Bolt Upright wrote:
On 1/22/2010 4:41 PM, Dave Moorman wrote:
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"Dave wrote in message
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In , lil
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http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/...ntering-lake-m

ich
igan.html

Time to learn how to cook carp!

Got a recipe? So far, every recipe seems to taste like sh*&t from
what I'm
reading.

--Mike

They had a feature about cooking carp on the WGN news. Apparently it
has a bit more flavor and is not quite as flaky as some fish. I'm not
much of a fish eater, but it seems like most of the flavor comes from
the sauce, anyway.

Could be good resource for the cat food industry, plus it would not
have to be shipped from China.

Well, maybe. But what if it wipes out the sport and commercial fishery
in the Great Lakes?
I don't think they were eating the Asian Carp. you can't catch them on a
hook and line either.
This was a PR thing by and for the hand full of shippers and Illinois
Politicians. They don't give a damn if the US turns into another third
world country in all degrees as long as their pockets are filled.

On 1/22/2010 9:10 PM, lil abner wrote:
Bolt Upright wrote:
On 1/22/2010 4:41 PM, Dave Moorman wrote:
In ,
wrote:

"Dave wrote in message
...
In , lil
wrote:

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/...ntering-lake-m

ich
igan.html
Time to learn how to cook carp!
Got a recipe? So far, every recipe seems to taste like sh*&t from
what I'm
reading.

--Mike
They had a feature about cooking carp on the WGN news. Apparently it
has a bit more flavor and is not quite as flaky as some fish. I'm not
much of a fish eater, but it seems like most of the flavor comes from
the sauce, anyway.

Could be good resource for the cat food industry, plus it would not
have to be shipped from China.
Well, maybe. But what if it wipes out the sport and commercial
fishery in the Great Lakes?
I don't think they were eating the Asian Carp. you can't catch them on
a hook and line either.
This was a PR thing by and for the hand full of shippers and Illinois
Politicians. They don't give a damn if the US turns into another third
world country in all degrees as long as their pockets are filled.
That's what I thought too, and what I was afraid of. They are far more
concerned with keeping the canal open than they are about the ecological
risk.

In article ,
Bolt Upright wrote:

Could be good resource for the cat food industry, plus it would not
have to be shipped from China.
Well, maybe. But what if it wipes out the sport and commercial
fishery in the Great Lakes?
I don't think they were eating the Asian Carp. you can't catch them on
a hook and line either.
This was a PR thing by and for the hand full of shippers and Illinois
Politicians. They don't give a damn if the US turns into another third
world country in all degrees as long as their pockets are filled.
That's what I thought too, and what I was afraid of. They are far more
concerned with keeping the canal open than they are about the ecological
risk.

The carp are going to get into the Great Lakes no matter what we do -
maybe one year from now, maybe 5. It's going to happen.

The canal is a major transportation asset, also, and I can understand
why people want to keep it open.

It would be smart to do some planning and adapting.

Last night on WGN they had an interview with a guy from Rockford who has
worked out a way to make fish meal, which has may uses, from the Asian
carp. His point is that if we harvest them *now* in great numbers from
the canal and make cat food out of them, that will slow down their
advance and make some money for the local economy. What's not to like?

Can they be caught by net?

Dave Moorman wrote:

The canal is a major transportation asset, also, and I can
understand why people want to keep it open.

Why can't they create a lock setup for the canal?

A set of doors and locks that prevents water flowing from the canal into
Lake Michigan but still allows ships to pass through. A set of pumps
and filters or screens to prevent the fish from moving through the locks
when water is moved between them.

Lake Guy wrote:
Dave Moorman wrote:

The canal is a major transportation asset, also, and I can
understand why people want to keep it open.

Why can't they create a lock setup for the canal?

A set of doors and locks that prevents water flowing from the canal into
Lake Michigan but still allows ships to pass through. A set of pumps
and filters or screens to prevent the fish from moving through the locks
when water is moved between them.
Global business doesn't want to.

Lake Guy wrote:
Dave Moorman wrote:


The canal is a major transportation asset, also, and I can
understand why people want to keep it open.

Why can't they create a lock setup for the canal?

A set of doors and locks that prevents water flowing from the canal into
Lake Michigan but still allows ships to pass through. A set of pumps
and filters or screens to prevent the fish from moving through the locks
when water is moved between them.

They already have locks. How can they filter fish out? It's not that
simple.

Bruce wrote:

Why can't they create a lock setup for the canal?

They already have locks. How can they filter fish out? It's not
that simple.

Where are these locks?

They have electrification equipment on the Chicago river - why not put
them in the locks (if these locks really do exist).

When a ship is in the lock and the lake-side lock door is closed, you
turn on the juice force any fish out of the lock and into the river-side
part of the lock, then you close the river-side lock door and open the
lake-side door to let the ship out into the lake, then you close the
lake-side door.

If you always keep the electicity turned on inside the lock chamber,
you'll see if any fish are in there jumping around and deal with them
one way or another.

Throw a bucket of salt into the chamber once per hour to increase
electrical conductivity to really make it nasty for them.

On 31/01/2010 8:19 AM, Lake Guy wrote:
Bruce wrote:

Why can't they create a lock setup for the canal?

They already have locks. How can they filter fish out? It's not
that simple.

Where are these locks?

They have electrification equipment on the Chicago river - why not put
them in the locks (if these locks really do exist).

When a ship is in the lock and the lake-side lock door is closed, you
turn on the juice force any fish out of the lock and into the river-side
part of the lock, then you close the river-side lock door and open the
lake-side door to let the ship out into the lake, then you close the
lake-side door.

If you always keep the electicity turned on inside the lock chamber,
you'll see if any fish are in there jumping around and deal with them
one way or another.

Throw a bucket of salt into the chamber once per hour to increase
electrical conductivity to really make it nasty for them.

It just takes one pair of mating capable to get through.

I wonder if they got through years ago already, 10 years ago used to see
fish looking pretty close to the same up at Port Washington right along
on the weir. Could never catch them with hook and line as they never
bit on anything, just lazy sucking in the water. Which also fits the
profile of these fish. Some were huge too, estimate 15 pounds and up.

Lake Guy wrote:
Bruce wrote:


Why can't they create a lock setup for the canal?


They already have locks. How can they filter fish out? It's not
that simple.

Where are these locks?

They have electrification equipment on the Chicago river - why not put
them in the locks (if these locks really do exist).

When a ship is in the lock and the lake-side lock door is closed, you
turn on the juice force any fish out of the lock and into the river-side
part of the lock, then you close the river-side lock door and open the
lake-side door to let the ship out into the lake, then you close the
lake-side door.

If you always keep the electicity turned on inside the lock chamber,
you'll see if any fish are in there jumping around and deal with them
one way or another.

Throw a bucket of salt into the chamber once per hour to increase
electrical conductivity to really make it nasty for them.

There are 15 locks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinoi...Michigan_Canal