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On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:28:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

There's a guy locally that has a huge 80+ foot whatever moored and
slipped at Kentucky lake, and it sits. In the fall, he'll fire it up
and tool it down to Fla. and slip it there, and fly back. Then in the
spring, he'll fly back down, fire it up and cruise back to Ky. Lake.
And ti sits. He's done that for years.

i never saw much future in that, really.

It's called owning a floating condominium. There are quite a few of
them. The *really* wealthy guys will typically have a professional
captain and crew to move the "condominium" around for them.

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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:01:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

6.5 hp diesel? What make?

kubota? Yannmar? Lombardini? I'm surprised that 6.5 could push
anything of that size. other than a small riding mower.

You'd be surprised. Sailboat hulls, especially a racing sailboat that
is well maintained, have very slippery hulls. In flat water, no wind
and no current it takes almost nothing to get tthem moving. I was
once out cruising and racing on a 40 footer that lost its prop. We
lashed a dinghy along side like a tugboat and used its little 2 hp
Evinrude to bring the big boat into the dock.

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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:24:10 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

But wouldn't a boat of the size I mentioned be powered with a decent engine?
Seems like it would be, but I haven't really looked into it.

A 40 ft cruising sailboat would typically have a diesel in the 30 to
40 hp range. In flat water and no wind that's enough for 6 1/2 to 7
kts if the bottom is clean.

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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 23:07:17 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

My understanding is that the engine on a cruising type boat would be able to
bring the boat to "hull" speed. You can't really go faster than that, so I
suppose the appropriate engine would be one that could do that (or nearly
so)? 1.34 x sq. rt of water line? So, assuming there's overhang on a 42'
boat, say the water line is 40' the max speed would be about 8.5. Of course,
if it were not pushing all the water, skimming, then you could go faster.

As I stated previously it doesn't take a lot of power to get a
sailboat moving at close to hull speed in flat water and no wind. It
takes a lot more power however, and a large prop, to get the same boat
moving against 25 kts of wind and 6 ft seas. You have to decide what
kind of conditions you are likely to encounter. There is nothing
worse than being caught out in a raging wind squall with an under
powered boat, and a lee shore close at hand.

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Tim wrote:
On Apr 18, 12:45 am, wrote:

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:15:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume"





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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:18:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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The smell of diesel, the most masculine cologne.


NOT blech.


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You may be too young to remember the 70s when guys would spritz a
little gasoline behind their ear in hopes a girl would think you
worked in a gas station.


Good grief... did any of them live?

Gee whiz ... nothing? not even a mercy LOL?
You must be too young to remember gas lines. ;-)- Hide quoted text -

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I remember them. Wait in lne for a hour so you could get $5.00 of gas
and that was the limit. And if you were lucky you could get gas before
the station ran out. It was rationed to them too!

What is $5.00 get you back then? 10 gallons or so?

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:08:37 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 18, 12:45 am, wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:15:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume"





wrote:
wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:18:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The smell of diesel, the most masculine cologne.

NOT blech.

--
You may be too young to remember the 70s when guys would spritz a
little gasoline behind their ear in hopes a girl would think you
worked in a gas station.

Good grief... did any of them live?

Gee whiz ... nothing? not even a mercy LOL?
You must be too young to remember gas lines. ;-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I remember them. Wait in lne for a hour so you could get $5.00 of gas
and that was the limit. And if you were lucky you could get gas before
the station ran out. It was rationed to them too!

I am sure Plume would be flirting with the gas station guy to try to
get an extra few gallons.
I do remember parking in the gas station in the middle of the night so
I would be there when they opened. I also had a odd/even permit so I
could get gas on either day.


I owned a company with delivery trucks and we were exempt. Commercial
plates were exempt from the odd even. Was nice my pickup was exempt and
there was a station near my house that was sort of out of the way and wife
could normally fill up without a wait. The delivery trucks fueled at a
Cardlock station, so we could fill the family vehicles also 24/7. Biggest
problem was we had to get the drivers to put in a little more than they need
for the route, as we had lots of people deciding to climb the fence and
siphon gas. And steal batteries. Later we went to diesel delivery trucks,
which would have cut down on the theft.

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"Larry" wrote in message
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Tim wrote:
On Apr 18, 12:45 am, wrote:

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:15:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume"





wrote:

wrote in message
...

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:18:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


The smell of diesel, the most masculine cologne.


NOT blech.


--

You may be too young to remember the 70s when guys would spritz a
little gasoline behind their ear in hopes a girl would think you
worked in a gas station.


Good grief... did any of them live?

Gee whiz ... nothing? not even a mercy LOL?
You must be too young to remember gas lines. ;-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I remember them. Wait in lne for a hour so you could get $5.00 of gas
and that was the limit. And if you were lucky you could get gas before
the station ran out. It was rationed to them too!

What is $5.00 get you back then? 10 gallons or so?

Nope got you about 5 gallons. I think the day that I really realized how
expensive gas was getting, was the day I filled up my 350 cc Kawasaki. 3.5
gallon tank and cost me a little over $5. Putting $25 in the van just did
not strike you as bad as $5 in a small motorcycle.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 23:07:17 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

My understanding is that the engine on a cruising type boat would be able
to
bring the boat to "hull" speed. You can't really go faster than that, so I
suppose the appropriate engine would be one that could do that (or nearly
so)? 1.34 x sq. rt of water line? So, assuming there's overhang on a 42'
boat, say the water line is 40' the max speed would be about 8.5. Of
course,
if it were not pushing all the water, skimming, then you could go faster.

As I stated previously it doesn't take a lot of power to get a
sailboat moving at close to hull speed in flat water and no wind. It
takes a lot more power however, and a large prop, to get the same boat
moving against 25 kts of wind and 6 ft seas. You have to decide what
kind of conditions you are likely to encounter. There is nothing
worse than being caught out in a raging wind squall with an under
powered boat, and a lee shore close at hand.


I can imagine. Our thinking is that with a fairly new sailboat in the
40-foot range, it would likely have a decent engine. I'm sure that would be
part of the go/no-go decision for buying. I can imagine it would be fairly
expensive to repower if it wasn't sized properly. My friends in Santa Cruz
have a sailboat with a fairly small engine (30ish foot boat). I think the hp
was maybe 15... something like that. A larger boat.. maybe 50 hp? I think
that's what I saw at the boat show.

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Nom=de=Plume

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:24:10 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

But wouldn't a boat of the size I mentioned be powered with a decent
engine?
Seems like it would be, but I haven't really looked into it.

A 40 ft cruising sailboat would typically have a diesel in the 30 to
40 hp range. In flat water and no wind that's enough for 6 1/2 to 7
kts if the bottom is clean.


Ok.. I just guessed/remembered seeing 50hp. So, that's pretty close.

Seems like unless you're close to shore, you really don't need a lot of
engine power. Maybe in a storm, but wouldn't the concern be running the
engine without intake water or running out of fuel if you run it too long?
I'm mean that's why it's a sailboat... to sail.

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Nom=de=Plume

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:46:58 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Seems like unless you're close to shore, you really don't need a lot of
engine power. Maybe in a storm, but wouldn't the concern be running the
engine without intake water or running out of fuel if you run it too long?
I'm mean that's why it's a sailboat... to sail.

There are two times when you need power on a sailboat: Bad weather and
good weather.

Most cruising sailboats spend more than 90% of their time underway
with the engine running. Either the wind is from the wrong direction,
too weak or too strong.