On Feb 5, 3:54*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
I was looking at a friend's magazine called Marine News (Jan/2010). It has
an interesting article about seaworthiness.

I couldn't find it on the website marinelink.com... guess it's too new. But,
if you get the magazine, it might be worth reading if you employ others on
your boat.

Basically, it discusses a vessel owner's responsibilities for
seaworthiness...

Duty of Vessel Owner to Furnish a Seaworthy Vessel
Under the general maritime law, a vessel owner has a duty to furnish a
seaworthy vessel. A seaworthy vessel is one which is reasonably fit to carry
the cargo it has undertaken to transport. While this duty is absolute, 'the
standard is not perfection, but reasonable fitness; not a ship that will
weather every conceivable storm or withstand every imaginable peril of the
sea, but a vessel reasonably suitable for her intended service.'

--
Nom=de=Plume

That's a good reminder on using common sense. Ive seen people out on
my favorite lakes that will have a 24' pontoon boat with about 25
people on it. it's so bad the the pontoons are about under water. or
an 18' open bow runabout with a load capacity of 7at 150lb. ea. and
there will be 10 adults plus gear hanging all over it.


Sooner or later, sumpin's gotta give.

"Tim" wrote in message
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On Feb 5, 3:54 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
I was looking at a friend's magazine called Marine News (Jan/2010). It has
an interesting article about seaworthiness.

I couldn't find it on the website marinelink.com... guess it's too new.
But,
if you get the magazine, it might be worth reading if you employ others on
your boat.

Basically, it discusses a vessel owner's responsibilities for
seaworthiness...

Duty of Vessel Owner to Furnish a Seaworthy Vessel
Under the general maritime law, a vessel owner has a duty to furnish a
seaworthy vessel. A seaworthy vessel is one which is reasonably fit to
carry
the cargo it has undertaken to transport. While this duty is absolute,
'the
standard is not perfection, but reasonable fitness; not a ship that will
weather every conceivable storm or withstand every imaginable peril of the
sea, but a vessel reasonably suitable for her intended service.'

--
Nom=de=Plume

That's a good reminder on using common sense. Ive seen people out on
my favorite lakes that will have a 24' pontoon boat with about 25
people on it. it's so bad the the pontoons are about under water. or
an 18' open bow runabout with a load capacity of 7at 150lb. ea. and
there will be 10 adults plus gear hanging all over it.

Sooner or later, sumpin's gotta give.


Courts have found ships unseaworthy for a variety of reasons, from what I've
read on the subject, which makes sense. They include lack of bilge pump or
tools or similar, or items in disrepair, etc.

--
Nom=de=Plume

On Feb 5, 5:02*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

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On Feb 5, 3:54 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:



I was looking at a friend's magazine called Marine News (Jan/2010). It has
an interesting article about seaworthiness.

I couldn't find it on the website marinelink.com... guess it's too new.
But,
if you get the magazine, it might be worth reading if you employ others on
your boat.

Basically, it discusses a vessel owner's responsibilities for
seaworthiness...

Duty of Vessel Owner to Furnish a Seaworthy Vessel
Under the general maritime law, a vessel owner has a duty to furnish a
seaworthy vessel. A seaworthy vessel is one which is reasonably fit to
carry
the cargo it has undertaken to transport. While this duty is absolute,
'the
standard is not perfection, but reasonable fitness; not a ship that will
weather every conceivable storm or withstand every imaginable peril of the
sea, but a vessel reasonably suitable for her intended service.'

--
Nom=de=Plume
That's a good reminder on using common sense. *Ive seen people out on
my favorite lakes that will have a 24' pontoon boat with about 25
people on it. it's so bad the the pontoons are about under water. or
an 18' open bow runabout with a load capacity of 7at 150lb. ea. *and
there will be 10 adults plus gear hanging *all over it.

Sooner or later, sumpin's gotta give.

Courts have found ships unseaworthy for a variety of reasons, from what I've
read on the subject, which makes sense. They include lack of bilge pump or
tools or similar, or items in disrepair, etc.

--
Nom=de=Plume

I know you were talking about vessels as if in commercial cargo types,
and it's bad that a lot of safety features are neglected or are sent
out with the threat of horrible weather approaching and having broken
or missing safety devices.

But I see this kind of thing happen on the lakes and rivers quite
frequently with personal craft too. Just because ones boat is in
order, doesn't mean they have to push it with stupidity.

"Tim" wrote in message
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On Feb 5, 5:02 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

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On Feb 5, 3:54 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:



I was looking at a friend's magazine called Marine News (Jan/2010). It
has
an interesting article about seaworthiness.

I couldn't find it on the website marinelink.com... guess it's too new.
But,
if you get the magazine, it might be worth reading if you employ others
on
your boat.

Basically, it discusses a vessel owner's responsibilities for
seaworthiness...

