On 28/01/2010 9:44 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:03:20 -0500, wrote:

I think the point is, Obama is just an extension of the last 8
(actually 20) years of Bush/Clinton./Bush.

really? bush tried to get the middle class health insurance?

Neither one did. This Senate bill only makes insurance companies
rich.,

he proposed taxing banks?

I will believe it when I see it.

The guy in the White House is not as important as the people sitting
in the actual seats that direct financial policy and those are the
same guys. Names like Rubin and Summers keep popping up. Geitner and
Bernanke were at ground zero in creating the problem and now we
expect them to clean it up.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over,
expecting a different result.

the difference is that obama is actually trying to bring the middle
class into the political process. all bush did was cut taxes for rich
folks

Obama has continued paying off the rich. His financial advisors are
the same weasels who got us in this mess in the first place. His
direct advisor was Clinton's Treasury secretary who pushed the major
deregulation that sunk us.

Quite correct. Nothing like giveing the wolves more chickens to watch.

On 27/01/2010 10:14 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:17:41 -0700,
wrote:

Obama talks a lot and no results but feeding democrat corruption engine.

That corruption engine is bi-partisan.

Some truth to that for sure. But Obama has taken it to a whole new
unprecidented level.

On 27/01/2010 9:23 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On 27/01/2010 3:07 PM, Harry wrote:
On 1/27/10 5:05 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:56:30 -0500,
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On 1/27/10 4:53 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:00:56 -0500, wrote:


2500 for individuals? 5000 for families?

this is a tax increase 'cuz aint no one gonna get insurance at those
prices

AND it's the biggest tax give away for the rich in history. they would
pay no taxes at all.

more typical GOP right wing bull****





Well, sadly, of course. All the right really wants is to avoid
responsibilities, and let the other guy pay the bills.

yeah. it's a MASSIVE tax INCREASE for the middle class: no tax
deductions for mortgages AND we have have to pay for our health
insurance

BUT the rich get the ultimate tax DEDUCTION: they pay no taxes at all.



Well, of course...the middle and lower income classes exist only to
further enrich the rich.

So the democrat way seems to be is to unemploy us all.

Only ex-pats like you.

Funny, I don't need a job and have one. LOL. You? Unemployment runs
out when?

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 27/01/2010 9:23 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On 27/01/2010 3:07 PM, Harry wrote:
On 1/27/10 5:05 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:56:30 -0500,
wrote:

On 1/27/10 4:53 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:00:56 -0500,
wrote:


2500 for individuals? 5000 for families?

this is a tax increase 'cuz aint no one gonna get insurance at those
prices

AND it's the biggest tax give away for the rich in history. they
would
pay no taxes at all.

more typical GOP right wing bull****





Well, sadly, of course. All the right really wants is to avoid
responsibilities, and let the other guy pay the bills.

yeah. it's a MASSIVE tax INCREASE for the middle class: no tax
deductions for mortgages AND we have have to pay for our health
insurance

BUT the rich get the ultimate tax DEDUCTION: they pay no taxes at all.



Well, of course...the middle and lower income classes exist only to
further enrich the rich.

So the democrat way seems to be is to unemploy us all.

Only ex-pats like you.

Funny, I don't need a job and have one. LOL. You? Unemployment runs out
when?



I doubt it. You're here a lot. LOL.

Me? I'm a small business owner, which I've said several times. Do you need a
hearing-aid?


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On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:11:08 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 28/01/2010 7:30 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:53:15 -0700,
wrote:



Sure has a funny way of doing it, giving all the debt to the middle
class and the cash to corrupt corporations. Don't forget, Bush hardly
signed any money away. It was Obama who signed the checks to the banks
and GM. Bush only gave GM enough to hobble to Obama is officially my
mama day.


guess the idiot would have preferred 25% unemployment like we had in
the 29 crash.

of course, the unemployed would be middle class, so he doesn't care

You have it, and just like the day after Obama spend-talk-a-lot the
market dipped.

the market's up 50% since obama took office. you righties just dont
follow the news. that's what you get for letting limbaugh tell you
what to think


Because capitalists know you can't debt-spend your way to prosperity.

