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Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too!

http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html

And not much unlike ACORN.


Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to
Hitler...

Jesus was a community organizer?

NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the
earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own
father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes,
and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor
except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own
household."

NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but
go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses
commanded, as a testimony to them."


All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more
interested
in
profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add.

Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out
of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no
extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said,
though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to
provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately,
I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the
Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples.
In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a
community organizer.


There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me
how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to
"provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a
completely ingenuous argument.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply
of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the
time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises,
doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This
fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components.
Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it
doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community
organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the
definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is
anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as
a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty
heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If
anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate
exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's
legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from
which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion.

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No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism.

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[jps]

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as
a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty
heights.

Yes, unless it was a Republican who was elected President after having
served his community in a way that helped them deal with their daily
lives.

Then you'd be perfectly happy with the comparison.

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Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too!

http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html

And not much unlike ACORN.


Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to
Hitler...

Jesus was a community organizer?

NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the
earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own
father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes,
and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor
except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own
household."

NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but
go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses
commanded, as a testimony to them."


All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more
interested
in
profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add.

Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out
of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no
extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said,
though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to
provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately,
I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the
Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples.
In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a
community organizer.


There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me
how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to
"provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a
completely ingenuous argument.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply
of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the
time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises,
doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This
fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components.
Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it
doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community
organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the
definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is
anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as
a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty
heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If
anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate
exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's
legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from
which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion.

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No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism.

So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to
confirm his role as a community organizer?

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[H the K[_2_]]

On 11/20/09 1:19 PM, wrote:

So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to
confirm his role as a community organizer?


Jesus can be whatever you want..., just as "the bible" can prove or
disprove any belief you have.

As an example, to me, if he existed at all, Jesus was a pretty cool dude
with some socially acceptable ideas about his fellow man who spent his
life preaching his vision of Judaism to Jews in the general area in
which he supposedly lived, and who had no idea or desire to convert Jews
or pagans to a new religion. As with every other religion, Christianity
is a creation of man.


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On 11/20/09 1:19 PM, wrote:

So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to
confirm his role as a community organizer?


Jesus can be whatever you want..., just as "the bible" can prove or
disprove any belief you have.

As an example, to me, if he existed at all, Jesus was a pretty cool dude
with some socially acceptable ideas about his fellow man who spent his
life preaching his vision of Judaism to Jews in the general area in
which he supposedly lived, and who had no idea or desire to convert Jews
or pagans to a new religion. As with every other religion, Christianity
is a creation of man.

If Jesus was a pretty cool dude, then he's so simply because you've
created Him that way in your own mind?

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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:31:32 -0500, H the K
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On 11/20/09 1:19 PM, wrote:

So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to
confirm his role as a community organizer?


Jesus can be whatever you want..., just as "the bible" can prove or
disprove any belief you have.

As an example, to me, if he existed at all, Jesus was a pretty cool dude
with some socially acceptable ideas about his fellow man who spent his
life preaching his vision of Judaism to Jews in the general area in
which he supposedly lived, and who had no idea or desire to convert Jews
or pagans to a new religion. As with every other religion, Christianity
is a creation of man.

If Jesus was a pretty cool dude, then he's so simply because you've
created Him that way in your own mind?


Can't speak for Harry, but He was a "cool dude" because of his message of
peace, acceptance, and healing.

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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:31:32 -0500, H the K
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On 11/20/09 1:19 PM, wrote:

So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to
confirm his role as a community organizer?


Jesus can be whatever you want..., just as "the bible" can prove or
disprove any belief you have.

As an example, to me, if he existed at all, Jesus was a pretty cool dude
with some socially acceptable ideas about his fellow man who spent his
life preaching his vision of Judaism to Jews in the general area in
which he supposedly lived, and who had no idea or desire to convert Jews
or pagans to a new religion. As with every other religion, Christianity
is a creation of man.

If Jesus was a pretty cool dude, then he's so simply because you've
created Him that way in your own mind?


Can't speak for Harry, but He was a "cool dude" because of his message of
peace, acceptance, and healing.

His message like this?

NAS Mark 9:19 And He *answered them and *said, "O unbelieving
generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I put up with
you? Bring him to Me!"

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On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too!

http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html

And not much unlike ACORN.


Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to
Hitler...

Jesus was a community organizer?

NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the
earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own
father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters,
yes,
and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor
except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own
household."

NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one;
but
go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses
commanded, as a testimony to them."


All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more
interested
in
profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add.

Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out
of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no
extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said,
though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to
provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately,
I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the
Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples.
In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a
community organizer.


There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell
me
how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need
to
"provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a
completely ingenuous argument.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply
of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the
time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises,
doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This
fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components.
Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it
doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community
organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the
definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is
anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as
a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty
heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If
anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate
exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's
legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from
which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion.

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No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism.

So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to
confirm his role as a community organizer?


It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the
right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do
biblical research.

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[jps]

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On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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"TopBassDog" wrote in message
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Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too!

http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html

And not much unlike ACORN.


Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to
Hitler...

Jesus was a community organizer?

NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the
earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own
father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters,
yes,
and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor
except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own
household."

NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one;
but
go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses
commanded, as a testimony to them."


All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more
interested
in
profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add.

Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out
of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no
extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said,
though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to
provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately,
I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the
Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples.
In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a
community organizer.


There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell
me
how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need
to
"provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a
completely ingenuous argument.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply
of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the
time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises,
doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This
fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components.
Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it
doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community
organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the
definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is
anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as
a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty
heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If
anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate
exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's
legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from
which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion.

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No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism.

So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to
confirm his role as a community organizer?


It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the
right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do
biblical research.

Serial deflector, he is. Forget cogency in debating him. He likes to
jump tracks to gain advantage. Can't face issues head on.

[Candy Man]

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"TopBassDog" wrote in message
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Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too!

http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html

And not much unlike ACORN.


Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to
Hitler...

Jesus was a community organizer?

NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the
earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own
father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters,
yes,
and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor
except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own
household."

NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one;
but
go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that
Moses
commanded, as a testimony to them."


All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more
interested
in
profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add.

Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be
out
of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no
extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said,
though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to
provide those passages that qualifiably make that case.
Alternately,
I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before
the
Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His
disciples.
In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not
a
community organizer.


There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to
tell
me
how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't
need
to
"provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a
completely ingenuous argument.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply
of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the
time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises,
doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This
fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components.
Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it
doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community
organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the
definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is
anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as
a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty
heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If
anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate
exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's
legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from
which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion.

--
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No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism.

So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to
confirm his role as a community organizer?


It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the
right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do
biblical research.

Serial deflector, he is. Forget cogency in debating him. He likes to
jump tracks to gain advantage. Can't face issues head on.

Dude, he posed a question about Jesus being a community organizer. Its you
and Nom that are dodging the issue. It looks to me like he's miles ahead.