On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:11:09 -0600, wrote:

On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:56:43 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:49:52 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

If you do get the time, I'll be very interested in what you have to
say.

Hello?

You'll have to forgive me, Tom. I hope to get back to this sometime
soon. I'm in the Medicare Advantage open enrollment period, and I'm
overwhelmed with appointments. I may have time tomorrow if I can
finish up at a local mall early enough. A thousand pardons, Effendi.
:)

10-4. No problem.

In article 4abb80d7-2000-40e8-a051-6da3b434f2d2
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On Dec 10, 11:09*am, "Don White" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

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On Dec 10, 8:28 am, "Don White" wrote:





"Tim" wrote in message

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On Dec 9, 9:28 pm, jps wrote:

On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:59:57 -0800 (PST), Tim
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On Dec 9, 8:53 pm, "Don White" wrote:
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On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:18:45 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:44:43 -0800 (PST), Tim

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http://blog.simplejustice.us/2009/11...wi-bill-compou...

NY just passed a new law to protect kids. Now it is a felon, to
drive
DWI/DUI with children 15 years of age or less on board.

That ought to help save lives!

George Orwell just wasn't too far off...

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You object to having a legal requirement to drive sober??

Yes.

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Boy..if this is you Waylon...you're really out to lunch here.
Maybe you should volunteer some time in a major trauma center in
Atlanta.

Don. I'll vouch for him, II know this guy. he lives in an adjacent
county of mine. only about 40 mi. away. I guarantee you, he's not
Waylon.

I think I know what his point is, but I won't go into it. it's no
biggie.

Uh oh. You belong to a church group together or do your kids play
baseball against one another?

Both.

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He may be a buddy, but I sense that you are a reasonably sensible , well
adjusted person.
Would you want this character running the roads drunk when your kids are
driving back from a social or sporting event?
The Mounties and city cops hold random traffic stops here..especially at
this time of year, to try and weed out the drunks, the unlicensed &
uninsured and those driving unsafe vehicles. I say the more they catch,
the
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I try to be a person of reason, Don. but well, it's been a proven
point that you don't need a license to be able to drive a car.

*I'll try to convey my views but theres a chance I'll be misconstrued.

*but *I believe there should be stiff penalties for DUI/DWI, and I
believe there should be insurance on the vehicle, And it is proper to
have current tags on the auto's plates. But really what good is a
"drivers license?" except of ID purposes?Does a drivers license prove
you are able to drive a car? Not really. I know of people who have a
license in good standing and are horrible behind the wheel. And
there's a lot of people with revoked or suspended licenses who
continually drive.

So, really, what good does a drivers license do?

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Around here, they still call driving a 'privlege', and I would hope that the
license showes that the driver had the skill/knowledge to pass the
requirements at one time.
Maybe there should be re-tests every 5-10 years...at least for those 60 &
over.
This comes up every time someone in their '80s kills a younger person in a
traffic 'accident'. Here in the city that usually means a vehicle/pedestrian
encounter as often as not with the victim in a crosswalk.- Hide quoted text -

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Seeing how you love to correct others, what in hell is a "showes"
dummy?

pfffffftttt...

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On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:11:09 -0600, wrote:

On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:56:43 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:49:52 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

If you do get the time, I'll be very interested in what you have to
say.

Hello?

You'll have to forgive me, Tom. I hope to get back to this sometime
soon. I'm in the Medicare Advantage open enrollment period, and I'm
overwhelmed with appointments. I may have time tomorrow if I can
finish up at a local mall early enough. A thousand pardons, Effendi.
:)

10-4. No problem.

Gosh, kinda' pushy there Tom? Big meaney! Spaceman...

On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:17:02 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:11:09 -0600, wrote:

On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:56:43 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:49:52 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

If you do get the time, I'll be very interested in what you have to
say.

Hello?

You'll have to forgive me, Tom. I hope to get back to this sometime
soon. I'm in the Medicare Advantage open enrollment period, and I'm
overwhelmed with appointments. I may have time tomorrow if I can
finish up at a local mall early enough. A thousand pardons, Effendi.
:)

10-4. No problem.

