On 22/01/2010 7:05 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:38:15 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


I hope you're right. I'm an optimistic person, but this ruling is pretty
extreme. It's going to take a lot of Congressional action to nullify it, and
I'm not sure Congress is up for the task.

Since this is a court decision it might take a constitutional
amendment to fix it. I haven't read the decision yet but it might say
they have a constitutional right to buy politicians. They have been
doing it right along but now it is sanctioned by the court.

Might as well make bribery legal then, just like all the banana republics.

It could be fixed, but would take a president, congress and senate with
balls and integrity to fix it.

On 22/01/2010 5:48 PM, thunder wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:42:10 -0500, John H wrote:

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:26:38 -0600,
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:55:46 -0500, bpuharic wrote:


and the SCOTUS just ****ed us again. they ruled companies can do
whatever they want in terms of paying for campaigns.

this country, courtesy of the right wing, may be doomed

Oh yee of little faith. While I'll agree the SCOTUS decision is the
absolutely wrong one, you are starting to sound like a Republican, all
doom and gloom. If there is one thing I have learned, in my short time
on this planet, is this country is incredibly resilient. It's people
are the hardest working, most creative, people you will find. We have
faced far more difficult challenges than this current SCOTUS. We will
survive, and we will prosper. Hell, eight years of Bush hasn't killed
us. Need I say more?

It's OK for Democrats to bribe each other with taxpayer money, but not
OK for both Democrats and Republicans to recieve corporate money.

Liberal thinking is quite strange.

When a multinational based in China, the communist one, decides to take
an interest in our elections, tell me again how strange Liberal thinking
is.

So? Are you now imposing who can bribe who? You mean only democrats
can accept bribes?

LMAO - typical liberal-democrat bull****.

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:24:10 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:24:52 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

goldman sachs did.

i saved hard. since my 20's. every year.

and the GOP deregulated me right into working forever

I suggest that before you blame this all on the GOP you look at the
votes on the 2 major deregulation bills ... and the president that
signed them.

you mean the president the GOP impeached? yeah. looks like he had ALOT
of control over congress, right?


BTW if you are still hurt from the correction a couple years ago you
were not properly diversified. I only have one major holding that is
still a loser (EXP). My IBM stock is doing better than it was in 2006.
FLR is still a "double". CLNE is more like 4- 5x from 2006.

ROFLMAO!! me and 100M other americans. you right wingers really love
to hate the middle class, don't you?

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:53:41 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:04:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


Oh, please.

Isn't that chip on your shoulder starting to get sorta heavy?



oh please. have you looked at your 401K?


I have very little invested in the stock market. None in a 401K.
I am not much of a gambler with our future financial security.
The $$ that I *did* invest in 2000 has more than tripled.
Might buy another boat.

Eisboch

unfortunately the right wing has destroyed pensions in this country so
the middle class only has 401K's left to help us retire


that's why the right stole those, too.

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:03:48 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 22/01/2010 8:26 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:04:11 -0500, wrote:


Isn't that chip on your shoulder starting to get sorta heavy?

oh please. have you looked at your 401K?

I have, up about 40% from 3 years ago, sure beats bank interest. Have
to write Obama and thank the liberals for the volitility.

the stock market has gone up from 6500 to 10500 under obama.

you think obama's been president for 8 years. you guys can't read a
calendar

But I must admit, less than 25% of my portfolio I would classify as
buy-hold and I administer it myself. I don't rely on corrupted so
called advisors and mutuals.

yeah. wall street is corrupt

courtesy of the right wing

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:41:35 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:26:12 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

oh please. have you looked at your 401K?

Blame the 401k manager, There was plenty of money to be made.

and every 401K manager did the same thing. yes, there was plenty of
money to be made

and the chairman of goldman sachs, lehman, etc. made it all. and
screwed the middle class


The reality is 401ks are a ripoff. The managers are more interested in
the fees you pay them than making you money ... and the tax man is
going to hold you down and screw you when you try to get that money
out.

No capital gains break on a 401k.

agreed. and the right is the group that destroyed pensions in this
country and left the 401K as the only financial mechanism to help the
middle class retire

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:31:44 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 22/01/2010 5:38 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
t...
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:55:46 -0500, bpuharic wrote:


and the SCOTUS just ****ed us again. they ruled companies can do
whatever they want in terms of paying for campaigns.

this country, courtesy of the right wing, may be doomed

Oh yee of little faith. While I'll agree the SCOTUS decision is the
absolutely wrong one, you are starting to sound like a Republican, all
doom and gloom. If there is one thing I have learned, in my short time
on this planet, is this country is incredibly resilient. It's people are
the hardest working, most creative, people you will find. We have faced
far more difficult challenges than this current SCOTUS. We will survive,
and we will prosper. Hell, eight years of Bush hasn't killed us. Need I
say more?


I hope you're right. I'm an optimistic person, but this ruling is pretty
extreme. It's going to take a lot of Congressional action to nullify it, and
I'm not sure Congress is up for the task.

Who do you think appoints the SCOTUS? Didn't see any new
liberal-democrat Obama appointees oppose it.

in the last 30 years, dems have appointed 3 justices. the GOP has
appointed 7.



Perhaps we should have a truce. Does not mater be you left or right,
statism and corruption is the enemy here. Governmetn is now large
enough it works for itself and not the people. The US government (any
party) has the most corruption as they have most of the money.

Statism and corruption destroy left and right wealth. Everyone looses.

it's not that government is too large. it's that it's been captured by
the very people it's supposed to regulate, and has often turned
against the people who give it its power

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:54:05 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:33:47 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

but this is IRRELEVANT. because the WEALTHIEST pay only 15%.

yes, that's right ladies and gennulmen...the richest people in america
have a tax rate

less than the poorest people in america.


Umm
The bottom 42% don't pay any income taxes at all.
That is a zero rate.

sure they do. they pay sales tax, FICA, etc. conservatives just dont
think these count

A also agree FICA is regressive (after all SS was sold as some kind of
"insurance" with a capped benefit wasn't it?) but sales taxes are flat

the poor spend a greater percentage of their income on basics such as
food, clothing, housing, medical care, etc.

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:52:45 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 22/01/2010 8:35 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:58:42 -0500, wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:21:58 -0500, wrote:


the rich got a HUGE tax break as their incomes skyrocketed


Same taxes. What's wrong with success?

?? how is raiding the middle class via CDO's to enrich goldman sach
'success'?

it's theft. but the right calls it 'success'

which is one reason this country is ****ed

If you don't like Goldman getting all these bailout benefits, then
consider voting for someone who will not make it happen. And we know
Obama and the democrats love bailouts.

you guys think obama's been president for 8 years. the bailout plan
was developed by bernanke under bush. obama wasn't president when the
depression began in dec of 2007.


Hell, you thought you were voting for a socilaist and got a marxist. LMAO.

i love right wing thinking

proof that obama's a marxist is that he helped bailout wall street.

beautiful!

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:49:12 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 22/01/2010 6:58 PM, Bruce wrote:
bpuharic wrote:


Same taxes. What's wrong with success?


Liberal losers feel entitled and evnvious of sucess.

to the right wing, the average middle class worker is a loser.

that kind of says it all.