Hunters can always be trusted to treat the hunted fairly. Good thing
that good hunting practices are being transfered from generation to
generation. Rural folks who live off the land understand the
relationship between man and nature...


CONCRETE, Wash. (AP) - The killing of about seven elk cornered in a
farm pasture in eastern Skagit County has spurred state officials to
close the elk archery season in the area and angered others who either
witnessed or heard about the killings.

"Obviously, this got a little out of hand," Dave Ware, state
Department of Fish and Wildlife game division manager, said during a
phone interview from Olympia on Monday.

Ware said the hunters who gathered around a herd of elk on Bill
Johnson's beef ranch five miles west of Concrete on Saturday "lacked
discretion" and "took advantage of the situation" when they shot
dozens of arrows into the panicked herd.

The state wildlife agency had opened elk hunting in an area roughly
bounded by highways 9 and 20, east to the intersection of 20 and Cape
Horn Road. The hunting season was created to keep elk out of the
residential and farm areas in eastern Skagit County.

However, Ware said the agency closed the season Monday afternoon on an
emergency basis because of the Saturday spectacle.

One neighbor who asked not to be named said the event, which slowed
traffic on Highway 20 as people watched, was a "testosterone-poisoned
circus."

She called it "savage and inhumane."

A Fish and Wildlife officer was at the scene Saturday, but didn't stop
the hunters because they had not violated the law.

The property's owner said Monday that once neighbors spotted the elk
in his south pasture, the word got out.

"A few of my neighbors have friends who are bow hunters," Johnson
said.

The word began to spread until a dozen or more bow hunters were in
Johnson's field trying to encircle the herd, which by then had moved
to the north pasture. Johnson, whose family has farmed on the Wilde
Road property since 1915, wasn't pleased with the way the situation
progressed. "The whole thing kind of got out of control," he said.

Other hunters in the area said Saturday's incident disgusted them.

"How can you call that hunting?" asked Bob Coombs, 70, of Mount
Vernon. 'You pin some animals inside a barbed wire closure then allow
people to come in there and take shots at them with arrows. Good Lord.
That can't be called hunting. There are some fair chase rules that any
ethical hunter subscribes to."

Longtime hunter Walter Gillespie, 82, of Sedro-Woolley, agreed.

"I think it was an atrocity," Gillespie said. "It's not a sportsman's
way. It sounded to me like a fiasco, and it was something that didn't
have to happen at all."

He said the hunt wasn't fair, with the elk penned up and hunters
coming from both sides of the herd.

Gillespie said the worst part wasn't the elk that died and were hauled
away.

"How many more were shot damn it," he said. 'That's what bugs me. If
one didn't fall down, they'd shoot another one. The whole thing was
like a comedy a bad, bad comedy."

Last year, some hunters were licensed to hunt elk in the area with
muzzle loaders. Some of the hunters trespassed on private property or
took shots from the highway, officials said. So Fish and Wildlife
limited this season to archery to try to prevent some of the abuse,
Ware said. Next year's season will be more restrictive, Ware said.

Skagit County Fish and Wildlife Sgt. Bill Heinck said officers would
be in the area this morning enforcing the emergency hunting closure.

jps wrote:
Hunters can always be trusted to treat the hunted fairly. Good thing
that good hunting practices are being transfered from generation to
generation. Rural folks who live off the land understand the
relationship between man and nature...


CONCRETE, Wash. (AP) - The killing of about seven elk cornered in a
farm pasture in eastern Skagit County has spurred state officials to
close the elk archery season in the area and angered others who either
witnessed or heard about the killings.

"Obviously, this got a little out of hand," Dave Ware, state
Department of Fish and Wildlife game division manager, said during a
phone interview from Olympia on Monday.

Ware said the hunters who gathered around a herd of elk on Bill
Johnson's beef ranch five miles west of Concrete on Saturday "lacked
discretion" and "took advantage of the situation" when they shot
dozens of arrows into the panicked herd.

