On Dec 19, 12:28*pm, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 1136ce5d-9ae4-46d0-a90f-ab3f55cc54f4
@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says...







On Dec 18, 8:36*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 15924f43-92b2-4d45-941c-2e6538b91760
@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 18, 1:23*pm, Jim wrote:
John H wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:06:03 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:00 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

I am sorry but it bugs me big time that no democrats are concerned about
the secret meetings and the lack of any time to review the biggest bill
in history. That has got to set off bells with even the lowest level
thinkers...
Is this the first time you have paid attention to the legislative
process? *Frankly, this is how it's done. *It's ugly, untidy, but there's
nothing new here. *

Bull****. But if you have to defend them, it's as good a bull**** as
anyone puts out.

Blindly following, indeed!

I was HOPEing for Some CHANGE up there but it seems like it's business
as usual. Oh Well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yep, the right will do anything at any cost to derail anything the
left does, not matter how good it is, how many people will benefit, or
what it will do.

It seems arrogant of you to assume that nobody can have a truly opposing
point of view. And when one is as one sided as "some here", everybody
will seem to be on the "other side"....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When did I say that someone can't have an opposing point of view?

You have stated several times that folks who have opposing points of
view must either be "lying or uninformed", never admitting that there
could be a legitimate "opposing point of view"...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Show me where I've said that someone can't have an opposing point of
view without lying or being uninformed.
Never happened. I only say that people are lying or uninformed when
they are indeed lying or uninformed.

On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:29:40 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:


Maybe if the dems had let them into the meetings and allowed some of
their core ideas into the bill. It's not hard to see that they were
totally shut out of the whole process...

Nah, the "nuclear option" would be a total shutout. Remember how the
Republicans tried that just a few years ago? Maybe it's just what goes
around, comes around.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option

"I am Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:38:19 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:51 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

Garbage. "If we?re able to stop Obama on this it will be his
Waterloo. It will break him." Want to guess who said that? It
doesn't sound much like they are interested in health care, just
interested in defeating Obama.

Who said that? Rush? Really man, stop listening to blather radio...
We don't...

No, it was Senator Jim DeMint.

Wow, pretty tame compared to what Murtha and that moron from Florida
have said

Hey, I never said it was a big deal. I did use it to dispute John's
statement "an adequate health care bill it would pass with support from
both sides". I don't buy it. IMO, the Republicans would vote No on
anything the Democrats proposed.

Maybe if the dems had let them into the meetings and allowed some of
their core ideas into the bill. It's not hard to see that they were
totally shut out of the whole process...


I know this is really complicated for you, but it was a Democrat caucus.
This claim of the Republicans being "shut out" is complete hog wash. A
significant part of the ongoing process is the search for the mythical
bipartisanship.


--
Nom=de=Plume

In article 7c1d9107-b693-4266-b72d-3c2f2059cf22
@s20g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 19, 12:28*pm, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 1136ce5d-9ae4-46d0-a90f-ab3f55cc54f4
@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says...







On Dec 18, 8:36*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 15924f43-92b2-4d45-941c-2e6538b91760
@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 18, 1:23*pm, Jim wrote:
John H wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:06:03 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:00 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

I am sorry but it bugs me big time that no democrats are concerned about
the secret meetings and the lack of any time to review the biggest bill
in history. That has got to set off bells with even the lowest level
thinkers...
Is this the first time you have paid attention to the legislative
process? *Frankly, this is how it's done. *It's ugly, untidy, but there's
nothing new here. *

Bull****. But if you have to defend them, it's as good a bull**** as
anyone puts out.

Blindly following, indeed!

I was HOPEing for Some CHANGE up there but it seems like it's business
as usual. Oh Well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yep, the right will do anything at any cost to derail anything the
left does, not matter how good it is, how many people will benefit, or
what it will do.

It seems arrogant of you to assume that nobody can have a truly opposing
point of view. And when one is as one sided as "some here", everybody
will seem to be on the "other side"....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When did I say that someone can't have an opposing point of view?

