On 1/27/10 4:53 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:00:56 -0500, wrote:


Just finished reading this. It's worth consideration, I think.

Short summary can be viewed and read he

http://www.house.gov/ryan/press_rele...mapSummary.pdf


Detailed report with the numbers to back it up he

http://www.house.gov/budget_republic...tirereport.pdf

Have fun,
Eisboch

looks like ryan's never tried to find health insurance for him or his
family

2500 for individuals? 5000 for families?

this is a tax increase 'cuz aint no one gonna get insurance at those
prices

AND it's the biggest tax give away for the rich in history. they would
pay no taxes at all.

more typical GOP right wing bull****





Well, sadly, of course. All the right really wants is to avoid
responsibilities, and let the other guy pay the bills.

On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:56:30 -0500, Harry
wrote:

On 1/27/10 4:53 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:00:56 -0500, wrote:


2500 for individuals? 5000 for families?

this is a tax increase 'cuz aint no one gonna get insurance at those
prices

AND it's the biggest tax give away for the rich in history. they would
pay no taxes at all.

more typical GOP right wing bull****





Well, sadly, of course. All the right really wants is to avoid
responsibilities, and let the other guy pay the bills.

yeah. it's a MASSIVE tax INCREASE for the middle class: no tax
deductions for mortgages AND we have have to pay for our health
insurance

BUT the rich get the ultimate tax DEDUCTION: they pay no taxes at all.

On 1/27/10 5:05 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:56:30 -0500,
wrote:

On 1/27/10 4:53 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:00:56 -0500, wrote:


2500 for individuals? 5000 for families?

this is a tax increase 'cuz aint no one gonna get insurance at those
prices

AND it's the biggest tax give away for the rich in history. they would
pay no taxes at all.

more typical GOP right wing bull****





Well, sadly, of course. All the right really wants is to avoid
responsibilities, and let the other guy pay the bills.

yeah. it's a MASSIVE tax INCREASE for the middle class: no tax
deductions for mortgages AND we have have to pay for our health
insurance

BUT the rich get the ultimate tax DEDUCTION: they pay no taxes at all.



Well, of course...the middle and lower income classes exist only to
further enrich the rich.

On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:07:44 -0500, Harry
wrote:

On 1/27/10 5:05 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:56:30 -0500,
wrote:


yeah. it's a MASSIVE tax INCREASE for the middle class: no tax
deductions for mortgages AND we have have to pay for our health
insurance

BUT the rich get the ultimate tax DEDUCTION: they pay no taxes at all.



Well, of course...the middle and lower income classes exist only to
further enrich the rich.

what's frustrating is how often they vote for the rich.

On 27/01/2010 3:07 PM, Harry wrote:
On 1/27/10 5:05 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:56:30 -0500,
wrote:

On 1/27/10 4:53 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:00:56 -0500, wrote:


2500 for individuals? 5000 for families?

this is a tax increase 'cuz aint no one gonna get insurance at those
prices

AND it's the biggest tax give away for the rich in history. they would
pay no taxes at all.

more typical GOP right wing bull****





Well, sadly, of course. All the right really wants is to avoid
responsibilities, and let the other guy pay the bills.

yeah. it's a MASSIVE tax INCREASE for the middle class: no tax
deductions for mortgages AND we have have to pay for our health
insurance

BUT the rich get the ultimate tax DEDUCTION: they pay no taxes at all.



Well, of course...the middle and lower income classes exist only to
further enrich the rich.

So the democrat way seems to be is to unemploy us all.

On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:00:56 -0500, Eisboch wrote:

Just finished reading this. It's worth consideration, I think.

Short summary can be viewed and read he

http://www.house.gov/ryan/press_rele...pressreleases/
RoadmapSummary.pdf


Detailed report with the numbers to back it up he

http://www.house.gov/budget_republicans/entitlement/
roadmap_detailed_entirereport.pdf

Have fun,
Eisboch

Nothing for nothing, but after the response of the American people to the
sausage making of health care reform, I expect these wide-sweeping road
maps to be a thing of the past. Health care reform is one thing. A year
ago, everyone seemed to want it, but this guy wants to overhaul health
care, medicare, social security, *and* taxes. DOA

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:00:56 -0500, Eisboch wrote:

Just finished reading this. It's worth consideration, I think.