The state wildlife agency had opened elk hunting in an area roughly
bounded by highways 9 and 20, east to the intersection of 20 and Cape
Horn Road. The hunting season was created to keep elk out of the
residential and farm areas in eastern Skagit County.

However, Ware said the agency closed the season Monday afternoon on an
emergency basis because of the Saturday spectacle.

One neighbor who asked not to be named said the event, which slowed
traffic on Highway 20 as people watched, was a "testosterone-poisoned
circus."

She called it "savage and inhumane."

A Fish and Wildlife officer was at the scene Saturday, but didn't stop
the hunters because they had not violated the law.

The property's owner said Monday that once neighbors spotted the elk
in his south pasture, the word got out.

"A few of my neighbors have friends who are bow hunters," Johnson
said.

The word began to spread until a dozen or more bow hunters were in
Johnson's field trying to encircle the herd, which by then had moved
to the north pasture. Johnson, whose family has farmed on the Wilde
Road property since 1915, wasn't pleased with the way the situation
progressed. "The whole thing kind of got out of control," he said.

Other hunters in the area said Saturday's incident disgusted them.

"How can you call that hunting?" asked Bob Coombs, 70, of Mount
Vernon. 'You pin some animals inside a barbed wire closure then allow
people to come in there and take shots at them with arrows. Good Lord.
That can't be called hunting. There are some fair chase rules that any
ethical hunter subscribes to."

Longtime hunter Walter Gillespie, 82, of Sedro-Woolley, agreed.

"I think it was an atrocity," Gillespie said. "It's not a sportsman's
way. It sounded to me like a fiasco, and it was something that didn't
have to happen at all."

He said the hunt wasn't fair, with the elk penned up and hunters
coming from both sides of the herd.

Gillespie said the worst part wasn't the elk that died and were hauled
away.

"How many more were shot damn it," he said. 'That's what bugs me. If
one didn't fall down, they'd shoot another one. The whole thing was
like a comedy a bad, bad comedy."

Last year, some hunters were licensed to hunt elk in the area with
muzzle loaders. Some of the hunters trespassed on private property or
took shots from the highway, officials said. So Fish and Wildlife
limited this season to archery to try to prevent some of the abuse,
Ware said. Next year's season will be more restrictive, Ware said.

Skagit County Fish and Wildlife Sgt. Bill Heinck said officers would
be in the area this morning enforcing the emergency hunting closure.

this kind of thing is more widespread than many think. In Missouri we
saw an Amish enterprise where they raise basically semi domesticated
Deer with big antlers to be sold, we were told to canned hunting outfits
in Texas.
Apparently some think a hunt is like watching tv and should only take an
hour. You select the head you want, shoot it and let the outfit take
care of your trophy for you. You proudly display you trophies on your
office wall and proclaim your hunting prowess.
I counted myself lucky to find a spot to hunt and if I got a deer it was
carefully dressed and put in the freezer by me. I have racks but they
were second or third or fourth to the hunt. I had about as much pleasure
when I didn't get a shot.

Gene wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:19:53 -0500, lil abner wrote:

jps wrote:
Hunters can always be trusted to treat the hunted fairly. Good thing
that good hunting practices are being transfered from generation to
generation. Rural folks who live off the land understand the
relationship between man and nature...


CONCRETE, Wash. (AP) - The killing of about seven elk cornered in a
farm pasture in eastern Skagit County has spurred state officials to
close the elk archery season in the area and angered others who either
witnessed or heard about the killings.

"Obviously, this got a little out of hand," Dave Ware, state
Department of Fish and Wildlife game division manager, said during a
phone interview from Olympia on Monday.

Ware said the hunters who gathered around a herd of elk on Bill
Johnson's beef ranch five miles west of Concrete on Saturday "lacked
discretion" and "took advantage of the situation" when they shot
dozens of arrows into the panicked herd.

The state wildlife agency had opened elk hunting in an area roughly
bounded by highways 9 and 20, east to the intersection of 20 and Cape
Horn Road. The hunting season was created to keep elk out of the
residential and farm areas in eastern Skagit County.

