On 10/04/2010 6:19 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:33:47 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:13:01 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:45:01 -0400, wrote:

right wingers blew out the US economy. alan greenspan...disciple of
ayn rand...george bush.

With plenty of help from "the left"

really? the left was part of the chicago school?

gee. that's gonna come as news to everyone.


neither was liberal

Nor was Clinton, Greenspan worked for him, what's your point?

and clinton's govt was run by a conservative congress which ran
rampant with chicago school philosophy

you DO know about the chicago school, right?

I basically agree with you but the same voodoo economics model that HW
Bush criticized in 1984 was the way they ALL did business since.
My only complaint is you keep saying this was just a right wing plot.
Both sides embraced it for 25 years until the whole thing collapsed in
on itself.
I have posted the vote several times here but the deregulation bill HR
5477 most responsible for this disaster was opposed by 51 conservative
republicans and 9 democrats.

But it made debt cheaper to appease debtors including the congress.
Didn't mater the massive ensuing debt (personal, private and public)
would someday become a huge issue.

Well the day has arrived and Obama is going to solve a debt problem with
more debt. Forgive my contempt to Obama, he is an idiot if he thinks he
can spend america out of debt.

--
The Liberal way, take no responsibility.

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:31:31 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:



But it made debt cheaper to appease debtors including the congress.
Didn't mater the massive ensuing debt (personal, private and public)
would someday become a huge issue.

uh, no. what it did do was taken the cuffs off the super rich to allow
them to steal even more than they had, under the guise of the 'free
market'.

Well the day has arrived and Obama is going to solve a debt problem with
more debt. Forgive my contempt to Obama, he is an idiot if he thinks he
can spend america out of debt.

except, of course, the economy is growing...fast. both larry kudlow
and 'business week' have articles supporting this. so it seems you CAN
spend your way out of debt.

the right wing simply has no idea about how economics works

notice the right wing bitcher has no solution to the mess the right
created?

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 20:19:35 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:33:47 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:13:01 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:45:01 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

right wingers blew out the US economy. alan greenspan...disciple of
ayn rand...george bush.

With plenty of help from "the left"

really? the left was part of the chicago school?

gee. that's gonna come as news to everyone.


neither was liberal

Nor was Clinton, Greenspan worked for him, what's your point?

and clinton's govt was run by a conservative congress which ran
rampant with chicago school philosophy

you DO know about the chicago school, right?

I basically agree with you but the same voodoo economics model that HW
Bush criticized in 1984 was the way they ALL did business since.
My only complaint is you keep saying this was just a right wing plot.

the left was never a big fan of the chicago school.
stiglitz..krugman..both nobel prize winners...didn't give it much
credence

Both sides embraced it for 25 years until the whole thing collapsed in
on itself.

yep. the free market fundamentalist theology grabbed both the middle
and the right which ran this country since reagan.

I have posted the vote several times here but the deregulation bill HR
5477 most responsible for this disaster was opposed by 51 conservative
republicans and 9 democrats.

and it was passed only after phil gramm threatened to filibuster it
after he added his 262 page deregulation of CDO's which caused the
meltdown.

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 23:28:18 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 20:35:04 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

I have posted the vote several times here but the deregulation bill HR
5477 most responsible for this disaster was opposed by 51 conservative
republicans and 9 democrats.

and it was passed only after phil gramm threatened to filibuster it
after he added his 262 page deregulation of CDO's which caused the
meltdown.

That does not explain 100 senators voting FOR it.

sure it does. it was passed on 12/15 late in the evening. a 262 page
addendum to an 11,000 page bill was not going to attract attention, as
gramm calculated.

The language was not Gramms either. It came from a house bill H.R.5660
that was cosponsored by New York rep John LaFalce.

newsflash:

gramm was a senator. representatives dont get a vote in the senate.

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 10/04/2010 11:10 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 09:42:51 -0600,
wrote:

On 09/04/2010 11:33 PM, wrote:

Is that $125k plus as some here say or is it less?

