[jps]

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community
organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition
does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church.
Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly
all corners of the Roman empire.

I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have
anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman.

As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life. He
was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community, with
everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews who
were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit. He
was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a
different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their needs.

I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community
organizer in the modern sense, but he was.

It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue to
pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. And,
from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel.

The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win
an argument, an artful response to your common sense.

[H the K[_4_]]

On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community
organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition
does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church.
Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly
all corners of the Roman empire.

I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have
anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman.

As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life. He
was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community, with
everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews who
were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit. He
was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a
different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their needs.

I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community
organizer in the modern sense, but he was.

It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue to
pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. And,
from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel.

The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win
an argument, an artful response to your common sense.


In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to the
pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he allegedly
lived and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a
new religion.

Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man.


--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

[TopBassDog]

On Nov 22, 12:42*pm, H the K wrote:
On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote:



On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
*wrote:

Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community
organizer. *Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition
does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church..
Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly
all corners of the Roman empire.

I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have
anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman.

As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life. He
was part of the Jewish *Community*. *It was a large community, with
everyone attending the same Temple. *Jesus' followers were Jews who
were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit. *He
was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a
different approach to Judaism and life. *He tended to their needs.

I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community
organizer in the modern sense, but he was.

It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue to
pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. *And,
from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel.

The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win
an argument, an artful response to your common sense.

In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to the
pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he allegedly
lived and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a
new religion.

Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man.

--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

Herr Krause. You say you have doubts that Jesus ever existed, and yet
you seem to be such an self-appointed expert on his life and witness.

How so?

[nom=de=plume]

"H the K" wrote in message
...
On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community
organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition
does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church.
Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in
nearly
all corners of the Roman empire.

I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have
anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman.

As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life. He
was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community, with
everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews who
were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit. He
was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a
different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their needs.

I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community
organizer in the modern sense, but he was.

It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue to
pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. And,
from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel.

The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win
an argument, an artful response to your common sense.


In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to the
pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he allegedly lived
and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a new
religion.

Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man.


Certainly true. But, the philosophy He taught is still around. In fact, if
you want to be technical about it, He was resurrected and then ascended to
Heaven. He's still here, although we can't see Him.

--
Nom=de=Plume

[H the K[_4_]]

On 11/22/09 4:56 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"H the wrote in message
...
On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community
organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition
does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church.
Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in
nearly
all corners of the Roman empire.

I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have
anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman.

As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life. He
was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community, with
everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews who
were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit. He
was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a
different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their needs.

I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community
organizer in the modern sense, but he was.

It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue to
pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. And,
from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel.

The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win
an argument, an artful response to your common sense.


In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to the
pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he allegedly lived
and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a new
religion.

Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man.


Certainly true. But, the philosophy He taught is still around. In fact, if
you want to be technical about it, He was resurrected and then ascended to
Heaven. He's still here, although we can't see Him.



That's the claim...

There are lots of over-the-top claims in the world of religious belief.
Very few of them are provable.




--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

[nom=de=plume]

"H the K" wrote in message
...
On 11/22/09 4:56 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"H the wrote in message
...
On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a
community
organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic
definition
does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early
church.
Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in
nearly
all corners of the Roman empire.

I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have
anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman.

As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life. He
was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community, with
everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews who
were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit. He
was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a
different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their needs.

I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community
organizer in the modern sense, but he was.

It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue to
pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. And,
from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel.

The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win
an argument, an artful response to your common sense.


In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to the
pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he allegedly
lived
and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a new
religion.

Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man.


Certainly true. But, the philosophy He taught is still around. In fact,
if
you want to be technical about it, He was resurrected and then ascended
to
Heaven. He's still here, although we can't see Him.



That's the claim...

There are lots of over-the-top claims in the world of religious belief.
Very few of them are provable.


Certainly true. It's a claim. It's a faith. I have it, others don't, but I'm
not going to impose my faith on others. That's an abomination.

--
Nom=de=Plume

[H the K[_4_]]

On 11/22/09 8:21 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"H the wrote in message
...
On 11/22/09 4:56 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"H the wrote in message
...
On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a
community
organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic
definition
does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early
church.
Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in
nearly
all corners of the Roman empire.

I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have
anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman.

As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life. He
was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community, with
everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews who
were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit. He
was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a
different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their needs.

I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community
organizer in the modern sense, but he was.

It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue to
pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. And,
from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel.

The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win
an argument, an artful response to your common sense.


In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to the
pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he allegedly
lived
and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a new
religion.

Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man.


Certainly true. But, the philosophy He taught is still around. In fact,
if
you want to be technical about it, He was resurrected and then ascended
to
Heaven. He's still here, although we can't see Him.



That's the claim...

There are lots of over-the-top claims in the world of religious belief.
Very few of them are provable.


Certainly true. It's a claim. It's a faith. I have it, others don't, but I'm
not going to impose my faith on others. That's an abomination.



Precisely. Believe what you want, practice it in your homes and your
houses of worship, but keep it out of *my* government.


--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

[nom=de=plume]

"H the K" wrote in message
...
On 11/22/09 8:21 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"H the wrote in message
...
On 11/22/09 4:56 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"H the wrote in message
...
On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a
community
organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic
definition
does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early
church.
Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in
nearly
all corners of the Roman empire.

I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd have
anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance salesman.

As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus' life.
He
was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community, with
everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews who
were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had merit.
He
was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a
different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their needs.

I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community
organizer in the modern sense, but he was.

It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own synagogue
to
pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later. And,
from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not Israel.

The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant to win
an argument, an artful response to your common sense.


In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to the
pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he allegedly
lived
and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a new
religion.

Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man.


Certainly true. But, the philosophy He taught is still around. In fact,
if
you want to be technical about it, He was resurrected and then ascended
to
Heaven. He's still here, although we can't see Him.



That's the claim...

There are lots of over-the-top claims in the world of religious belief.
Very few of them are provable.


Certainly true. It's a claim. It's a faith. I have it, others don't, but
I'm
not going to impose my faith on others. That's an abomination.



Precisely. Believe what you want, practice it in your homes and your
houses of worship, but keep it out of *my* government.


Absolutely. Sorry if I agree.

--
Nom=de=Plume