However, Ware said the agency closed the season Monday afternoon on an
emergency basis because of the Saturday spectacle.

One neighbor who asked not to be named said the event, which slowed
traffic on Highway 20 as people watched, was a "testosterone-poisoned
circus."

She called it "savage and inhumane."

A Fish and Wildlife officer was at the scene Saturday, but didn't stop
the hunters because they had not violated the law.

The property's owner said Monday that once neighbors spotted the elk
in his south pasture, the word got out.

"A few of my neighbors have friends who are bow hunters," Johnson
said.

The word began to spread until a dozen or more bow hunters were in
Johnson's field trying to encircle the herd, which by then had moved
to the north pasture. Johnson, whose family has farmed on the Wilde
Road property since 1915, wasn't pleased with the way the situation
progressed. "The whole thing kind of got out of control," he said.

Other hunters in the area said Saturday's incident disgusted them.

"How can you call that hunting?" asked Bob Coombs, 70, of Mount
Vernon. 'You pin some animals inside a barbed wire closure then allow
people to come in there and take shots at them with arrows. Good Lord.
That can't be called hunting. There are some fair chase rules that any
ethical hunter subscribes to."

Longtime hunter Walter Gillespie, 82, of Sedro-Woolley, agreed.

"I think it was an atrocity," Gillespie said. "It's not a sportsman's
way. It sounded to me like a fiasco, and it was something that didn't
have to happen at all."

He said the hunt wasn't fair, with the elk penned up and hunters
coming from both sides of the herd.

Gillespie said the worst part wasn't the elk that died and were hauled
away.

"How many more were shot damn it," he said. 'That's what bugs me. If
one didn't fall down, they'd shoot another one. The whole thing was
like a comedy a bad, bad comedy."

Last year, some hunters were licensed to hunt elk in the area with
muzzle loaders. Some of the hunters trespassed on private property or
took shots from the highway, officials said. So Fish and Wildlife
limited this season to archery to try to prevent some of the abuse,
Ware said. Next year's season will be more restrictive, Ware said.

Skagit County Fish and Wildlife Sgt. Bill Heinck said officers would
be in the area this morning enforcing the emergency hunting closure.

this kind of thing is more widespread than many think. In Missouri we
saw an Amish enterprise where they raise basically semi domesticated
Deer with big antlers to be sold, we were told to canned hunting outfits
in Texas.
Apparently some think a hunt is like watching tv and should only take an
hour. You select the head you want, shoot it and let the outfit take
care of your trophy for you. You proudly display you trophies on your
office wall and proclaim your hunting prowess.
I counted myself lucky to find a spot to hunt and if I got a deer it was
carefully dressed and put in the freezer by me. I have racks but they
were second or third or fourth to the hunt. I had about as much pleasure
when I didn't get a shot.

Canned hunters should be shot.





Is that why Cheney shot his buddy? They were, after all, on a canned hunt.

jps wrote:


Skagit County Fish and Wildlife Sgt. Bill Heinck said officers would
be in the area this morning enforcing the emergency hunting closure.


If they allowed me and a few of my buddies in with our guns, we would
have done a real "stumpy" on them.

Harry wrote:
jps wrote:


Skagit County Fish and Wildlife Sgt. Bill Heinck said officers would
be in the area this morning enforcing the emergency hunting closure.


If they allowed me and a few of my buddies in with our guns, we would
have done a real "stumpy" on them.

God rest his wooden soul. I miss him. Sniff sniff.

--

I get so upset by these spoofers, that I think I am going to make more
crossposts between rec.boats and numerous unrelated newsgroups, because
at least that is not detrimental to rec.boats. This group needs some
new blood, and that is always a good way to get some new posters who
enjoy boating as much as i do.

On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:08:29 -0800, jps wrote:

Hunters can always be trusted to treat the hunted fairly. Good thing
that good hunting practices are being transfered from generation to
generation. Rural folks who live off the land understand the
relationship between man and nature...