Depends on how you manage money. I have seen people live middle class
at $50k and others broke at $125K.

There is more to being middle class than what you make. It is also
about attitude and self dicipline.

I agree with that. The most "broke" people I know make over $100k but
they spend borrowed money like they make a million.

Yep. My little sister is like that. When life was good with two good
jobs they leveraged up to the 9's. We told them, now is the time to
solidify that wealth and pay off debt, not create more of it.

Now getting close to 50, and a huge mortgage on a dump when the last
recession hit. Set her back 30 years financially. But it is all our
fault. Typical liberal screwup will be working for a long time yet.

--
Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money.


No. It's her fault. But, feel free to blame the gov't (or liberals or the
Ghost of Christmas Past). The bottom line is that she screwed up. It
happens.

--
Nom=de=Plume

On 10/04/2010 1:11 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 10/04/2010 11:10 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 09:42:51 -0600,
wrote:

On 09/04/2010 11:33 PM, wrote:

Is that $125k plus as some here say or is it less?

Depends on how you manage money. I have seen people live middle class
at $50k and others broke at $125K.

There is more to being middle class than what you make. It is also
about attitude and self dicipline.

I agree with that. The most "broke" people I know make over $100k but
they spend borrowed money like they make a million.

Yep. My little sister is like that. When life was good with two good
jobs they leveraged up to the 9's. We told them, now is the time to
solidify that wealth and pay off debt, not create more of it.

Now getting close to 50, and a huge mortgage on a dump when the last
recession hit. Set her back 30 years financially. But it is all our
fault. Typical liberal screwup will be working for a long time yet.

--
Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money.


No. It's her fault. But, feel free to blame the gov't (or liberals or the
Ghost of Christmas Past). The bottom line is that she screwed up. It
happens.

She blames me because I didn't screw up like she did! Stupid POS. And
she blames C/conservatives as they should bail her out.

It happens a lot.

Raising kids liberally for example, they learn little of conservative
dicipline. Then when 25 or so, one loser job after anotehr they fail to
cope and do suicide.

This depression goes far beyond just the mechanics of government tax,
banking and corruption bailouts, the liberalism has become a disease
that is hurting people big time.

As when uncle Obama runs out of cash or hasn't gotten around to you, you
will be one disappointed liberal loser. A conservative self starter has
a huge advantage over a entitlist liberal at the moment, but the liberal
wants to steal it.

--
Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money.

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 10/04/2010 1:11 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 10/04/2010 11:10 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 09:42:51 -0600,
wrote:

On 09/04/2010 11:33 PM, wrote:

Is that $125k plus as some here say or is it less?

Depends on how you manage money. I have seen people live middle class
at $50k and others broke at $125K.

There is more to being middle class than what you make. It is also
about attitude and self dicipline.

I agree with that. The most "broke" people I know make over $100k but
they spend borrowed money like they make a million.

Yep. My little sister is like that. When life was good with two good
jobs they leveraged up to the 9's. We told them, now is the time to
solidify that wealth and pay off debt, not create more of it.

Now getting close to 50, and a huge mortgage on a dump when the last
recession hit. Set her back 30 years financially. But it is all our
fault. Typical liberal screwup will be working for a long time yet.

--
Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money.


No. It's her fault. But, feel free to blame the gov't (or liberals or the
Ghost of Christmas Past). The bottom line is that she screwed up. It
happens.

She blames me because I didn't screw up like she did! Stupid POS. And
she blames C/conservatives as they should bail her out.

It happens a lot.

Raising kids liberally for example, they learn little of conservative
dicipline. Then when 25 or so, one loser job after anotehr they fail to
cope and do suicide.

This depression goes far beyond just the mechanics of government tax,
banking and corruption bailouts, the liberalism has become a disease that
is hurting people big time.

As when uncle Obama runs out of cash or hasn't gotten around to you, you
will be one disappointed liberal loser. A conservative self starter has a
huge advantage over a entitlist liberal at the moment, but the liberal
wants to steal it.