uh no. capitalists in the US have socialized risk and privatized
wealth, courtesy of the right wing


I read an interesting article about government debt. How with taxes and
dollar devaluation the average standard of living in the USA and Canada
is going to take a wild dive in the next decade as more people in the
world compete for limited resurces. That the worlds population is going
to mandate a much lower standard of living, and Americans will not have
the cash to buy goods like before. Interesting read incinuationg this
is WWW III or global socialism and leaderships are pandering to it.

we didn't have the cash for the last 8 years. but bush and his crony
thugs just ran the credit card out to the max

On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:44:22 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:03:20 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

I think the point is, Obama is just an extension of the last 8
(actually 20) years of Bush/Clinton./Bush.

really? bush tried to get the middle class health insurance?

Neither one did. This Senate bill only makes insurance companies
rich.,

i prefer socialized medicine, too. but the right would never go for
it. too efficient and doesnt make them money


he proposed taxing banks?

I will believe it when I see it.

me too. the right will never permit it. only the little people pay
taxes, as the billionaire leona helmsley once said


the difference is that obama is actually trying to bring the middle
class into the political process. all bush did was cut taxes for rich
folks

Obama has continued paying off the rich

he had to. the rich left us no choice. they own everything as it is.
THEN they complain when obama proposes a small tax

.. His financial advisors are
the same weasels who got us in this mess in the first place. His
direct advisor was Clinton's Treasury secretary who pushed the major
deregulation that sunk us.

really? greenspan is in obama's administration?

do tell!

Don White wrote:

Does that mean we should all go running around in circles screaming
"The sky is falling"?
Ask your mommy - or Harry. Alternatively, you could learn to think for
yourself but it may be too late for that.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:56:20 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:35:18 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

the same weasels who got us in this mess in the first place. His
direct advisor was Clinton's Treasury secretary who pushed the major
deregulation that sunk us.

really? greenspan is in obama's administration?

do tell!

Greenspan was fed chair Summers was Sec treasury..

Geithner, Summers, Bernanke, Rubin .. sound familiar? All were in the
belly of the beast when the economy crashed. They are still there.

and greenspan drove the truckbomb into the US economy by screaming,
for the last 30 years, how only a free market was efficient

until last year when he admitted he was wrong

On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:09:43 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:36:24 -0500, bpuharic wrote:



and greenspan drove the truckbomb into the US economy by screaming,
for the last 30 years, how only a free market was efficient

until last year when he admitted he was wrong


... and Geithner was his right hand man as President of the New York
Federal Reserve Bank. Summers was pushing the deregulation in
1999-2000 along with Rubin and Greenie. Greenspan is the only one who
admits it was a mistake. The rest are staying the course.


no question that the free market fundamentalist religion has been
driving the US economy since reagan. now, finally, even geither has
seen that it was all smoke and mirrors

NOW if only the GOP will see the same and quit preaching that
unregulated free markets make the rich richer so it's good for the
middle class

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On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:00:59 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

... and Geithner was his right hand man as President of the New York
Federal Reserve Bank. Summers was pushing the deregulation in
1999-2000 along with Rubin and Greenie. Greenspan is the only one who
admits it was a mistake. The rest are staying the course.


no question that the free market fundamentalist religion has been
driving the US economy since reagan. now, finally, even geither has
seen that it was all smoke and mirrors

NOW if only the GOP will see the same and quit preaching that
unregulated free markets make the rich richer so it's good for the
middle class

In all fairness, the Reagan deregulation was not the problem. It was
when the Bush/Clinton/Bust free marketeers took over that they really
stripped away any similance of a fair market (free doesn't have to
mean unfair)
They have tipped the scales so a few rich people run the world but
that idea was originally advanced by what the left called "wingnuts".
Remember when you were ridiculing those people who warned you about
the Bilderburgers and other secret societies? Well they are the
bankers who raped the country. Just look at the names that pop up
when you investigate these groups. I have never bought into the whole
conspiracy theory but there is a thread of truth in it..


What?? Reagan's deregulation was the problem... banks, airlines, media,
healthcare industry, etc.


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