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additional navigation lights.
nom=de=plume wrote:
"CalifBill" wrote in message ... "mgg" wrote in message ... "Tim" wrote in message ... On Mar 20, 11:04 pm, wrote: On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:34:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: My Marquis has the little Vav. lights on the sides located almost midships, and nothing on the bow. I really think that's an odd arrangement but so be it, and I would think that they should actually be located on the bow so the length of the boat can be juddged at night. a couple questions. would it be better to remove them and go with a bow Nav light? or is it legal to run both green/red on bow and sides at the same time? I'm opting for putting a Nav. llight on the bow myself. Your existing lights are perfectly legal. Most ships have their nav lights mounted on the superstructure. I would imagine so, but to me it doesn't make sense to only be able to judge half the boats length by having a 23' boat look like it's only 12. The boat's length has nothing to do with it. It's a matter of knowing the orientation of the boat, it's rough heading, and what you need to do (or not do) to avoid a collision. Your nav lights are perfectly suited for that purpose. --Mike If they are on the bow, then someone is going to figure it is a small skiff. Aren't most nav lights on or near the bow of most boats??? no |
additional navigation lights.
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 12:06:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Aren't most nav lights on or near the bow of most boats??? No. All the ones in the marina have them at the bow. I don't know about all the possible configurations of powerboats, but the ones I recall had them at the bow. So, where are you getting this claim? -- Nom=de=Plume |
additional navigation lights.
On Mar 21, 11:42*am, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:54:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Mar 21, 5:30*am, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 05:01:38 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: I would imagine so, but to me it doesn't make sense to only be able to judge half the boats length by having a 23' boat look like it's only 12. I don't think it's as easy to judge length at night, despite where the lights are located. Judging length is actually not that important except with very large boats like freighters, or tug boats pulling a barge. *One of the best things a small boat can do to improve its visibility is to install a radar reflector mounted as high off the water as possible. http://www.defender.com/ProductDisplay?id=82874 Mounting can be as simple as suspending from a boat hook held in a fishing *rod holder. That is taken into consideration as well, Wayne. Thanks! *I also have a clip-on white light that is fairly light and battery operated, *and can be suspended from *the windshield if need be. The D-batteries are down low so there is little weight up top. and it's actually about 3 ft. long so that would be at least 3 ft. above the windshield. One of the most important things about nav lights, or any other lights is that you should not be able to see them from the helm. Those folks with that big "all around" white light on the stern are not really serious about going out at night. You should have a stern light that points back and a mast head light that points side and forward but not in the helmsman's line of sight. It should be shielded below and not reflected off the boat forward of the helm. Otherwise it destroys your night vision and prompts people to want "headlights" that destroy everyone elses night vision (besides being illegal) If you actually boat anywhere near a big population center it won't really get dark at night anyway. Around the Estero Bay you can see just fine as soon as you let your eyes get used to the dark. You certainly can see something 100' away better than you would with a spotlight. The spotlight only lights up the particular thing you are looking at, not the thing you weren't expecting a few degrees abeam of your light.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Pardner, I see what you're saying now... http://content.answers.com/main/cont...g/f0196-01.jpg |
additional navigation lights.
On Mar 21, 10:45*am, Tim wrote:
the light on the aft is not suspended like what you would think on a pole, but is in the middle of the stern. It kind of reminds you of a back up light if anything else. http://bestvaluexpress.com/images/uploads/33077.gif |
additional navigation lights.
On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 06:30:50 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 05:01:38 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: I would imagine so, but to me it doesn't make sense to only be able to judge half the boats length by having a 23' boat look like it's only 12. I don't think it's as easy to judge length at night, despite where the lights are located. Judging length is actually not that important except with very large boats like freighters, or tug boats pulling a barge. One of the best things a small boat can do to improve its visibility is to install a radar reflector mounted as high off the water as possible. http://www.defender.com/ProductDisplay?id=82874 Mounting can be as simple as suspending from a boat hook held in a fishing rod holder. Another reason these $5 million dollar boats should have rod holders. I knew it. -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v |
additional navigation lights.
On Mar 21, 8:39*am, (N.L. Eckert) wrote:
The nav rules read that the red & green lights are to be visible from "dead ahead to *2 points abaft the port and starboard beam" . *So your lights quailfy and are legal. *You didn't mention a white light, but that is to be visible *in a *32 point arc. Yours is probably over the windshield or at the stern. Happy boating, *Norm *(boy, do I miss it) Thanks Norm. I would suppose my set up would be described like this w/ exception of the 'radar tower' light http://www.safeboating.org.au/images...ure%20shot.jpg |
additional navigation lights.
the light on the aft is not suspended like what you would think on a pole, but is in the middle of the stern. It kind of reminds you of a back up light if anything else. Based on that nugget of information, it would appear that your boat is lit under international rules versus inland rules. That means there is a companion to the stern light you describe. There should be a forward-facing white light on a pole that plugs into a socket of some sort, probably located on your upper windshield frame. It could also be a light on a pole that is permanently attached, but can be folded down. This forward facing white light, combined with the stern light on the transom combine to satisfy the 32 points of required coverage. Suggest you focus your efforts on finding that other white light (unless you have it and just failed to mention it) rather than the worrying about the red and green lights, which are just fine where they are. |
additional navigation lights.
On Mar 21, 3:21*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:49:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Pick up a copy of the Inland/International navigation rules or read them online - you can also download a copy in PDF format I believe. http://www.amazon.com/Navigation-Rul.../dp/0939837498 http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm Thanks for those links, Tom. I will be doing some studying. I suppose the reason I'm asking all these questions about Nav. Lights is I want to update my boat *to better standards and make it as safe as I can. I'd leave the lights alone for now as long as they are working OK since there are probably other things that need a look. * Running at night is very tricky even for the experienced, and should really be avoided when possible. *Take it real slow, especially the first few times. * Everything that looks familiar during daylight looks entirely different in the dark, and distances are much more difficult to judge accurately. Back in my sailboat days I ran literally thousands of miles in the dark with no incidents and no radar but with a few close calls, some way too close for comfort. *Now that I've gotten used to running with radar at night I would never operate without it if at all possible. * Even radar is not perfect however. *Off the coast of the Dominican Republic we were surprised several times by small wooden fishing skiffs operating 12 or more miles offshore with no lights and no radar image at all. *They are totally invisible until you are almost on them, even in daylight. *They would see us however and either yell or shine a light at us, not a really satisfactory way of navigating. That's one of my reasons for recommending a good radar reflector. Wayne, I don't want to run at night, even on my wide Carlyle Lake. And I dont' plan to, but I wan't my boat to be set up better'n spec. |
additional navigation lights.
On Mar 21, 7:42*pm, John H wrote:
On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 06:30:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 05:01:38 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: I would imagine so, but to me it doesn't make sense to only be able to judge half the boats length by having a 23' boat look like it's only 12. I don't think it's as easy to judge length at night, despite where the lights are located. Judging length is actually not that important except with very large boats like freighters, or tug boats pulling a barge. *One of the best things a small boat can do to improve its visibility is to install a radar reflector mounted as high off the water as possible. http://www.defender.com/ProductDisplay?id=82874 Mounting can be as simple as suspending from a boat hook held in a fishing *rod holder. Another reason these $5 million dollar boats should have rod holders. I knew it. -- John H For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - John, If you bump up to billion dollar boats, they come with rod holders as standard equipment! http://armchairhawaii.com/Attraction...eship/guns.jpg |
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