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Tim March 24th 10 02:48 AM

additional navigation lights.
 
On Mar 23, 9:38*pm, W1TEF wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:59:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Mar 23, 8:53 pm, W1TEF wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:43:19 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


On Mar 21, 3:21 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:49:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


Pick up a copy of the Inland/International navigation rules or read
them online - you can also download a copy in PDF format I believe.


http://www.amazon.com/Navigation-Rul.../dp/0939837498


http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm


Thanks for those links, Tom. I will be doing some studying. I suppose
the reason I'm asking all these questions about Nav. Lights is I want
to update my boat to better standards and make it as safe as I can.


Wayne.B March 24th 10 02:54 AM

additional navigation lights.
 
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

That's one of my reasons for recommending a goodradarreflector.


Wayne, can a person nail a coffee can onto a long stick, stand it up
and screw it onto a windshield bracket and get by?


Probably not but there used to be stories about people on sailboats
running pots and pans up the mast to create a radar reflector.
Anything that creates a series of 90 degree corners will work. The
more surface area the better, and accuracy of the corners is
important.

Tim March 24th 10 02:56 AM

additional navigation lights.
 
On Mar 23, 9:54*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

That's one of my reasons for recommending a goodradarreflector.


Wayne, can a person nail a coffee can onto a long stick, stand it up
and screw it onto a windshield bracket *and get by?


Probably not but there used to be stories about people on sailboats
running pots and pans up the mast to create a radar reflector.
Anything that creates a series of 90 degree corners will work. *The
more surface area the better, and accuracy of the corners is
important.


Well, there goes my Stealth fighter theory.

Tim March 24th 10 05:48 PM

additional navigation lights.
 
On Mar 24, 4:02*am, W1TEF wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:48:53 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

hmmm, now that you mentioned it. By flattening out the can and getting
rid of the round edges, it makes it more detectable to radar?


Yes and the more angles and corners the better. *Although a simple
right angle would work as well.

With respect to aircraft, it's more a question of size - aircraft are
much larger than a coffee can and have enough complex angles in the
aluminum to provide a return. *If you look closely at a stealth
aircraft, there's nothing to provide a significant return. *Plus, they
are painted with an absorbant coating dropping their signature to
something smaller than a bird.


Excellent information on th coating, Tom. I wasn't aware of the
reasoning behind that design.


jps March 24th 10 07:23 PM

additional navigation lights.
 
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:48:13 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Mar 24, 4:02*am, W1TEF wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:48:53 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

hmmm, now that you mentioned it. By flattening out the can and getting
rid of the round edges, it makes it more detectable to radar?


Yes and the more angles and corners the better. *Although a simple
right angle would work as well.

With respect to aircraft, it's more a question of size - aircraft are
much larger than a coffee can and have enough complex angles in the
aluminum to provide a return. *If you look closely at a stealth
aircraft, there's nothing to provide a significant return. *Plus, they
are painted with an absorbant coating dropping their signature to
something smaller than a bird.


Excellent information on th coating, Tom. I wasn't aware of the
reasoning behind that design.


Is that Tom, the guy who'll never darken our door again?

hk March 24th 10 07:29 PM

additional navigation lights.
 
On 3/24/10 3:23 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:48:13 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Mar 24, 4:02 am, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:48:53 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

hmmm, now that you mentioned it. By flattening out the can and getting
rid of the round edges, it makes it more detectable to radar?

Yes and the more angles and corners the better. Although a simple
right angle would work as well.

With respect to aircraft, it's more a question of size - aircraft are
much larger than a coffee can and have enough complex angles in the
aluminum to provide a return. If you look closely at a stealth
aircraft, there's nothing to provide a significant return. Plus, they
are painted with an absorbant coating dropping their signature to
something smaller than a bird.


Excellent information on th coating, Tom. I wasn't aware of the
reasoning behind that design.


Is that Tom, the guy who'll never darken our door again?



Tom's morphed into another personality, sorta like Dan Krueger does.

jps March 24th 10 07:56 PM

additional navigation lights.
 
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:29:20 -0400, hk
wrote:

On 3/24/10 3:23 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:48:13 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Mar 24, 4:02 am, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:48:53 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

hmmm, now that you mentioned it. By flattening out the can and getting
rid of the round edges, it makes it more detectable to radar?

Yes and the more angles and corners the better. Although a simple
right angle would work as well.

With respect to aircraft, it's more a question of size - aircraft are
much larger than a coffee can and have enough complex angles in the
aluminum to provide a return. If you look closely at a stealth
aircraft, there's nothing to provide a significant return. Plus, they
are painted with an absorbant coating dropping their signature to
something smaller than a bird.

Excellent information on th coating, Tom. I wasn't aware of the
reasoning behind that design.


Is that Tom, the guy who'll never darken our door again?



Tom's morphed into another personality, sorta like Dan Krueger does.


Tom has value, Dan has none.

hk March 24th 10 07:59 PM

additional navigation lights.
 
On 3/24/10 3:56 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:29:20 -0400,
wrote:

On 3/24/10 3:23 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:48:13 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Mar 24, 4:02 am, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:48:53 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

hmmm, now that you mentioned it. By flattening out the can and getting
rid of the round edges, it makes it more detectable to radar?

Yes and the more angles and corners the better. Although a simple
right angle would work as well.

With respect to aircraft, it's more a question of size - aircraft are
much larger than a coffee can and have enough complex angles in the
aluminum to provide a return. If you look closely at a stealth
aircraft, there's nothing to provide a significant return. Plus, they
are painted with an absorbant coating dropping their signature to
something smaller than a bird.

Excellent information on th coating, Tom. I wasn't aware of the
reasoning behind that design.

Is that Tom, the guy who'll never darken our door again?



Tom's morphed into another personality, sorta like Dan Krueger does.


Tom has value, Dan has none.


Agreed.



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