Duty of Vessel Owner to Furnish a Seaworthy Vessel
Under the general maritime law, a vessel owner has a duty to furnish a
seaworthy vessel. A seaworthy vessel is one which is reasonably fit to
carry
the cargo it has undertaken to transport. While this duty is absolute,
'the
standard is not perfection, but reasonable fitness; not a ship that will
weather every conceivable storm or withstand every imaginable peril of
the
sea, but a vessel reasonably suitable for her intended service.'

--
Nom=de=Plume
That's a good reminder on using common sense. Ive seen people out on
my favorite lakes that will have a 24' pontoon boat with about 25
people on it. it's so bad the the pontoons are about under water. or
an 18' open bow runabout with a load capacity of 7at 150lb. ea. and
there will be 10 adults plus gear hanging all over it.

Sooner or later, sumpin's gotta give.

Courts have found ships unseaworthy for a variety of reasons, from what
I've
read on the subject, which makes sense. They include lack of bilge pump or
tools or similar, or items in disrepair, etc.

--
Nom=de=Plume

I know you were talking about vessels as if in commercial cargo types,
and it's bad that a lot of safety features are neglected or are sent
out with the threat of horrible weather approaching and having broken
or missing safety devices.

But I see this kind of thing happen on the lakes and rivers quite
frequently with personal craft too. Just because ones boat is in
order, doesn't mean they have to push it with stupidity.


Reply: I have no doubt.

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Nom=de=Plume

On Feb 5, 5:51*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

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On Feb 5, 5:02 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:



"Tim" wrote in message

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On Feb 5, 3:54 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

I was looking at a friend's magazine called Marine News (Jan/2010). It
has
an interesting article about seaworthiness.

I couldn't find it on the website marinelink.com... guess it's too new.
But,
if you get the magazine, it might be worth reading if you employ others
on
your boat.

Basically, it discusses a vessel owner's responsibilities for
seaworthiness...

Duty of Vessel Owner to Furnish a Seaworthy Vessel
Under the general maritime law, a vessel owner has a duty to furnish a
seaworthy vessel. A seaworthy vessel is one which is reasonably fit to
carry
the cargo it has undertaken to transport. While this duty is absolute,
'the
standard is not perfection, but reasonable fitness; not a ship that will
weather every conceivable storm or withstand every imaginable peril of
the
sea, but a vessel reasonably suitable for her intended service.'

--
Nom=de=Plume
That's a good reminder on using common sense. Ive seen people out on
my favorite lakes that will have a 24' pontoon boat with about 25
people on it. it's so bad the the pontoons are about under water. or
an 18' open bow runabout with a load capacity of 7at 150lb. ea. and
there will be 10 adults plus gear hanging all over it.

Sooner or later, sumpin's gotta give.

Courts have found ships unseaworthy for a variety of reasons, from what
I've
read on the subject, which makes sense. They include lack of bilge pump or
tools or similar, or items in disrepair, etc.

--
Nom=de=Plume

I know you were talking about vessels as if in commercial cargo types,
and it's bad that a lot of safety features are neglected or are sent
out with the threat of horrible weather approaching *and having broken
or missing safety devices.

But I see this kind of thing happen on the lakes and rivers quite
frequently with personal craft *too. Just because ones boat is in
order, doesn't mean they have to push it with stupidity.

Reply: I have no doubt.

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Nom=de=Plume

It's amazing what you can see at a lake on a holiday weekend.

But on the lighter side, I always get a chuckle out of threads like
this one:

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/009598.html

nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On Feb 5, 3:54 pm, wrote:

I was looking at a friend's magazine called Marine News (Jan/2010). It has
an interesting article about seaworthiness.

I couldn't find it on the website marinelink.com... guess it's too new.
But,
if you get the magazine, it might be worth reading if you employ others on
your boat.

Basically, it discusses a vessel owner's responsibilities for
seaworthiness...

Duty of Vessel Owner to Furnish a Seaworthy Vessel
Under the general maritime law, a vessel owner has a duty to furnish a
seaworthy vessel. A seaworthy vessel is one which is reasonably fit to
carry
the cargo it has undertaken to transport. While this duty is absolute,
'the
standard is not perfection, but reasonable fitness; not a ship that will
weather every conceivable storm or withstand every imaginable peril of the
sea, but a vessel reasonably suitable for her intended service.'

--
Nom=de=Plume


That's a good reminder on using common sense. Ive seen people out on
my favorite lakes that will have a 24' pontoon boat with about 25
people on it. it's so bad the the pontoons are about under water. or
an 18' open bow runabout with a load capacity of 7at 150lb. ea. and
there will be 10 adults plus gear hanging all over it.

Sooner or later, sumpin's gotta give.


Courts have found ships unseaworthy for a variety of reasons, from what I've
read on the subject, which makes sense. They include lack of bilge pump or
tools or similar, or items in disrepair, etc.



A failure like that wouldn't matter if one or one hundred were on board.

