. More will die yet. And that
is before suicides not publically mentioned.

If I am lucky enough to get 75% out of the two off-shore resources for
2/3'rds the cost of a single on-shore resource then I am way ahead of
the game. By duty is to the share holders, not the government.

All that's just fine and dandy until a real American cuts your throat.

First, without a credit card he needs to afford a knife, and that is a
bad idea if the other guy has a 9mm. It happens, protective compounds
exist almost everywhere in the third world.

You'd sell out everybody here to China for a buck.

And even the governemtn did. Does China or is it Japan that hold the
most of US natiional debt assides from the bankrupt US Fed?

Either you're a flash in the pan or America is dead.
I'm betting on America.

I have my doubts. First time in my life too. The course DC is on is a
shipwreck in the making. Without a major dramatic course correction,
titanic is awaiting company. Todays debt will take wealth robbing
taxing decades to control.

USA isn't going to crash overnight, a long 10 or 20 year Japan like lost
decades. Stagnent wages, higher taxes, less government services, higher
inflation and harder credit.

In say 30 years after the debt-entitlement-envy generation gets the hard
lessons I have no doubt America will rise again as older values get
relearned.

--
There is a sucker born every minute, liberals and our politicians are
counting on it.

On 09/05/2010 12:34 PM, bpuharic wrote:

ROFLMAO!! first you say NO jobs are created THEN you bitch about the
ones that ARE created!!

Funny, the biggest growth was temp low paying census jobs. LMAO.

Hey, I have this beach front property in Arizona....

--
There is a sucker born every minute, liberals and our politicians are
counting on it.

On Sun, 9 May 2010 14:29:10 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
..

--
There is a sucker born every minute, liberals and our politicians are
counting on it.


Right. I'm a welsher because I pay taxes and support the society I live in;
whereas, you're just a poor idiot.

not only that, but when the rich game the system by excluding
themselves from taxes (via lower capital gains), he thinks this is
wonderful and the bill should be passed to the middle class