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Community organization is nothing new
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news  On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ir9bg55003or5vckj6sgf0q2qgek6u13vg@4ax. com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism. So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do biblical research. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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Community organization is nothing new
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... On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:31:32 -0500, H the K wrote: On 11/20/09 1:19 PM, wrote: So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? Jesus can be whatever you want..., just as "the bible" can prove or disprove any belief you have. As an example, to me, if he existed at all, Jesus was a pretty cool dude with some socially acceptable ideas about his fellow man who spent his life preaching his vision of Judaism to Jews in the general area in which he supposedly lived, and who had no idea or desire to convert Jews or pagans to a new religion. As with every other religion, Christianity is a creation of man. If Jesus was a pretty cool dude, then he's so simply because you've created Him that way in your own mind? Can't speak for Harry, but He was a "cool dude" because of his message of peace, acceptance, and healing. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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Community organization is nothing new
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:06:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message news On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message om... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ir9bg55003or5vckj6sgf0q2qgek6u13vg@4ax .com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism. So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do biblical research. Serial deflector, he is. Forget cogency in debating him. He likes to jump tracks to gain advantage. Can't face issues head on. |
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Community organization is nothing new
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:08:02 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:31:32 -0500, H the K wrote: On 11/20/09 1:19 PM, wrote: So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? Jesus can be whatever you want..., just as "the bible" can prove or disprove any belief you have. As an example, to me, if he existed at all, Jesus was a pretty cool dude with some socially acceptable ideas about his fellow man who spent his life preaching his vision of Judaism to Jews in the general area in which he supposedly lived, and who had no idea or desire to convert Jews or pagans to a new religion. As with every other religion, Christianity is a creation of man. If Jesus was a pretty cool dude, then he's so simply because you've created Him that way in your own mind? Can't speak for Harry, but He was a "cool dude" because of his message of peace, acceptance, and healing. His message like this? NAS Mark 9:19 And He *answered them and *said, "O unbelieving generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring him to Me!" -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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Community organization is nothing new
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:06:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message news On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message om... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ir9bg55003or5vckj6sgf0q2qgek6u13vg@4ax .com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism. So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do biblical research. My desire is to see Christ described accurately, not as a community organizer. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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Community organization is nothing new
"jps" wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:06:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:u0tbg5p53o6om8flm9uropquhj5c3j5ipe@4ax. com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ir9bg55003or5vckj6sgf0q2qgek6u13vg@4a x.com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism. So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do biblical research. Serial deflector, he is. Forget cogency in debating him. He likes to jump tracks to gain advantage. Can't face issues head on. Dude, he posed a question about Jesus being a community organizer. Its you and Nom that are dodging the issue. It looks to me like he's miles ahead. |
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Community organization is nothing new
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:18:48 -0600, "Candy Man"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:06:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume"wrote: wrote in message om... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:u0tbg5p53o6om8flm9uropquhj5c3j5ipe@4ax .com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ir9bg55003or5vckj6sgf0q2qgek6u13vg@4 ax.com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism. So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do biblical research. Serial deflector, he is. Forget cogency in debating him. He likes to jump tracks to gain advantage. Can't face issues head on. Dude, he posed a question about Jesus being a community organizer. Its you and Nom that are dodging the issue. It looks to me like he's miles ahead. Sock Puppet: He's miles ahead into fantasyland. Asking for quotes from the bible that proves Jesus was a community organizer? Are you common sense challenged too? Do you need to parse the syllables to get to the true meaning? Why not just post under your normal handle? Promised to leave? Plonked by most who've known you previously? |
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Community organization is nothing new
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:34:21 -0600, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. You would think that once she called your argument 'ingenuous', you would be quite satisfied to have proven your point. Was that a Freudian slip? Only the Shadow knows. -- John H |
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Community organization is nothing new
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:41:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:06:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume"wrote: wrote in message om... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:u0tbg5p53o6om8flm9uropquhj5c3j5ipe@4ax .com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:ir9bg55003or5vckj6sgf0q2qgek6u13vg@4 ax.com... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism. So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do biblical research. My desire is to see Christ described accurately, not as a community organizer. He organized and had followers. Are you denying this? They were from the Jewish community. Are you denying this? Christ described accurately. What a laugh. What makes you think your understanding of Christ is the one true interpretation? He wasn't even a Christian dude, he was Jewish. Born, lived, died. All of his followers were Jewish. They all attended Temple, celebrated the Sabbath, Passover, The New Year and the Harvest. Guess what? There was no Easter! The son of God but god himself! Virgin birth! Walked on water! Turned water into wine? Oh no, that wasn't him. He cured leprosy and came back from the dead. It's true, it's true! He sure as hell wasn't a Teutonic blonde. What picture do you have of him in your house? I'm sure the depiction is equal to your "official" understanding of him. Yikes. |
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