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On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:07:20 -0500, Jim wrote:

When they're not figuring out what yacht to lay a cool quarter million
on,

No offense Jim but a cool quarter mil is not going to buy a yacht.
That is just a boat. Yachts go more like several mil.up to hundreds of
mil. They might have a quarter mil boat swinging on davits.


Jim is a troll and a rude jerk. I just ignore him.

However, those wishing to contribute to our ability to afford a "yacht"
should feel free to send the money. :)

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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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On Apr 16, 12:25 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:07:20 -0500, Jim wrote:
When they're not figuring out what yacht to lay a cool quarter million
on,

No offense Jim but a cool quarter mil is not going to buy a yacht.
That is just a boat. Yachts go more like several mil.up to hundreds of
mil. They might have a quarter mil boat swinging on davits.

You just need a change of venue, around here a trashed out oyster boat
carrying a 6 pack of Miller is a Yacht.


Heh..

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"Don White" wrote in message
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I once met a couple who had bought a boat on Lake Michigan, sailed
down the Miss. R and then across the gulf and then all over th
Bahamas. They were on their way back aqnd had stopped in
Apalachicola, FL and I asked how they had liked it. She had hated
it. He had liked it but her dislike was enough.
Another couple I know spent years re-building a boat to get ready to
go cruising and then finally after 10 years of planning, set off. For
some reason I still do not know, it din't work out and hey came back
within 4 months.
Another couple I know is working on their boat talking constantly
about how they will take off as soon as they retire. What if it
dosn't work out for them and they do not like it? That's a lot of
wasted effort and years.
Doesn't it make more sense to have a smaller boat you can afford with
far fewer things to go wrong so you can afford to go NOW? A smaller
boat you can afford allows you to arrange your work to allow more time
for shorter coat hopping trips until you finally get some real time.
I see too many big boats that sit at the dock rarely being sailed and
we all know the saying that the amount of use a sailboat gets is
inversely proportional to its size.


I wonder how many stories there are of people who actually enjoyed it.
There must be a few. :)

I think you're right. It does make sense to have a boat you can afford.
We're not looking at a megayacht, which I suppose if we went into hock,
we could "afford" (the very broadest sense of the word). As I said, two
of us are not really too concerned about "jobs" at this point. The other
two are, and we're trying to accomodate everyone.

I think it would be quite reasonable to expect the boat would mostly sit
at the dock for a year, since we're not planning on leaving before that.
Even if we sailed every weeked (which is highly unrealistic - more like
twice a month over the course of the year), that would still have it
mostly sitting. The other three live down that way, so they'd be much
more likely than I to go. In fact, assuming all goes as planned, I would
likely be sailing on school boats, since I'm learning.

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How many miles would the sailboat be moored from your residence?

From me it's quite a ways... in a straight line it's probably over 150
miles? Something like that, but driving it's over 2.5 hours with no traffic.

The others are much closer (under 30 miles). If I go down, it would be for
multiple nights (or for multiple days in a class).

I still have work planned into next year, so it's not like I can just move
down there right now.

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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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On Apr 16, 11:13 am, "Don White" wrote:
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message

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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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I once met a couple who had bought a boat on Lake Michigan, sailed
down the Miss. R and then across the gulf and then all over th
Bahamas. They were on their way back aqnd had stopped in
Apalachicola, FL and I asked how they had liked it. She had hated
it. He had liked it but her dislike was enough.
Another couple I know spent years re-building a boat to get ready to
go cruising and then finally after 10 years of planning, set off. For
some reason I still do not know, it din't work out and hey came back
within 4 months.
Another couple I know is working on their boat talking constantly
about how they will take off as soon as they retire. What if it
dosn't work out for them and they do not like it? That's a lot of
wasted effort and years.
Doesn't it make more sense to have a smaller boat you can afford with
far fewer things to go wrong so you can afford to go NOW? A smaller
boat you can afford allows you to arrange your work to allow more time
for shorter coat hopping trips until you finally get some real time.
I see too many big boats that sit at the dock rarely being sailed and
we all know the saying that the amount of use a sailboat gets is
inversely proportional to its size.

I wonder how many stories there are of people who actually enjoyed it.
There must be a few. :)

I think you're right. It does make sense to have a boat you can afford.
We're not looking at a megayacht, which I suppose if we went into hock,
we
could "afford" (the very broadest sense of the word). As I said, two of
us
are not really too concerned about "jobs" at this point. The other two
are, and we're trying to accomodate everyone.