You have stated several times that folks who have opposing points of
view must either be "lying or uninformed", never admitting that there
could be a legitimate "opposing point of view"...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Show me where I've said that someone can't have an opposing point of
view without lying or being uninformed.
Never happened. I only say that people are lying or uninformed when
they are indeed lying or uninformed.

I give up, of course I could be lying or uninformed... Time to set up
the tree, sucks, Terri has a cold or sinus or something ****ty...

On Dec 19, 1:16*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 7c1d9107-b693-4266-b72d-3c2f2059cf22
@s20g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says...







On Dec 19, 12:28*pm, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 1136ce5d-9ae4-46d0-a90f-ab3f55cc54f4
@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 18, 8:36*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 15924f43-92b2-4d45-941c-2e6538b91760
@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 18, 1:23*pm, Jim wrote:
John H wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:06:03 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:00 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

I am sorry but it bugs me big time that no democrats are concerned about
the secret meetings and the lack of any time to review the biggest bill
in history. That has got to set off bells with even the lowest level
thinkers...
Is this the first time you have paid attention to the legislative
process? *Frankly, this is how it's done. *It's ugly, untidy, but there's
nothing new here. *

Bull****. But if you have to defend them, it's as good a bull**** as
anyone puts out.

Blindly following, indeed!

I was HOPEing for Some CHANGE up there but it seems like it's business
as usual. Oh Well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yep, the right will do anything at any cost to derail anything the
left does, not matter how good it is, how many people will benefit, or
what it will do.

It seems arrogant of you to assume that nobody can have a truly opposing
point of view. And when one is as one sided as "some here", everybody
will seem to be on the "other side"....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When did I say that someone can't have an opposing point of view?

You have stated several times that folks who have opposing points of
view must either be "lying or uninformed", never admitting that there
could be a legitimate "opposing point of view"...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Show me where I've said that someone can't have an opposing point of
view without lying or being uninformed.
Never happened. I only say that people are lying or uninformed when
they are indeed lying or uninformed.

I give up, of course I could be lying or uninformed... Time to set up
the tree, sucks, Terri has a cold or sinus or something ****ty...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Good plan. You're putting words in my mouth. Something John likes to
do also.

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:56:30 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:38:19 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:51 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

Garbage. "If we?re able to stop Obama on this it will be his
Waterloo. It will break him." Want to guess who said that? It
doesn't sound much like they are interested in health care, just
interested in defeating Obama.

Who said that? Rush? Really man, stop listening to blather radio...
We don't...

No, it was Senator Jim DeMint.

Wow, pretty tame compared to what Murtha and that moron from Florida
have said

Hey, I never said it was a big deal. I did use it to dispute John's
statement "an adequate health care bill it would pass with support from
both sides". I don't buy it. IMO, the Republicans would vote No on
anything the Democrats proposed.

Opinions are like...

The Dems should try it. Then what you're saying may hold some water.
You like the current health bill. Do you know what's in it? Or do you
just blindly accept Reid's statement that it's good for you?

How often have I heard you Dems talking about the Republicans blindly
following something. What the hell do you call this fiasco?
--

Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!

John H

On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:03:04 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:29:40 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:


Maybe if the dems had let them into the meetings and allowed some of
their core ideas into the bill. It's not hard to see that they were
totally shut out of the whole process...

Nah, the "nuclear option" would be a total shutout. Remember how the
Republicans tried that just a few years ago? Maybe it's just what goes
around, comes around.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option

That makes it right, doesn't it?

Jeeees. And you folks complain that Obama, et al, isn't accepted.
--

Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!

John H

John H wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:56:30 -0600,
wrote:


On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:38:19 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:


In inet,
says...

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:51 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:


Garbage. "If we?re able to stop Obama on this it will be his
Waterloo. It will break him." Want to guess who said that? It
doesn't sound much like they are interested in health care, just
interested in defeating Obama.

Who said that? Rush? Really man, stop listening to blather radio...
We don't...

No, it was Senator Jim DeMint.

Wow, pretty tame compared to what Murtha and that moron from Florida
have said

Hey, I never said it was a big deal. I did use it to dispute John's
statement "an adequate health care bill it would pass with support from
both sides". I don't buy it. IMO, the Republicans would vote No on
anything the Democrats proposed.