Short summary can be viewed and read he

http://www.house.gov/ryan/press_rele...pressreleases/
RoadmapSummary.pdf


Detailed report with the numbers to back it up he

http://www.house.gov/budget_republicans/entitlement/
roadmap_detailed_entirereport.pdf

Have fun,
Eisboch

Nothing for nothing, but after the response of the American people to the
sausage making of health care reform, I expect these wide-sweeping road
maps to be a thing of the past. Health care reform is one thing. A year
ago, everyone seemed to want it, but this guy wants to overhaul health
care, medicare, social security, *and* taxes. DOA


His roadmap isn't perfect ... or maybe even feasible ... but band-aid
approaches to each crisis isn't going to work either.
It's really time to re-think economics in this global economy and then plan
and act accordingly. The programs and solutions being beaten to death in
D.C. aren't going to solve anything, long term.

Eisboch

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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:00:56 -0500, Eisboch wrote:

Just finished reading this. It's worth consideration, I think.

Short summary can be viewed and read he

http://www.house.gov/ryan/press_rele...pressreleases/
RoadmapSummary.pdf


Detailed report with the numbers to back it up he

http://www.house.gov/budget_republicans/entitlement/
roadmap_detailed_entirereport.pdf

Have fun,
Eisboch

Nothing for nothing, but after the response of the American people to the
sausage making of health care reform, I expect these wide-sweeping road
maps to be a thing of the past. Health care reform is one thing. A year
ago, everyone seemed to want it, but this guy wants to overhaul health
care, medicare, social security, *and* taxes. DOA


His roadmap isn't perfect ... or maybe even feasible ... but band-aid
approaches to each crisis isn't going to work either.
It's really time to re-think economics in this global economy and then plan
and act accordingly. The programs and solutions being beaten to death in
D.C. aren't going to solve anything, long term.

Your problem is that our system works with the band-aid method. There is
no long term view when it comes to economics. Congress turns over every
two years and each new congress comes in with its own ideas of what to
do and how to do it.

On 27/01/2010 6:08 PM, Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
t...
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:00:56 -0500, Eisboch wrote:

Just finished reading this. It's worth consideration, I think.

Short summary can be viewed and read he

http://www.house.gov/ryan/press_rele...pressreleases/
RoadmapSummary.pdf


Detailed report with the numbers to back it up he

http://www.house.gov/budget_republicans/entitlement/
roadmap_detailed_entirereport.pdf

Have fun,
Eisboch

Nothing for nothing, but after the response of the American people to the
sausage making of health care reform, I expect these wide-sweeping road
maps to be a thing of the past. Health care reform is one thing. A year
ago, everyone seemed to want it, but this guy wants to overhaul health
care, medicare, social security, *and* taxes. DOA


His roadmap isn't perfect ... or maybe even feasible ... but band-aid
approaches to each crisis isn't going to work either.
It's really time to re-think economics in this global economy and then plan
and act accordingly. The programs and solutions being beaten to death in
D.C. aren't going to solve anything, long term.

Eisboch

Agreed. And the only thing Obama made sense with is government cuts in
spending.

Trouble is, I don't believe he is succinct. How can you be overspending
by $2 trillion a year, promise more can save $30 billion and balance the
budget?

I would say his roadmap has no hope in hell. More BS talk.

I still say government wants health care for the revenue skiming.

On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:08:44 -0500, Eisboch wrote:


His roadmap isn't perfect ... or maybe even feasible ... but band-aid
approaches to each crisis isn't going to work either. It's really time
to re-think economics in this global economy and then plan and act
accordingly. The programs and solutions being beaten to death in D.C.
aren't going to solve anything, long term.

Yeah, but, is it the government's job to rethink the economics?
Governments are for tweaking, perhaps giving direction, and, if
necessary, saving our economic asses. More than that, would scare the
hell out of me. I'll give you, tax code simplification would be a good
thing, but an overhaul, is very unlikely. I'd like to see more support
for our small business engine, as opposed to the multinationals. Obama
seems to support this, and, I'd like to see health care untied from
business. The competitive disadvantage it puts on our businesses is
considerable, but, other than those things, I think we are quite
resilient, and will recover nicely. Not as fast as I would like, or
those who are hurting would like, but there is no magic wand.