I think it would be quite reasonable to expect the boat would mostly sit
at the dock for a year, since we're not planning on leaving before that.
Even if we sailed every weeked (which is highly unrealistic - more like
twice a month over the course of the year), that would still have it
mostly sitting. The other three live down that way, so they'd be much
more
likely than I to go. In fact, assuming all goes as planned, I would
likely
be sailing on school boats, since I'm learning.

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How many miles would the sailboat be moored from your residence?

Even if you love sailing, the harsh reality is that you'll get more
use from a power boat. Unless you are cruising full time, the cost of
fuel is small in relation to the cost of your "lost" hours in moving
the boat to a new cruising place.

Sorry... not interested in powerboats for cruising around. Wakeboarding
maybe...

Once I realized this, I took the old 6.5 hp diesel out of my boat that
only pushed her at 4.5 kts and replaced it with a 13 hp one that
pushed her at over 6.3 kts. It doesn't sound like a big diff but it
makes a huge difference in getting places.

But wouldn't a boat of the size I mentioned be powered with a decent engine?
Seems like it would be, but I haven't really looked into it.

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On 4/16/10 11:13 AM, Don White wrote:
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I once met a couple who had bought a boat on Lake Michigan, sailed
down the Miss. R and then across the gulf and then all over th
Bahamas. They were on their way back aqnd had stopped in
Apalachicola, FL and I asked how they had liked it. She had hated
it. He had liked it but her dislike was enough.
Another couple I know spent years re-building a boat to get ready to
go cruising and then finally after 10 years of planning, set off. For
some reason I still do not know, it din't work out and hey came back
within 4 months.
Another couple I know is working on their boat talking constantly
about how they will take off as soon as they retire. What if it
dosn't work out for them and they do not like it? That's a lot of
wasted effort and years.
Doesn't it make more sense to have a smaller boat you can afford with
far fewer things to go wrong so you can afford to go NOW? A smaller
boat you can afford allows you to arrange your work to allow more time
for shorter coat hopping trips until you finally get some real time.
I see too many big boats that sit at the dock rarely being sailed and
we all know the saying that the amount of use a sailboat gets is
inversely proportional to its size.


I wonder how many stories there are of people who actually enjoyed it.
There must be a few. :)

I think you're right. It does make sense to have a boat you can afford.
We're not looking at a megayacht, which I suppose if we went into hock,
we
could "afford" (the very broadest sense of the word). As I said, two of
us
are not really too concerned about "jobs" at this point. The other two
are, and we're trying to accomodate everyone.

I think it would be quite reasonable to expect the boat would mostly sit
at the dock for a year, since we're not planning on leaving before that.
Even if we sailed every weeked (which is highly unrealistic - more like
twice a month over the course of the year), that would still have it
mostly sitting. The other three live down that way, so they'd be much
more
likely than I to go. In fact, assuming all goes as planned, I would
likely
be sailing on school boats, since I'm learning.

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Nom=de=Plume

How many miles would the sailboat be moored from your residence?




Yes, *that* certainly can be a reason not to use the boat as often as you
like.

I doubt I'd be a candidate for cruising these days. I like boating, but
for a day or for a day or two at a time. But that's just me. I know some
"cruisers" who are really into it. But...if you buy a large boat without
first having cruised, well, you're really buying a pig in a poke.


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Besides renting for a cruising vacation (like Sunsail or Moorings) how would
one cruise on it before buying? I'm assuming you meant that...


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On 4/16/10 1:25 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On 4/16/10 11:13 AM, Don White wrote:
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I once met a couple who had bought a boat on Lake Michigan, sailed
down the Miss. R and then across the gulf and then all over th
Bahamas. They were on their way back aqnd had stopped in
Apalachicola, FL and I asked how they had liked it. She had hated
it. He had liked it but her dislike was enough.
Another couple I know spent years re-building a boat to get ready to
go cruising and then finally after 10 years of planning, set off. For
some reason I still do not know, it din't work out and hey came back
within 4 months.
Another couple I know is working on their boat talking constantly
about how they will take off as soon as they retire. What if it
dosn't work out for them and they do not like it? That's a lot of
wasted effort and years.
Doesn't it make more sense to have a smaller boat you can afford with
far fewer things to go wrong so you can afford to go NOW? A smaller
boat you can afford allows you to arrange your work to allow more time
for shorter coat hopping trips until you finally get some real time.
I see too many big boats that sit at the dock rarely being sailed and
we all know the saying that the amount of use a sailboat gets is
inversely proportional to its size.


I wonder how many stories there are of people who actually enjoyed it.
There must be a few. :)

I think you're right. It does make sense to have a boat you can afford.
We're not looking at a megayacht, which I suppose if we went into hock,
we
could "afford" (the very broadest sense of the word). As I said, two of
us
are not really too concerned about "jobs" at this point. The other two
are, and we're trying to accomodate everyone.

