On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:22:17 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:36:58 -0800 (PST), Jack
wrote:

On Dec 30, 12:36*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:00:16 -0500, Tom Francis

wrote:

Well, on this we can agree. *It's an atrocity.

If I was a PETA person I would point out, nobody cares if you round up
a dozen cows in that pen and kill them.
If you do eat meat you have to say "so what"?
At least they died fairly quickly in archery hunting terms and none
crawled off and died a slow death without being recovered.
What would the PETA folks say if it was a pack of wolves that had the
elk trapped in there?

You know, canned hunts are wrong, but I'm kind of with you on this
one. After all: "The hunting season was created to keep elk out of
the residential and farm areas in eastern Skagit County." Well, they
were most definitely in a farm area, the state wildlife commission
felt they needed a hunt to bring the population down, and it
accomplished exactly what they wanted. Unfortunately it was visible
to some cappuccino drinkers passing by, who want their steak medium-
rare on their plate but don't want to think about how it got there.

You're a ****in' idiot, as usual. It was other rural folk who saw it
and thought it was a shameful display of testosterone driven idiocy.

I'm sure you'd have been right there with 'em.

On Dec 31, 6:27*am, jps wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:22:17 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:36:58 -0800 (PST), Jack
wrote:

On Dec 30, 12:36*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:00:16 -0500, Tom Francis

wrote:

Well, on this we can agree. *It's an atrocity.

If I was a PETA person I would point out, nobody cares if you round up
a dozen cows in that pen and kill them.
If you do eat meat you have to say "so what"?
At least they died fairly quickly in archery hunting terms and none
crawled off and died a slow death without being recovered.
What would the PETA folks say if it was a pack of wolves that had the
elk trapped in there?

You know, canned hunts are wrong, but I'm kind of with you on this
one. *After all: "The hunting season was created to keep elk out of
the residential and farm areas in eastern Skagit County." *Well, they
were most definitely in a farm area, the state wildlife commission
felt they needed a hunt to bring the population down, and it
accomplished exactly what they wanted. *Unfortunately it was visible
to some cappuccino drinkers passing by, who want their steak medium-
rare on their plate but don't want to think about how it got there.

You're a ****in' idiot, as usual. *It was other rural folk who saw it
and thought it was a shameful display of testosterone driven idiocy.

I'm sure you'd have been right there with 'em.

So you think all "rural folk" are Daniel Boone-like, and that there
are no liberals, or college educated, or vegans, or PETA members that
live outside the Seattle city limits. That sounds about right for
you. Narrow-minded to the end.

Oh, and I don't bow hunt. But I can field dress a deer. It doesn't
scare me.

Jack wrote:

Oh, and I don't bow hunt. But I can field dress a deer. It doesn't
scare me.


What a man! It's too bad those dangerous deer can't shoot back. I'd pay
good money to see them field dress you.

On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:22:17 -0500, gfretwell wrote:


The last time I was in Chuck county Md a farmer could get a permit to
shoot any deer they saw on their property, night or day. Just turn on
the flood light and blast away. They are 180 pound rats up there,
evidently.

Same here in New Jersey. Deer are like vermin. I would argue hunting is
not an effective way to limit populations. Each year, here in NJ,
hunters take @ 60,000 deer. Yet, the population has remained stable.
Bad winters, or limited mast crop seem to have more effect on the size of
the herd than hunting.

On Dec 31, 6:31*am, thunder wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:22:17 -0500, gfretwell wrote:
The last time I was in Chuck county Md a farmer could get a permit to
shoot any deer they saw on their property, night or day. Just turn on
the flood light and blast away. They are 180 pound rats up there,
evidently.

Same here in New Jersey. *Deer are like vermin. *I would argue hunting is
not an effective way to limit populations. *Each year, here in NJ,
hunters take @ 60,000 deer. *Yet, the population has remained stable. *
Bad winters, or limited mast crop seem to have more effect on the size of
the herd than hunting.

Not an effective means, huh? Ask yourself what the population would
be like without the hunters taking 60k of them out every year?

