[H the K[_4_]]

On 11/21/09 2:10 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:04:41 -0500, H the
wrote:

On 11/21/09 11:51 AM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:42:41 -0500, H the
wrote:

I dunno, Tim. I was still half asleep this morning when I wrote this.
(My daughter is visiting from Cincy, and we went to the Elks last
night. I stayed up way too late.) But, I know that I didn't seperate
the adjectives by a comma as I should have, for one thing. I suppose
what I wanted to say was;

brazen, loud, clamorous, not-moving-on person who loathes the
"capitalist class"

I can best your ad-hominem spew to a single word to describe you.

I'm certain that those who surround you would agree.


Uh...how did I get into this one?

It's that he finds my missives so unpalatable that he has me filtered,
and he uses others through which to carry on with the conversation.



Ahhh. Well, I don't go that far. I think you're just another right-wing
asshole.


--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

[H the K[_4_]]

On 11/21/09 2:16 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:39:48 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:45:19 -0500, John
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On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:34:21 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

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On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too!

http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html

And not much unlike ACORN.


Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to
Hitler...

Jesus was a community organizer?

NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the
earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own
father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters,
yes,
and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor
except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own
household."

NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one;
but
go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that
Moses
commanded, as a testimony to them."


All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more
interested
in
profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add.

Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be
out
of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no
extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said,
though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to
provide those passages that qualifiably make that case.
Alternately,
I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before
the
Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His
disciples.
In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not
a
community organizer.


There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to
tell
me
how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't
need
to
"provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a
completely ingenuous argument.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply
of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the
time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises,
doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This
fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components.
Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it
doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community
organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the
definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is
anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as
a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty
heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If
anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate
exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's
legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from
which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion.

You would think that once she called your argument 'ingenuous', you
would be quite satisfied to have proven your point.

Was that a Freudian slip? Only the Shadow knows.

That's why I iterated that I wasn't quite sure what she meant. These
folks also don't seem to know the definition of a community organizer
or a revolutionary. They're working with presuppositional definitions
that they deem free of defect. This might help the wayward
antagonist, though;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Organizer

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/revolutionary


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You're starting to sound like an apologist for the right nutcases.

As should be obvious, my apologetics are centered elsewhere.

Now for the occasionally indolent reader that may chance upon this
post, here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia article;

"Community organizing is a process by which people living in proximity
to each other are brought together in an organization to act in their
shared self-interest. Unlike other forms of more consensual "community
building," community organizers generally assume that social change
necessarily involves conflict and social struggle in order to generate
collective power for the powerless. A core goal of community
organizing is to generate durable power for an organization
representing the community, allowing it to influence key
decision-makers on a range of issues over time. In the ideal, for
example, this can get community organizing groups a place at the table
before important decisions are made.[1] Community organizers work with
and develop new local leaders, facilitating coalitions and assisting
in the development of campaigns."


Sounds like early Christianity to me.

Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community
organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition
does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church.
Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly
all corners of the Roman empire.



Surely you are not connecting jesus with "early christianity." In the
lifetime of jesus, in the area where he lived and preached, there were
jews and there were pagans. There were no christians.


--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

[[email protected]]

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:19:21 -0500, H the K
wrote:

On 11/21/09 2:10 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:04:41 -0500, H the
wrote:

On 11/21/09 11:51 AM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:42:41 -0500, H the
wrote:

I dunno, Tim. I was still half asleep this morning when I wrote this.
(My daughter is visiting from Cincy, and we went to the Elks last
night. I stayed up way too late.) But, I know that I didn't seperate
the adjectives by a comma as I should have, for one thing. I suppose
what I wanted to say was;

brazen, loud, clamorous, not-moving-on person who loathes the
"capitalist class"

I can best your ad-hominem spew to a single word to describe you.

I'm certain that those who surround you would agree.


Uh...how did I get into this one?

It's that he finds my missives so unpalatable that he has me filtered,
and he uses others through which to carry on with the conversation.



Ahhh. Well, I don't go that far. I think you're just another right-wing
asshole.

Thank-you, Harry, for facilitating the conversation.

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On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:24:19 -0500, H the K
wrote:

On 11/21/09 2:16 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:39:48 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:38:40 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:45:19 -0500, John
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:34:21 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too!

http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html

And not much unlike ACORN.


Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to
Hitler...

Jesus was a community organizer?

NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the
earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own
father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters,
yes,
and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor
except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own
household."

NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one;
but
go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that
Moses
commanded, as a testimony to them."


All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more
interested
in
profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add.

Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be
out
of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no
extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said,
though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to
provide those passages that qualifiably make that case.
Alternately,
I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before
the
Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His
disciples.
In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not
a
community organizer.


There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to
tell
me
how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't
need
to
"provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a
completely ingenuous argument.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply
of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the
time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises,
doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This
fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components.
Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it
doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community
organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the
definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is
anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as
a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty
heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If
anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate
exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's
legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from
which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion.

You would think that once she called your argument 'ingenuous', you
would be quite satisfied to have proven your point.

Was that a Freudian slip? Only the Shadow knows.

That's why I iterated that I wasn't quite sure what she meant. These
folks also don't seem to know the definition of a community organizer
or a revolutionary. They're working with presuppositional definitions
that they deem free of defect. This might help the wayward
antagonist, though;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Organizer

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/revolutionary


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You're starting to sound like an apologist for the right nutcases.

As should be obvious, my apologetics are centered elsewhere.

Now for the occasionally indolent reader that may chance upon this
post, here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia article;

"Community organizing is a process by which people living in proximity
to each other are brought together in an organization to act in their
shared self-interest. Unlike other forms of more consensual "community
building," community organizers generally assume that social change
necessarily involves conflict and social struggle in order to generate
collective power for the powerless. A core goal of community
organizing is to generate durable power for an organization
representing the community, allowing it to influence key
decision-makers on a range of issues over time. In the ideal, for
example, this can get community organizing groups a place at the table
before important decisions are made.[1] Community organizers work with
and develop new local leaders, facilitating coalitions and assisting
in the development of campaigns."


Sounds like early Christianity to me.

Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a community
organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition
does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church.
Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in nearly
all corners of the Roman empire.



Surely you are not connecting jesus with "early christianity." In the
lifetime of jesus, in the area where he lived and preached, there were
jews and there were pagans. There were no christians.

Why should I need to reiterate the focus of the question? It has to
do with whether or not Christ was a community organizer. This is a
seperate issue as to any parallel of the encyclopedic description of
community organizing and early Christianity. Btw, the earliest
Christians were Jewish, exclusively.

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[jps]

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:19:21 -0500, H the K
wrote:

On 11/21/09 2:10 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:04:41 -0500, H the
wrote:

On 11/21/09 11:51 AM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:42:41 -0500, H the
wrote:

I dunno, Tim. I was still half asleep this morning when I wrote this.
(My daughter is visiting from Cincy, and we went to the Elks last
night. I stayed up way too late.) But, I know that I didn't seperate
the adjectives by a comma as I should have, for one thing. I suppose
what I wanted to say was;

brazen, loud, clamorous, not-moving-on person who loathes the
"capitalist class"

I can best your ad-hominem spew to a single word to describe you.

I'm certain that those who surround you would agree.


Uh...how did I get into this one?

It's that he finds my missives so unpalatable that he has me filtered,
and he uses others through which to carry on with the conversation.



Ahhh. Well, I don't go that far. I think you're just another right-wing
asshole.

I think you've managed to use the word I had in mind. Sorry if I
confused, it was indeed meant for the insurance salesman.

I only selectively respond to his tripe. Engaging him directly is a
lost cause. He's a master of deflection and the red herring.

His main foil is the bible, in the spirit of Pat Robertson.

[jps]

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:39:48 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:38:40 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:45:19 -0500, John H
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On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:34:21 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

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On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too!

http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html

And not much unlike ACORN.


Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to
Hitler...

Jesus was a community organizer?

NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the
earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own
father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters,
yes,
and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor
except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own
household."

NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one;
but
go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that
Moses
commanded, as a testimony to them."


All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more
interested
in
profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add.

Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be
out
of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no
extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said,
though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to
provide those passages that qualifiably make that case.
Alternately,
I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before
the
Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His
disciples.
In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not
a
community organizer.


There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to
tell
me
how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't
need
to
"provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a
completely ingenuous argument.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply
of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the
time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises,
doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This
fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components.
Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it
doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community
organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the
definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is
anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as
a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty
heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If
anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate
exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's
legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from
which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion.

You would think that once she called your argument 'ingenuous', you
would be quite satisfied to have proven your point.

Was that a Freudian slip? Only the Shadow knows.

That's why I iterated that I wasn't quite sure what she meant. These
folks also don't seem to know the definition of a community organizer
or a revolutionary. They're working with presuppositional definitions
that they deem free of defect. This might help the wayward
antagonist, though;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Organizer

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/revolutionary


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You're starting to sound like an apologist for the right nutcases.

As should be obvious, my apologetics are centered elsewhere.