I think it would be quite reasonable to expect the boat would mostly sit
at the dock for a year, since we're not planning on leaving before that.
Even if we sailed every weeked (which is highly unrealistic - more like
twice a month over the course of the year), that would still have it
mostly sitting. The other three live down that way, so they'd be much
more
likely than I to go. In fact, assuming all goes as planned, I would
likely
be sailing on school boats, since I'm learning.

--
Nom=de=Plume

How many miles would the sailboat be moored from your residence?




Yes, *that* certainly can be a reason not to use the boat as often as you
like.

I doubt I'd be a candidate for cruising these days. I like boating, but
for a day or for a day or two at a time. But that's just me. I know some
"cruisers" who are really into it. But...if you buy a large boat without
first having cruised, well, you're really buying a pig in a poke.


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http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym


Besides renting for a cruising vacation (like Sunsail or Moorings) how would
one cruise on it before buying? I'm assuming you meant that...




By chartering or by being a guest...

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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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On Apr 16, 12:25 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:07:20 -0500, Jim wrote:
When they're not figuring out what yacht to lay a cool quarter million
on,

No offense Jim but a cool quarter mil is not going to buy a yacht.
That is just a boat. Yachts go more like several mil.up to hundreds of
mil. They might have a quarter mil boat swinging on davits.

You just need a change of venue, around here a trashed out oyster boat
carrying a 6 pack of Miller is a Yacht.
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On Apr 16, 1:53*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:29:59 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
On Apr 16, 12:25*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:07:20 -0500, Jim wrote:
When they're not figuring out what yacht to lay a cool quarter million
on,

No offense Jim but a cool quarter mil is not going to buy a yacht.
That is just a boat. Yachts go more like several mil.up to hundreds of
mil. They might have a quarter mil boat swinging on davits.

You just need a change of venue, around here a trashed out oyster boat
carrying a 6 pack of Miller is a Yacht.

Does PBR count, I may have a yacht after all

you mean that stuff is still available? I rememebr back in the 70's
when they and Busch (Budweiser) were competing for #1 spot, then all
of a sudden PBR closed down the Peoria IL plant then they just sort of
disapeared. At least under that lable.

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On 4/16/10 3:15 PM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 16, 1:53 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:29:59 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
On Apr 16, 12:25 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:07:20 -0500, wrote:
When they're not figuring out what yacht to lay a cool quarter million
on,

No offense Jim but a cool quarter mil is not going to buy a yacht.
That is just a boat. Yachts go more like several mil.up to hundreds of
mil. They might have a quarter mil boat swinging on davits.

You just need a change of venue, around here a trashed out oyster boat
carrying a 6 pack of Miller is a Yacht.

Does PBR count, I may have a yacht after all

you mean that stuff is still available? I rememebr back in the 70's
when they and Busch (Budweiser) were competing for #1 spot, then all
of a sudden PBR closed down the Peoria IL plant then they just sort of
disapeared. At least under that lable.



Yep, and certainly better than Bud Lite and Miller Lite, although still
just another ****y American brew.

I spent a college summer working on the loading dock of Hulls Export
Beer in New Haven. I guess it was called Export Beer because no one in
New Haven would drink it. No one except us loading dock workers. :)


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Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 16, 12:25 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:07:20 -0500, Jim wrote:
When they're not figuring out what yacht to lay a cool quarter million
on,
No offense Jim but a cool quarter mil is not going to buy a yacht.
That is just a boat. Yachts go more like several mil.up to hundreds of
mil. They might have a quarter mil boat swinging on davits.

You just need a change of venue, around here a trashed out oyster boat
carrying a 6 pack of Miller is a Yacht.

Yep, yacht means different thing to different folks.
Only thing locked down about "yacht" is vessel for pleasure.
But there's a difference between a $1,000 boat and quarter million
dollar boat. $249,000 extra thrown in the hole in the water.
Libs should be giving that money to the poor, or for supporting their
"heartfelt" causes, not squandering it on themselves for frivolities.
It just gets me how some libs talk all poor and "caring" when not
bragging about their stock portfolios or riding in their limos.
Course it's all BS coming from deplum anyway.
These anonymous folks can't be believed for anything.
And that includes Loogy. Why is these libs won't use their names?
Harry don't count. He's not a lib, just a union thug. Worse, because
at least the normal limp-wristed lib don't go out leg-breaking with a
baseball bat.

Jim - My daddy told me that actions speak louder than words, and never
trust somebody selling goods from the trunk of a Cadillac limo.