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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:13:21 -0800, "mgg" wrote:


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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:08:29 -0800, jps wrote:

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CONCRETE, Wash. (AP) - The killing of about seven elk cornered in a
farm pasture in eastern Skagit County has spurred state officials to
close the elk archery season in the area and angered others who either
witnessed or heard about the killings.

What the hell is wrong with you people up there?


I'm a member of the BPOE (Benevolent and Protective Order of Elk), and
find
that to be horrific. I didn't even know there was a season for us Elk up
there! I won't be visiting soon. g

--Mike


Really? Oak Island #2769, here....



Yup, San Jose #522.

--Mike

On Dec 30, 12:36*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:00:16 -0500, Tom Francis

wrote:

Well, on this we can agree. *It's an atrocity.

If I was a PETA person I would point out, nobody cares if you round up
a dozen cows in that pen and kill them.
If you do eat meat you have to say "so what"?
At least they died fairly quickly in archery hunting terms and none
crawled off and died a slow death without being recovered.
What would the PETA folks say if it was a pack of wolves that had the
elk trapped in there?

You know, canned hunts are wrong, but I'm kind of with you on this
one. After all: "The hunting season was created to keep elk out of
the residential and farm areas in eastern Skagit County." Well, they
were most definitely in a farm area, the state wildlife commission
felt they needed a hunt to bring the population down, and it
accomplished exactly what they wanted. Unfortunately it was visible
to some cappuccino drinkers passing by, who want their steak medium-
rare on their plate but don't want to think about how it got there.

As long as the elk were dressed and eaten, in the end it wasn't ideal
but it was effective. If there are herds of elk that will stand
around and let themselves be surrounded and fired upon by men out in a
field, they definitely have an elk problem. They need to open the
season back up.

On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:00:16 -0500, Tom Francis
wrote:

On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:08:29 -0800, jps wrote:

Hunters can always be trusted to treat the hunted fairly. Good thing
that good hunting practices are being transfered from generation to
generation. Rural folks who live off the land understand the
relationship between man and nature...

Well, on this we can agree. It's an atrocity.

Unfortunately we're seeing problems like this all over the US and not
only on hunting lands but in recreational fisheries and land use.

Instead of GM, maybe we should be putting some money into our land,
forest and game management - at least we'd get some results out of it.

My statement was, of course, tongue in cheek. What I hear over and
over is that the rural folks have an affinity for and a relationship
with the land and resources that us city folk couldn't possibly
understand.

I understand that some rural folks are ****in' *******s with no common
sense and little regard for humane behavior. Is that what's being
passed down to these idiots?

On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:22:17 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:36:58 -0800 (PST), Jack
wrote:

On Dec 30, 12:36*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:00:16 -0500, Tom Francis

wrote:

Well, on this we can agree. *It's an atrocity.

If I was a PETA person I would point out, nobody cares if you round up
a dozen cows in that pen and kill them.
If you do eat meat you have to say "so what"?
At least they died fairly quickly in archery hunting terms and none
crawled off and died a slow death without being recovered.
What would the PETA folks say if it was a pack of wolves that had the
elk trapped in there?

You know, canned hunts are wrong, but I'm kind of with you on this
one. After all: "The hunting season was created to keep elk out of
the residential and farm areas in eastern Skagit County." Well, they
were most definitely in a farm area, the state wildlife commission
felt they needed a hunt to bring the population down, and it
accomplished exactly what they wanted. Unfortunately it was visible
to some cappuccino drinkers passing by, who want their steak medium-
rare on their plate but don't want to think about how it got there.

You're a ****in' idiot, as usual. It was other rural folk who saw it
and thought it was a shameful display of testosterone driven idiocy.

I'm sure you'd have been right there with 'em.

On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:22:17 -0500, gfretwell wrote:


The last time I was in Chuck county Md a farmer could get a permit to
shoot any deer they saw on their property, night or day. Just turn on
the flood light and blast away. They are 180 pound rats up there,
evidently.

Same here in New Jersey. Deer are like vermin. I would argue hunting is
not an effective way to limit populations. Each year, here in NJ,
hunters take @ 60,000 deer. Yet, the population has remained stable.
Bad winters, or limited mast crop seem to have more effect on the size of
the herd than hunting.