Now for the occasionally indolent reader that may chance upon this
post, here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia article;

"Community organizing is a process by which people living in proximity
to each other are brought together in an organization to act in their
shared self-interest. Unlike other forms of more consensual "community
building," community organizers generally assume that social change
necessarily involves conflict and social struggle in order to generate
collective power for the powerless. A core goal of community
organizing is to generate durable power for an organization
representing the community, allowing it to influence key
decision-makers on a range of issues over time. In the ideal, for
example, this can get community organizing groups a place at the table
before important decisions are made.[1] Community organizers work with
and develop new local leaders, facilitating coalitions and assisting
in the development of campaigns."


Sounds like early Christianity to me.

It was a Jewish faction organized around him and his ideas. He was
appealing to those who found his message to be in their self interest.
Sure sounds like a community organizer to me.

I'm sure there'll be some bible verses upcoming that'll cast Jesus
otherwise, interpretationally.

[jps]

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:19:42 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:55:04 -0600, wrote:

snipped

A confusion or bro. we gotta find another name.....

http://tinyurl.com/yejhe29

Peacekeeping through war. Excellent.

[jps]

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:38:04 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:38:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:08:02 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:31:32 -0500, H the K
wrote:

On 11/20/09 1:19 PM, wrote:

So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to
confirm his role as a community organizer?


Jesus can be whatever you want..., just as "the bible" can prove or
disprove any belief you have.

As an example, to me, if he existed at all, Jesus was a pretty cool
dude
with some socially acceptable ideas about his fellow man who spent
his
life preaching his vision of Judaism to Jews in the general area in
which he supposedly lived, and who had no idea or desire to convert
Jews
or pagans to a new religion. As with every other religion,
Christianity
is a creation of man.

If Jesus was a pretty cool dude, then he's so simply because you've
created Him that way in your own mind?


Can't speak for Harry, but He was a "cool dude" because of his
message
of
peace, acceptance, and healing.

His message like this?

NAS Mark 9:19 And He *answered them and *said, "O unbelieving
generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I put up with
you? Bring him to Me!"


As I said... out of context. You're starting to sound silly. If you
don't
like Jesus' message, why not just say so.

You don't seem to know what His message is. And I'm certain that you
are unable to articulate what the context of Mark 9:19 is.


I'm sure you're able to tell us. In any case, this has nothing to do with
the vitriol from the right. Or, maybe it does.

Hopefully you're not ready to venture into the ignoble domain of the
circumstantial ad hominem. Few go there and return to the land of
reason.


Not sure what you're talking about. It's a fact that what I said was
accurate about the right. Don't you remember Rudy's little convention
speech.

Circumstantial ad hominem?

As if he hasn't provided enough direct proof of his fundy idiocy?

I know, we can figure it out by having a bible quoting contest!

[Candy Man]

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On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:04:41 -0500, H the K
wrote:

On 11/21/09 11:51 AM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:42:41 -0500, H the
wrote:

I dunno, Tim. I was still half asleep this morning when I wrote this.
(My daughter is visiting from Cincy, and we went to the Elks last
night. I stayed up way too late.) But, I know that I didn't seperate
the adjectives by a comma as I should have, for one thing. I suppose
what I wanted to say was;

brazen, loud, clamorous, not-moving-on person who loathes the
"capitalist class"

I can best your ad-hominem spew to a single word to describe you.

I'm certain that those who surround you would agree.


Uh...how did I get into this one?

It's that he finds my missives so unpalatable that he has me filtered,
and he uses others through which to carry on with the conversation.


lol! Thats kinda like watching football games on tv's at Walmart.

I just wish that Walmart would provide seats.

[jps]

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:39:39 -0600, "Candy Man"
wrote:


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On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:04:41 -0500, H the K
wrote:

On 11/21/09 11:51 AM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:42:41 -0500, H the
wrote:

I dunno, Tim. I was still half asleep this morning when I wrote this.
(My daughter is visiting from Cincy, and we went to the Elks last
night. I stayed up way too late.) But, I know that I didn't seperate
the adjectives by a comma as I should have, for one thing. I suppose
what I wanted to say was;

brazen, loud, clamorous, not-moving-on person who loathes the
"capitalist class"

I can best your ad-hominem spew to a single word to describe you.

I'm certain that those who surround you would agree.


Uh...how did I get into this one?

It's that he finds my missives so unpalatable that he has me filtered,
and he uses others through which to carry on with the conversation.


lol! Thats kinda like watching football games on tv's at Walmart.

I just wish that Walmart would provide seats.

A Walmart shopper. Yup. A conservative who likes sending money to
China, as long as he gets the lowest price!!!

GOP, The **** America Party.