Well, on this we can agree. It's an atrocity.

Unfortunately we're seeing problems like this all over the US and not
only on hunting lands but in recreational fisheries and land use.

Instead of GM, maybe we should be putting some money into our land,
forest and game management - at least we'd get some results out of it.

In article ,
rg says...

On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:08:29 -0800, jps wrote:

Hunters can always be trusted to treat the hunted fairly. Good thing
that good hunting practices are being transfered from generation to
generation. Rural folks who live off the land understand the
relationship between man and nature...

Well, on this we can agree. It's an atrocity.

Unfortunately we're seeing problems like this all over the US and not
only on hunting lands but in recreational fisheries and land use.

Instead of GM, maybe we should be putting some money into our land,
forest and game management - at least we'd get some results out of it.

Forest's don't vote, people do. You got to give the money to the
people...

On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:00:16 -0500, Tom Francis
wrote:

On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:08:29 -0800, jps wrote:

Hunters can always be trusted to treat the hunted fairly. Good thing
that good hunting practices are being transfered from generation to
generation. Rural folks who live off the land understand the
relationship between man and nature...

Well, on this we can agree. It's an atrocity.

Unfortunately we're seeing problems like this all over the US and not
only on hunting lands but in recreational fisheries and land use.

Instead of GM, maybe we should be putting some money into our land,
forest and game management - at least we'd get some results out of it.

My statement was, of course, tongue in cheek. What I hear over and
over is that the rural folks have an affinity for and a relationship
with the land and resources that us city folk couldn't possibly
understand.

I understand that some rural folks are ****in' *******s with no common
sense and little regard for humane behavior. Is that what's being
passed down to these idiots?

On Dec 30, 12:36*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:00:16 -0500, Tom Francis

wrote:

Well, on this we can agree. *It's an atrocity.

If I was a PETA person I would point out, nobody cares if you round up
a dozen cows in that pen and kill them.
If you do eat meat you have to say "so what"?
At least they died fairly quickly in archery hunting terms and none
crawled off and died a slow death without being recovered.
What would the PETA folks say if it was a pack of wolves that had the
elk trapped in there?

You know, canned hunts are wrong, but I'm kind of with you on this
one. After all: "The hunting season was created to keep elk out of
the residential and farm areas in eastern Skagit County." Well, they
were most definitely in a farm area, the state wildlife commission
felt they needed a hunt to bring the population down, and it
accomplished exactly what they wanted. Unfortunately it was visible
to some cappuccino drinkers passing by, who want their steak medium-
rare on their plate but don't want to think about how it got there.

As long as the elk were dressed and eaten, in the end it wasn't ideal
but it was effective. If there are herds of elk that will stand
around and let themselves be surrounded and fired upon by men out in a
field, they definitely have an elk problem. They need to open the
season back up.

On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:36:58 -0800 (PST), Jack
wrote:

On Dec 30, 12:36*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:00:16 -0500, Tom Francis

wrote:

Well, on this we can agree. *It's an atrocity.

If I was a PETA person I would point out, nobody cares if you round up
a dozen cows in that pen and kill them.
If you do eat meat you have to say "so what"?
At least they died fairly quickly in archery hunting terms and none
crawled off and died a slow death without being recovered.
What would the PETA folks say if it was a pack of wolves that had the
elk trapped in there?

You know, canned hunts are wrong, but I'm kind of with you on this
one. After all: "The hunting season was created to keep elk out of
the residential and farm areas in eastern Skagit County." Well, they
were most definitely in a farm area, the state wildlife commission
felt they needed a hunt to bring the population down, and it
accomplished exactly what they wanted. Unfortunately it was visible
to some cappuccino drinkers passing by, who want their steak medium-
rare on their plate but don't want to think about how it got there.

As long as the elk were dressed and eaten, in the end it wasn't ideal
but it was effective. If there are herds of elk that will stand
around and let themselves be surrounded and fired upon by men out in a
field, they definitely have an elk problem. They need to open the
season back up.

Amen.
--
John H

All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking.