On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:29:31 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:49:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

No, it is only about 90 million of us. The baby boomers are all either
retired or planning to be retired soon. The generation older than them
is retired. A simple fact is old people are a whole lot more
politically active than the rest of society. They may not be blogging
and putting bumper stickers n their cars but they do actually show up
at the polls. That is why the law is the way it is.

BTW I am not really a right winger. I may be to the left of you on
some issues.


I don't know where you're getting your numbers, but most baby boomers will
be working for 10+ years, even longer now probably due to the recession and
diminution of their savings. Most baby boomers didn't save much, besides.

I don't know anyone in their 60s among my friends who is still working
but maybe we were just smart enough not to **** away every dime we
made. I retired in 1996 at 49 and ran a small business for a few years
but I am totally retired right now. All of my friends went straight
into retirement.

i didn't **** away anything

goldman sachs did.

i saved hard. since my 20's. every year.

and the GOP deregulated me right into working forever

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:11:17 -0500, Bruce wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 02:29:00 -0500, wrote:


On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:34:23 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


Heh.. that would be a pretty big assumption. The previous post indicated
"those making less than $65K" vs. "the rich."

Again, the assertion was the cap gains rate only benefits the rich. I
guarantee you there are a lot of people around here who are not rich
and benefit from this

a few. but MOST middle class people do NOT report most of their
income on 1099. they report it on w2.

that is they work for a living.

NOW you right wingers are saying all americans are retired.

perhaps you have the unemployed that you right wingers caused confused
with retired folks

Typical sour grapes post. "all Americans"? Where did you get that?

see his statement about how folks don't need to work 'cuz they're all
retired.

they're not.

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:04:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:46:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:





All that does is raise the overall tax bar. Eventually the taxes paid by
all will go up
proportionally or consistent with a progressive tax structure.

Taxes for the government is like honey to bears.

and wages paid to the middle class is viewed by companies as an
unnecessary expense.


Oh, please.

Isn't that chip on your shoulder starting to get sorta heavy?

oh please. have you looked at your 401K?



Eisboch

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:58:16 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:




A key and necessary ingredient to a successful company is growth.

growth in what?

productivity. and you can do this by reducing headcount and making
people 'work harder'.

Growth is
not possible
without the contributions of qualified and competent employees. Profit
optimization is also key and automation may replace people for some jobs,
but overall the health and future prosperity of a company is largely
dependent on it's employees and growth means more of them. Any honest
business owner knows this. For any product or service there is an ideal $$
in revenue per employee ratio to strive for.

or you j ust make 'em work longer hours, no vacation etc

americans already work 20% more than any other country in the
industrialized world. american workers have been sold a bill of goods
so long they honestly believe it

the social democracies of europe are just as rich as we are. they have
more vacation and universal healthcare

but our rich folks are richer than their rich folks. and to the right
wing, that's the only thing that matters


That's where the current economic geniuses in Washington have missed the
boat while they have their noses stuck in their textbook reviews of
Keynesian economics. Contrary to popular current opinion, not all business
is bad and growing businesses create jobs.

for businesses to grow you need people to spend

people only spend if they have a good income and feel secure in their
jobs

how's that working out?

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On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:40:09 -0500, Harry
wrote:

The top brackets ought to be paying 49%, and there should be no cap on
earnings subject to social security and medicare taxes.

As long as the top 1% controls 50% of the campaign contributions and
100% of the media you won't see that. They may pass that as the
published top rate but there will be enough tax shelters and loopholes
so they won't actually pay that.
The government has a long rich history of using the tax code to drive
social policy. If you do politically correct things you get tax
breaks, big ones.

Is why there will never be a flat tax. Taxation is the ultimate
control.



A flat tax is regressive.

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Nom=de=Plume


Actually is neither Regressive or Progressive.



You're just wrong. I don't know how to say it politely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_tax


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Nom=de=Plume


I will state it impolitely. You are stupid. By definition a Flat tax is
neither progressive or regressive. It is a set percentage. If you give an
exemption to lower income, it is modified flat tax and is then slightly
progressive.

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:26:38 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:55:46 -0500, bpuharic wrote:


and the SCOTUS just ****ed us again. they ruled companies can do
whatever they want in terms of paying for campaigns.

this country, courtesy of the right wing, may be doomed

Oh yee of little faith. While I'll agree the SCOTUS decision is the
absolutely wrong one, you are starting to sound like a Republican,

given the fact 1 senator can deny healthcare to millions, our
political process is seriously ****ed up. it's time to disband the
senate

all
doom and gloom. If there is one thing I have learned, in my short time
on this planet, is this country is incredibly resilient. It's people are
the hardest working, most creative, people you will find. We have faced
far more difficult challenges than this current SCOTUS. We will survive,
and we will prosper. Hell, eight years of Bush hasn't killed us. Need I
say more?

you have a point. i hope folks dont forget bush. but it looks like
mebbe they are.

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:42:10 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:26:38 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:55:46 -0500, bpuharic wrote:


and the SCOTUS just ****ed us again. they ruled companies can do
whatever they want in terms of paying for campaigns.

this country, courtesy of the right wing, may be doomed

Oh yee of little faith. While I'll agree the SCOTUS decision is the
absolutely wrong one, you are starting to sound like a Republican, all
doom and gloom. If there is one thing I have learned, in my short time
on this planet, is this country is incredibly resilient. It's people are
the hardest working, most creative, people you will find. We have faced
far more difficult challenges than this current SCOTUS. We will survive,
and we will prosper. Hell, eight years of Bush hasn't killed us. Need I
say more?

It's OK for Democrats to bribe each other with taxpayer money, but not
OK for both Democrats and Republicans to recieve corporate money.

Liberal thinking is quite strange.

now let's see...which justices voted to allow even MORE corruption in
the system?

oh...the conservative ones

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:00:38 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:53:33 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

but this is IRRELEVANT. because the WEALTHIEST pay only 15%.

yes, that's right ladies and gennulmen...the richest people in america
have a tax rate

less than the poorest people in america.


Umm
The bottom 42% don't pay any income taxes at all.
That is a zero rate.

sure they do. they pay sales tax, FICA, etc. conservatives just dont
think these count

I agree they should make the cap gains tax progressive with the
ability to average over several years to account for a one time
windfall.

makes sense to me.

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:58:42 -0500, Bruce wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:21:58 -0500, wrote:


the rich got a HUGE tax break as their incomes skyrocketed


Same taxes. What's wrong with success?

?? how is raiding the middle class via CDO's to enrich goldman sach
'success'?

it's theft. but the right calls it 'success'

which is one reason this country is ****ed

bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:42:10 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:26:38 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:55:46 -0500, bpuharic wrote:


and the SCOTUS just ****ed us again. they ruled companies can do
whatever they want in terms of paying for campaigns.

this country, courtesy of the right wing, may be doomed
Oh yee of little faith. While I'll agree the SCOTUS decision is the
absolutely wrong one, you are starting to sound like a Republican, all
doom and gloom. If there is one thing I have learned, in my short time
on this planet, is this country is incredibly resilient. It's people are
the hardest working, most creative, people you will find. We have faced
far more difficult challenges than this current SCOTUS. We will survive,
and we will prosper. Hell, eight years of Bush hasn't killed us. Need I
say more?
It's OK for Democrats to bribe each other with taxpayer money, but not
OK for both Democrats and Republicans to recieve corporate money.

Liberal thinking is quite strange.

now let's see...which justices voted to allow even MORE corruption in
the system?

oh...the conservative ones



I can't wait to see the Venezuelan oil company ads... :)