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On Nov 19, 9:46*pm, jps wrote:
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Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too!

http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...5b-aae6-5f17-9...

And not much unlike ACORN.

Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler...

Jesus was a community organizer?

NAS Matthew 10:34 *"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the
earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own
father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes,
and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor
except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own
household."

NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but
go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses
commanded, as a testimony to them."

All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested
in
profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add.

Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out
of context. *What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no
extensive excerpts to provide additional context. *That being said,
though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to
provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. *Alternately,
I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the
Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples.
In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," *not a
community organizer.

There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me
how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to
"provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a
completely ingenuous argument.

Nah, he didn't do any organizing. *He just had those guys surrounding
him for playing cards and partying. *Religion and faith in a belief
certainly couldn't be characterized by community, could it?

Loose bible interpretations are part and parcel of the evangelical
movement. *I could quote several passages that could easily be
interpretted to mean Jesus was gay or believed in guns.

Revolutionary? *Like Trotsky or Lenin? *Did they organize people
around ideas? *Oh yeah. *Were people motivated to believe in and act
on behalf of one or the other? *Oh yeah. *Isn't that how Trotsky ended
up witn an ice pick in his forehead while living in Mexico?

Now how did Jesus die and for what? *Not organizing around a set of
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Trotsky was killed by a blow to the back of the head with a cut down
Ice "hatchet" and the wound wasn't imediatly fatal. ie he didn't die
on the spot.

YOu should know how Jesus died, and the reason. It wasn't for partying
and playing cards,.

?;^ )

Jesus died for your sins.

I think he was doing some organizing of sorts. Spreading ideas to
modernize the temple. A rabble rouser.