Opinions are like...

The Dems should try it. Then what you're saying may hold some water.
You like the current health bill. Do you know what's in it? Or do you
just blindly accept Reid's statement that it's good for you?

How often have I heard you Dems talking about the Republicans blindly
following something. What the hell do you call this fiasco?

Typical?

Rob

On Dec 19, 12:16*pm, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 7c1d9107-b693-4266-b72d-3c2f2059cf22
@s20g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says...





On Dec 19, 12:28*pm, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 1136ce5d-9ae4-46d0-a90f-ab3f55cc54f4
@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 18, 8:36*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 15924f43-92b2-4d45-941c-2e6538b91760
@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 18, 1:23*pm, Jim wrote:
John H wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:06:03 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:00 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

I am sorry but it bugs me big time that no democrats are concerned about
the secret meetings and the lack of any time to review the biggest bill
in history. That has got to set off bells with even the lowest level
thinkers...
Is this the first time you have paid attention to the legislative
process? *Frankly, this is how it's done. *It's ugly, untidy, but there's
nothing new here. *

Bull****. But if you have to defend them, it's as good a bull**** as
anyone puts out.

Blindly following, indeed!

I was HOPEing for Some CHANGE up there but it seems like it's business
as usual. Oh Well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yep, the right will do anything at any cost to derail anything the
left does, not matter how good it is, how many people will benefit, or
what it will do.

It seems arrogant of you to assume that nobody can have a truly opposing
point of view. And when one is as one sided as "some here", everybody
will seem to be on the "other side"....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When did I say that someone can't have an opposing point of view?

You have stated several times that folks who have opposing points of
view must either be "lying or uninformed", never admitting that there
could be a legitimate "opposing point of view"...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Show me where I've said that someone can't have an opposing point of
view without lying or being uninformed.
Never happened. I only say that people are lying or uninformed when
they are indeed lying or uninformed.

I give up, of course I could be lying or uninformed... Time to set up
the tree, sucks, Terri has a cold or sinus or something ****ty...

She's not alone.. *Cough-cough*

In article 497e29e4-d6e6-4c0b-a61f-3b926c717ae9
@r14g2000vbc.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 19, 12:16*pm, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 7c1d9107-b693-4266-b72d-3c2f2059cf22
@s20g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says...





On Dec 19, 12:28*pm, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 1136ce5d-9ae4-46d0-a90f-ab3f55cc54f4
@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 18, 8:36*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article 15924f43-92b2-4d45-941c-2e6538b91760
@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 18, 1:23*pm, Jim wrote:
John H wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:06:03 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:32:00 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

I am sorry but it bugs me big time that no democrats are concerned about
the secret meetings and the lack of any time to review the biggest bill
in history. That has got to set off bells with even the lowest level
thinkers...
Is this the first time you have paid attention to the legislative
process? *Frankly, this is how it's done. *It's ugly, untidy, but there's
nothing new here. *

Bull****. But if you have to defend them, it's as good a bull**** as
anyone puts out.

Blindly following, indeed!

I was HOPEing for Some CHANGE up there but it seems like it's business
as usual. Oh Well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yep, the right will do anything at any cost to derail anything the
left does, not matter how good it is, how many people will benefit, or
what it will do.

It seems arrogant of you to assume that nobody can have a truly opposing
point of view. And when one is as one sided as "some here", everybody
will seem to be on the "other side"....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When did I say that someone can't have an opposing point of view?

You have stated several times that folks who have opposing points of
view must either be "lying or uninformed", never admitting that there
could be a legitimate "opposing point of view"...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Show me where I've said that someone can't have an opposing point of
view without lying or being uninformed.
Never happened. I only say that people are lying or uninformed when
they are indeed lying or uninformed.

I give up, of course I could be lying or uninformed... Time to set up
the tree, sucks, Terri has a cold or sinus or something ****ty...

She's not alone.. *Cough-cough*

Yeah, you sounded like crap when I talked to you yesterday