If the argument was working in his direction, I'm sure he'd find the
time. Since it's not, he'll find a way to duck out. I wouldn't hold
your breath, Mr J has a way of sidestepping sticky wickets.

Like I said, he's into stoning and crucifixions. A born again
libertarian.

"John H" wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:27:21 -0600, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:58:43 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

Why do you s'pose they didn't just make it a felony to drive with any
passenger in the car?

Many bad ideas are sold as ' for the children '

Casady

I agree with Tim. The children not in the car deserve protection also.
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John H

Guy blows 0.08 and a kid in the car. He goes to jail for more than a year,
felony, and the kid ends up in foster care, or the mom and kid end up
sleeping in a shelter. Just like a lot of other mandatory sentencing laws.
unintended consequenses rule.

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"John H" wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:27:21 -0600, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:58:43 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

Why do you s'pose they didn't just make it a felony to drive with any
passenger in the car?

Many bad ideas are sold as ' for the children '

Casady

I agree with Tim. The children not in the car deserve protection also.
--

John H

Guy blows 0.08 and a kid in the car. He goes to jail for more than a
year, felony, and the kid ends up in foster care, or the mom and kid end
up sleeping in a shelter. Just like a lot of other mandatory sentencing
laws. unintended consequenses rule.



So, by your philosophy we should not try to do the right thing. That's a
pretty low standard.

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On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:27:42 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:27:21 -0600, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:58:43 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

Why do you s'pose they didn't just make it a felony to drive with any
passenger in the car?

Many bad ideas are sold as ' for the children '

Casady

I agree with Tim. The children not in the car deserve protection also.
--

John H

Guy blows 0.08 and a kid in the car. He goes to jail for more than a year,
felony, and the kid ends up in foster care, or the mom and kid end up
sleeping in a shelter. Just like a lot of other mandatory sentencing laws.
unintended consequenses rule.

Black woman, drives a Cadillac, lives on welfare and pops kids out
every year so she can increase her welfare payments.

jps wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:27:42 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:27:21 -0600, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:58:43 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

Why do you s'pose they didn't just make it a felony to drive with any
passenger in the car?
Many bad ideas are sold as ' for the children '

Casady
I agree with Tim. The children not in the car deserve protection also.
--

John H
Guy blows 0.08 and a kid in the car. He goes to jail for more than a year,
felony, and the kid ends up in foster care, or the mom and kid end up
sleeping in a shelter. Just like a lot of other mandatory sentencing laws.
unintended consequenses rule.

Black woman, drives a Cadillac, lives on welfare and pops kids out
every year so she can increase her welfare payments.

Gee, I never would have thought of that as a comeback. I'm sure Miss La
Plume will high five you again.
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Imagine being such a worthless p.o.s. that you post on usenet using
someone else's ID

On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:27:42 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:27:21 -0600, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:58:43 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

Why do you s'pose they didn't just make it a felony to drive with any
passenger in the car?

Many bad ideas are sold as ' for the children '

Casady

I agree with Tim. The children not in the car deserve protection also.
--

John H

Guy blows 0.08 and a kid in the car. He goes to jail for more than a year,
felony, and the kid ends up in foster care, or the mom and kid end up
sleeping in a shelter. Just like a lot of other mandatory sentencing laws.
unintended consequenses rule.



Yes, but the same can be true for the person sticking up the local
7-11. I don't necessarily agree with the mandatory sentencing laws,
but I didn't see that in the original post. Does the conviction on a
felony carry a mandatory jail term?
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John H

"John H" wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:27:42 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:27:21 -0600, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:58:43 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

Why do you s'pose they didn't just make it a felony to drive with any
passenger in the car?

Many bad ideas are sold as ' for the children '

Casady

I agree with Tim. The children not in the car deserve protection also.
--

John H

Guy blows 0.08 and a kid in the car. He goes to jail for more than a
year,
felony, and the kid ends up in foster care, or the mom and kid end up
sleeping in a shelter. Just like a lot of other mandatory sentencing
laws.
unintended consequenses rule.



Yes, but the same can be true for the person sticking up the local
7-11. I don't necessarily agree with the mandatory sentencing laws,
but I didn't see that in the original post. Does the conviction on a
felony carry a mandatory jail term?
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John H


No.

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