"Tim" wrote in message
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On Feb 5, 3:54 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
I was looking at a friend's magazine called Marine News (Jan/2010). It has
an interesting article about seaworthiness.

I couldn't find it on the website marinelink.com... guess it's too new.
But,
if you get the magazine, it might be worth reading if you employ others on
your boat.

Basically, it discusses a vessel owner's responsibilities for
seaworthiness...

Duty of Vessel Owner to Furnish a Seaworthy Vessel
Under the general maritime law, a vessel owner has a duty to furnish a
seaworthy vessel. A seaworthy vessel is one which is reasonably fit to
carry
the cargo it has undertaken to transport. While this duty is absolute,
'the
standard is not perfection, but reasonable fitness; not a ship that will
weather every conceivable storm or withstand every imaginable peril of the
sea, but a vessel reasonably suitable for her intended service.'

--
Nom=de=Plume

That's a good reminder on using common sense. Ive seen people out on
my favorite lakes that will have a 24' pontoon boat with about 25
people on it. it's so bad the the pontoons are about under water. or
an 18' open bow runabout with a load capacity of 7at 150lb. ea. and
there will be 10 adults plus gear hanging all over it.


Sooner or later, sumpin's gotta give.

18' boat? Try a 14' boat.
http://www.amr-sanjoaquin.net/images...g_accident.pdf

On Feb 5, 5:34*pm, "Bill McKee" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

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On Feb 5, 3:54 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:



I was looking at a friend's magazine called Marine News (Jan/2010). It has
an interesting article about seaworthiness.

I couldn't find it on the website marinelink.com... guess it's too new.
But,
if you get the magazine, it might be worth reading if you employ others on
your boat.

Basically, it discusses a vessel owner's responsibilities for
seaworthiness...

Duty of Vessel Owner to Furnish a Seaworthy Vessel
Under the general maritime law, a vessel owner has a duty to furnish a
seaworthy vessel. A seaworthy vessel is one which is reasonably fit to
carry
the cargo it has undertaken to transport. While this duty is absolute,
'the
standard is not perfection, but reasonable fitness; not a ship that will
weather every conceivable storm or withstand every imaginable peril of the
sea, but a vessel reasonably suitable for her intended service.'

--
Nom=de=Plume

That's a good reminder on using common sense. *Ive seen people out on
my favorite lakes that will have a 24' pontoon boat with about 25
people on it. it's so bad the the pontoons are about under water. or
an 18' open bow runabout with a load capacity of 7at 150lb. ea. *and
there will be 10 adults plus gear hanging *all over it.

Sooner or later, sumpin's gotta give.

18' boat? *Try a 14' boat.http://www.amr-sanjoaquin.net/images..._June_08-_men_...

"The 10 men were crowded into the 14-foot boat designed for up to six.
There were no flotation devices or lights, Garcia said.
"Exceeding capacity is not even the right word to describe it," said
Garcia of the small boat that was later pulled from the canal.
"They're telling us it started taking on water and sank fairly
quickly."

No kidding, it sank fairly quickly.

Good Lord!

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:15:22 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

That's a good reminder on using common sense. Ive seen people out on
my favorite lakes that will have a 24' pontoon boat with about 25
people on it. it's so bad the the pontoons are about under water.


One thing about a pontoon boat is they have about the same buoyancy
with the pontoons under water as they do with them riding high and
dry. They still have the same amount of displacement.

OK, educate me Terminology aside please, do the pontoons become more
buoyant or get more lift as they descend deeper into the water? Or once
the thing is completely submerged, does it remain the same regardless of
depth.. Oh, and why?

Scotty

On Feb 7, 6:24*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 16:17:25 -0500, I am Tosk





wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:15:22 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

That's a good reminder on using common sense. *Ive seen people out on
my favorite lakes that will have a 24' pontoon boat with about 25
people on it. it's so bad the the pontoons are about under water.

One thing about a pontoon boat is they have about the same buoyancy
with the pontoons under water as they do with them riding high and
dry. They still have the same amount of displacement.

OK, educate me Terminology aside please, do the pontoons become more
buoyant or get more lift as they descend deeper into the water? Or once
the thing is completely submerged, does it remain the same regardless of
depth.. Oh, and why?

Scotty

Buoyancy is basically displacement.
A 20' pontoon boat with 24" tubes will displace about 8000 pounds of
salt water. Even when it is pushed completely under it is still
pushing up with very close to that 8000 pounds (only minus whatever
compression might do to the pontoons). If you have a total load of
7999 pounds it will still be barely floating. Although that is a
theoretical number I have seen them where people had to carefully trim
the load to keep a corner of the deck out of the water. In the end
they finally dunked the engine and had to get towed home.
By then they had drunk enough beer and ****ed it over the side that
they were a little higher in the water
*Any open boat gets most of it's floatation from the fact that the
lowest opening hull is above the water *line. Once you get the
scuppers under, a self bailing boat becomes a self sinking boat.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Thats a good explaination. I wished I'd read your post before I made
mine.