--
Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money.


Maybe it is your fault. You're the older brother. Keep on ranting about
Obama. I'm sure someone inside your empty head cares.

--
Nom=de=Plume

On 10/04/2010 1:54 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 10/04/2010 1:11 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 10/04/2010 11:10 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 09:42:51 -0600,
wrote:

On 09/04/2010 11:33 PM, wrote:

Is that $125k plus as some here say or is it less?

Depends on how you manage money. I have seen people live middle class
at $50k and others broke at $125K.

There is more to being middle class than what you make. It is also
about attitude and self dicipline.

I agree with that. The most "broke" people I know make over $100k but
they spend borrowed money like they make a million.

Yep. My little sister is like that. When life was good with two good
jobs they leveraged up to the 9's. We told them, now is the time to
solidify that wealth and pay off debt, not create more of it.

Now getting close to 50, and a huge mortgage on a dump when the last
recession hit. Set her back 30 years financially. But it is all our
fault. Typical liberal screwup will be working for a long time yet.

--
Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money.


No. It's her fault. But, feel free to blame the gov't (or liberals or the
Ghost of Christmas Past). The bottom line is that she screwed up. It
happens.

She blames me because I didn't screw up like she did! Stupid POS. And
she blames C/conservatives as they should bail her out.

It happens a lot.

Raising kids liberally for example, they learn little of conservative
dicipline. Then when 25 or so, one loser job after anotehr they fail to
cope and do suicide.

This depression goes far beyond just the mechanics of government tax,
banking and corruption bailouts, the liberalism has become a disease that
is hurting people big time.

As when uncle Obama runs out of cash or hasn't gotten around to you, you
will be one disappointed liberal loser. A conservative self starter has a
huge advantage over a entitlist liberal at the moment, but the liberal
wants to steal it.

--
Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money.


Maybe it is your fault. You're the older brother. Keep on ranting about
Obama. I'm sure someone inside your empty head cares.

It was years ago now since I saw the little slug. Had her over for
dinner with our mother, and after dinner I snapped when she grabbed our
limited income 75 year old mothers purse to pilfer money.

I simply said "Mom, I am sorry, I can't watch this any longer. J-------
please get the frac out of this house you Liberal touting blood sucking
immoral POS. Mom shouldn't have to put up with purse raiding and your
blood sucking 'poor me' screw up attitude any longer".

She went off in a fluff, haven't seen her since which suits me fine.

So I guess so. I wasn't will to be abused by a freeloader, and didn't
like the idea of her freeloading on her elderly Mom.

But not my fault. I can't control her, for if I owned her as a slave, I
would ahve it beaten right out of her hide.

--
Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money.

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 13:35:22 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:



Raising kids liberally for example, they learn little of conservative
dicipline. Then when 25 or so, one loser job after anotehr they fail to
cope and do suicide.

or, if they become conservative, they bomb a federal building


This depression goes far beyond just the mechanics of government tax,
banking and corruption bailouts, the liberalism has become a disease
that is hurting people big time.

except it was caused by right wing conservative economics. and the
economy is growing. not that you keep up with the news


As when uncle Obama runs out of cash or hasn't gotten around to you, you
will be one disappointed liberal loser. A conservative self starter has
a huge advantage over a entitlist liberal at the moment, but the liberal
wants to steal it.

except the right has already stolen everything the middle class has to
offer:


http://www.tnr.com/blogs/jonathan-chait

The recovery from the 2001 recession basically never produced real
wage gains -- essentially all the gains went into corporate profits
and gains for the very rich

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On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 09:42:51 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 09/04/2010 11:33 PM, wrote:

Is that $125k plus as some here say or is it less?

Depends on how you manage money. I have seen people live middle class
at $50k and others broke at $125K.

There is more to being middle class than what you make. It is also
about attitude and self dicipline.

I agree with that. The most "broke" people I know make over $100k but
they spend borrowed money like they make a million.


Perhaps the ones you know, but that's not really typical.

--
Nom=de=Plume