On Dec 31, 6:31*am, thunder wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:22:17 -0500, gfretwell wrote:
The last time I was in Chuck county Md a farmer could get a permit to
shoot any deer they saw on their property, night or day. Just turn on
the flood light and blast away. They are 180 pound rats up there,
evidently.

Same here in New Jersey. *Deer are like vermin. *I would argue hunting is
not an effective way to limit populations. *Each year, here in NJ,
hunters take @ 60,000 deer. *Yet, the population has remained stable. *
Bad winters, or limited mast crop seem to have more effect on the size of
the herd than hunting.

Not an effective means, huh? Ask yourself what the population would
be like without the hunters taking 60k of them out every year?

To help you out, the herd would be... larger. And more destructive.
Because food supplies would be strained, they'd be weak and sickly.
More auto accidents and encroachment on farm and residential lands.

Thinning the herd manages its size and keeps it healthier while
helping to limit its effects on man. That's why its called "game
management".

Jack wrote:
On Dec 31, 6:31 am, thunder wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:22:17 -0500, gfretwell wrote:
The last time I was in Chuck county Md a farmer could get a permit to
shoot any deer they saw on their property, night or day. Just turn on
the flood light and blast away. They are 180 pound rats up there,
evidently.
Same here in New Jersey. Deer are like vermin. I would argue hunting is
not an effective way to limit populations. Each year, here in NJ,
hunters take @ 60,000 deer. Yet, the population has remained stable.
Bad winters, or limited mast crop seem to have more effect on the size of
the herd than hunting.

Not an effective means, huh? Ask yourself what the population would
be like without the hunters taking 60k of them out every year?

To help you out, the herd would be... larger. And more destructive.
Because food supplies would be strained, they'd be weak and sickly.
More auto accidents and encroachment on farm and residential lands.

Thinning the herd manages its size and keeps it healthier while
helping to limit its effects on man. That's why its called "game
management".


It's too bad we've destroyed so much of the habitat wild critters used
to have...and now we use that as an excuse to hunt them. Well, the
upside, I suppose, is that a decent number of hunters end up shooting
each other.

On Dec 31, 6:27*am, jps wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:22:17 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:36:58 -0800 (PST), Jack
wrote:

On Dec 30, 12:36*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:00:16 -0500, Tom Francis

wrote:

Well, on this we can agree. *It's an atrocity.

If I was a PETA person I would point out, nobody cares if you round up
a dozen cows in that pen and kill them.
If you do eat meat you have to say "so what"?
At least they died fairly quickly in archery hunting terms and none
crawled off and died a slow death without being recovered.
What would the PETA folks say if it was a pack of wolves that had the
elk trapped in there?

You know, canned hunts are wrong, but I'm kind of with you on this
one. *After all: "The hunting season was created to keep elk out of
the residential and farm areas in eastern Skagit County." *Well, they
were most definitely in a farm area, the state wildlife commission
felt they needed a hunt to bring the population down, and it
accomplished exactly what they wanted. *Unfortunately it was visible
to some cappuccino drinkers passing by, who want their steak medium-
rare on their plate but don't want to think about how it got there.

You're a ****in' idiot, as usual. *It was other rural folk who saw it
and thought it was a shameful display of testosterone driven idiocy.

I'm sure you'd have been right there with 'em.

So you think all "rural folk" are Daniel Boone-like, and that there
are no liberals, or college educated, or vegans, or PETA members that
live outside the Seattle city limits. That sounds about right for
you. Narrow-minded to the end.

Oh, and I don't bow hunt. But I can field dress a deer. It doesn't
scare me.

Jack wrote:

Oh, and I don't bow hunt. But I can field dress a deer. It doesn't
scare me.


What a man! It's too bad those dangerous deer can't shoot back. I'd pay
good money to see them field dress you.

Harry wrote:
Jack wrote:

Oh, and I don't bow hunt. But I can field dress a deer. It doesn't
scare me.


What a man! It's too bad those dangerous deer can't shoot back. I'd pay
good money to see them field dress you.
I need to fire up a few neurons before I make a stupid statement like
that again. If that is where my head is, i need help desperately.