To help you out, the herd would be... larger. And more destructive.
Because food supplies would be strained, they'd be weak and sickly.
More auto accidents and encroachment on farm and residential lands.

Thinning the herd manages its size and keeps it healthier while
helping to limit its effects on man. That's why its called "game
management".

Jack wrote:
On Dec 31, 6:31 am, thunder wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:22:17 -0500, gfretwell wrote:
The last time I was in Chuck county Md a farmer could get a permit to
shoot any deer they saw on their property, night or day. Just turn on
the flood light and blast away. They are 180 pound rats up there,
evidently.
Same here in New Jersey. Deer are like vermin. I would argue hunting is
not an effective way to limit populations. Each year, here in NJ,
hunters take @ 60,000 deer. Yet, the population has remained stable.
Bad winters, or limited mast crop seem to have more effect on the size of
the herd than hunting.

Not an effective means, huh? Ask yourself what the population would
be like without the hunters taking 60k of them out every year?

To help you out, the herd would be... larger. And more destructive.
Because food supplies would be strained, they'd be weak and sickly.
More auto accidents and encroachment on farm and residential lands.

Thinning the herd manages its size and keeps it healthier while
helping to limit its effects on man. That's why its called "game
management".


It's too bad we've destroyed so much of the habitat wild critters used
to have...and now we use that as an excuse to hunt them. Well, the
upside, I suppose, is that a decent number of hunters end up shooting
each other.

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 05:30:58 -0800, Jack wrote:

On Dec 31, 6:31Â*am, thunder wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:22:17 -0500, gfretwell wrote:
The last time I was in Chuck county Md a farmer could get a permit to
shoot any deer they saw on their property, night or day. Just turn on
the flood light and blast away. They are 180 pound rats up there,
evidently.

Same here in New Jersey. Â*Deer are like vermin. Â*I would argue hunting
is not an effective way to limit populations. Â*Each year, here in NJ,
hunters take @ 60,000 deer. Â*Yet, the population has remained stable.
Bad winters, or limited mast crop seem to have more effect on the size
of the herd than hunting.

Not an effective means, huh? Ask yourself what the population would be
like without the hunters taking 60k of them out every year?

To help you out, the herd would be... larger. And more destructive.
Because food supplies would be strained, they'd be weak and sickly. More
auto accidents and encroachment on farm and residential lands.

That's my point. Here in NJ, food supplies are already strained. In
most places, the land is already at carrying capacity. The herd is
estimated to be 200,000, of which 60,000 are taken yearly. If it weren't
for hunting, I will agree the herd would become weak, sickly, and prone
to collapse, but as for controlling numbers, it ain't working.

Thinning the herd manages its size and keeps it healthier while helping
to limit its effects on man. That's why its called "game management".

And exactly what is it being managed for? It's estimated that hunters
put @ $100 million into the economy each year. I would say that is what
the herd is managed for, not to control numbers. Look, I don't have a
problem with hunting. It's a great outdoor, recreational activity, but
as numbers control, I think it's myth. As you kill deer, birth rates and
survival rates increase. It's the carrying capacity of the land, the
food sources, the mast crop, the winter weather, that control the
numbers, not hunting, IMO.

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:36:58 -0800 (PST), Jack
wrote:

On Dec 30, 12:36*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:00:16 -0500, Tom Francis

wrote:

Well, on this we can agree. *It's an atrocity.

If I was a PETA person I would point out, nobody cares if you round up
a dozen cows in that pen and kill them.
If you do eat meat you have to say "so what"?
At least they died fairly quickly in archery hunting terms and none
crawled off and died a slow death without being recovered.
What would the PETA folks say if it was a pack of wolves that had the
elk trapped in there?

You know, canned hunts are wrong, but I'm kind of with you on this
one. After all: "The hunting season was created to keep elk out of
the residential and farm areas in eastern Skagit County." Well, they
were most definitely in a farm area, the state wildlife commission
felt they needed a hunt to bring the population down, and it
accomplished exactly what they wanted. Unfortunately it was visible
to some cappuccino drinkers passing by, who want their steak medium-
rare on their plate but don't want to think about how it got there.

As long as the elk were dressed and eaten, in the end it wasn't ideal
but it was effective. If there are herds of elk that will stand
around and let themselves be surrounded and fired upon by men out in a
field, they definitely have an elk problem. They need to open the
season back up.

The last time I was in Chuck county Md a farmer could get a permit to
shoot any deer they saw on their property, night or day.
Just turn on the flood light and blast away.
They are 180 pound rats up there, evidently.

Technically, you can shoot a deer in your backyard from your elevated
deck if you are using a bow in Montgomery County, MD. Just make sure you
have the proper hunting license.

In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:36:58 -0800 (PST), Jack
wrote:

On Dec 30, 12:36*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:00:16 -0500, Tom Francis

wrote:

Well, on this we can agree. *It's an atrocity.

If I was a PETA person I would point out, nobody cares if you round up
a dozen cows in that pen and kill them.
If you do eat meat you have to say "so what"?
At least they died fairly quickly in archery hunting terms and none
crawled off and died a slow death without being recovered.
What would the PETA folks say if it was a pack of wolves that had the
elk trapped in there?

You know, canned hunts are wrong, but I'm kind of with you on this
one. After all: "The hunting season was created to keep elk out of
the residential and farm areas in eastern Skagit County." Well, they
were most definitely in a farm area, the state wildlife commission
felt they needed a hunt to bring the population down, and it
accomplished exactly what they wanted. Unfortunately it was visible
to some cappuccino drinkers passing by, who want their steak medium-
rare on their plate but don't want to think about how it got there.

As long as the elk were dressed and eaten, in the end it wasn't ideal
but it was effective. If there are herds of elk that will stand
around and let themselves be surrounded and fired upon by men out in a
field, they definitely have an elk problem. They need to open the
season back up.

The last time I was in Chuck county Md a farmer could get a permit to
shoot any deer they saw on their property, night or day.
Just turn on the flood light and blast away.
They are 180 pound rats up there, evidently.

Technically, you can shoot a deer in your backyard from your elevated
deck if you are using a bow in Montgomery County, MD. Just make sure you
have the proper hunting license.

Or share the meat with any neighbor within eyeshot of your back yard

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 10:25:04 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:36:58 -0800 (PST), Jack
wrote:

On Dec 30, 12:36*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:00:16 -0500, Tom Francis

wrote:

Well, on this we can agree. *It's an atrocity.

If I was a PETA person I would point out, nobody cares if you round up
a dozen cows in that pen and kill them.
If you do eat meat you have to say "so what"?
At least they died fairly quickly in archery hunting terms and none
crawled off and died a slow death without being recovered.
What would the PETA folks say if it was a pack of wolves that had the
elk trapped in there?

You know, canned hunts are wrong, but I'm kind of with you on this
one. After all: "The hunting season was created to keep elk out of
the residential and farm areas in eastern Skagit County." Well, they
were most definitely in a farm area, the state wildlife commission
felt they needed a hunt to bring the population down, and it
accomplished exactly what they wanted. Unfortunately it was visible
to some cappuccino drinkers passing by, who want their steak medium-
rare on their plate but don't want to think about how it got there.

As long as the elk were dressed and eaten, in the end it wasn't ideal
but it was effective. If there are herds of elk that will stand
around and let themselves be surrounded and fired upon by men out in a
field, they definitely have an elk problem. They need to open the
season back up.

The last time I was in Chuck county Md a farmer could get a permit to
shoot any deer they saw on their property, night or day.
Just turn on the flood light and blast away.
They are 180 pound rats up there, evidently.

Technically, you can shoot a deer in your backyard from your elevated
deck if you are using a bow in Montgomery County, MD. Just make sure you
have the proper hunting license.

Don't suppose you'd consider renting your back deck and a bow some
evening, would you?
--
John H

"The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money." --Margaret Thatcher