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On 11/5/09 4:01 PM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
"New York City health officials scrambled to explain themselves on
Thursday following outraged media reports about bankers who got scarce
H1N1 flu vaccines through their employers.

Members of Congress fired off letters demanding immediate explanations
and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reminded state
and city health officers of the need to make sure the most vulnerable
people get shots first."

"....16 of the city's 25 biggest employers had vaccine, including
Columbia University, Citi Group and others, as well as the Federal
Reserve Bank, which is not among the top 25 employers."
and Change.

Kathleen Sebelius is incompetent and should be fired immediately.
She's in charge and she blew it.


This from a yahoo whose highest achievement in life was a stint in the
marines?

snerk

You used to judge people by how high their degrees were piled. This must
make you crap, as Tom's is piled higher and deeper than yours. And he most
likely got it in a North Eastern School and not Kansas.

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:30:22 -0600, wrote:

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

What else would you expect from somebody who lives in the second
whitest city in the US and home of the two most odd genres of
literature around - the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.

People who are socially isolated from the broader perspective of
"diversity" and are subject to badly written soft erotica will
naturally act odd by default.

I guarantee and would put money on the fact that I live in a more
culturally diverse neighborhood and section of town than you.

My kids go to school with kids from 23 nationalties and every religion
you could think of. Public school. Central city.

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:30:22 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:11:04 -0800, jps wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:56:05 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:22:00 -0800, jps wrote:

snipped for relevancy

Now we're into protecting against the next guy. It's not the hostile
country, it's the hostile neighbor. We've grown small and petty.


And you don't see this in your behavior in this NG? Or in Harry's?
Your next insult will be the anecdote to affirm what you've described
of yourself above. Where does change begin?

Frankly, whateveryournameis, my disgust with the system has been
building since Reagan started this greedy bull****.

I'm plenty fed up and in no mood to be civil. If I heard a modicum of
bitching from the right while Bush and Cheney were in office and
sending this country down a ******** between tax cuts and war, I'd be
a little more flexible.

All the greedy assholes thought those tax dollars belonged to the
folks that put 'em in. Turns out they were loans from China.

Now the right wing shows up and starts bitching about spending when
it's about spending on health care and our economy. Didn't hear a
bloody peep when it was bullets, bombs and tax cuts.

So, your side hasn't much credibility (or any at all) and no standing
to talk to me about civility nor patriotism.

If I offer you civility, consider it a gift.

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

You're wrong. I have nothing to offer you but disdain.

Go sell some insurance to some poor sucker.

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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:26:20 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:11:04 -0800, jps wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:56:05 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:22:00 -0800, jps wrote:

snipped for relevancy

Now we're into protecting against the next guy. It's not the hostile
country, it's the hostile neighbor. We've grown small and petty.


And you don't see this in your behavior in this NG? Or in Harry's?
Your next insult will be the anecdote to affirm what you've described
of yourself above. Where does change begin?

Frankly, whateveryournameis, my disgust with the system has been
building since Reagan started this greedy bull****.

I'm plenty fed up and in no mood to be civil. If I heard a modicum of
bitching from the right while Bush and Cheney were in office and
sending this country down a ******** between tax cuts and war, I'd be
a little more flexible.

All the greedy assholes thought those tax dollars belonged to the
folks that put 'em in. Turns out they were loans from China.

Now the right wing shows up and starts bitching about spending when
it's about spending on health care and our economy. Didn't hear a
bloody peep when it was bullets, bombs and tax cuts.

So, your side hasn't much credibility (or any at all) and no standing
to talk to me about civility nor patriotism.

If I offer you civility, consider it a gift.

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.


I think jps has a point though. I think he's wrong to not attempt civility,
but it's a tough road.

Civility is only tough for those that extol its virtue but deny its
exercise, Em. Personal civility is as easily attainable as is
personal charity. A victim, though, will cheat himselves of both
virtues if he languishs in that miserable role, if I may apply some
unction to it (smarmy critter that I am).

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:55:12 -0800, jps wrote:

relegated to page 8

So, your side hasn't much credibility (or any at all) and no standing
to talk to me about civility nor patriotism.

If I offer you civility, consider it a gift.

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

You're wrong. I have nothing to offer you but disdain.


You are offering intangibles? You are offending enmity? You design
phantom enemies to justify grievance. You have no genuine ambition
for civility. The truth of that is ensconced in every note you write.

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:30:22 -0600, wrote:

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

What else would you expect from somebody who lives in the second
whitest city in the US and home of the two most odd genres of
literature around - the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.

People who are socially isolated from the broader perspective of
"diversity" and are subject to badly written soft erotica will
naturally act odd by default.

That's a perspective I hadn't considered.

The sad story in all of this is that he shouts "murderer!" through the
prism of hostility.

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:14:18 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:55:12 -0800, jps wrote:

relegated to page 8

So, your side hasn't much credibility (or any at all) and no standing
to talk to me about civility nor patriotism.

If I offer you civility, consider it a gift.

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

You're wrong. I have nothing to offer you but disdain.


You are offering intangibles? You are offending enmity? You design
phantom enemies to justify grievance. You have no genuine ambition
for civility. The truth of that is ensconced in every note you write.

You just can't hear the greivance, nor could you when the offense was
being committed. You are no arbiter of civility or truth, despite
your assumption of such.

But I'll give you one thing. You certainly share Ms. Prejean's
ability to go solo and I bet you'd best her.

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:


the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.


??

Sorry, Tom. I had to do a double-take on that one. :)

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:02:53 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:26:20 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:11:04 -0800, jps wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:56:05 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:22:00 -0800, jps wrote:

snipped for relevancy

Now we're into protecting against the next guy. It's not the hostile
country, it's the hostile neighbor. We've grown small and petty.


And you don't see this in your behavior in this NG? Or in Harry's?
Your next insult will be the anecdote to affirm what you've described
of yourself above. Where does change begin?

Frankly, whateveryournameis, my disgust with the system has been
building since Reagan started this greedy bull****.

I'm plenty fed up and in no mood to be civil. If I heard a modicum of
bitching from the right while Bush and Cheney were in office and
sending this country down a ******** between tax cuts and war, I'd be
a little more flexible.

All the greedy assholes thought those tax dollars belonged to the
folks that put 'em in. Turns out they were loans from China.

Now the right wing shows up and starts bitching about spending when
it's about spending on health care and our economy. Didn't hear a
bloody peep when it was bullets, bombs and tax cuts.

So, your side hasn't much credibility (or any at all) and no standing
to talk to me about civility nor patriotism.

If I offer you civility, consider it a gift.

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.


I think jps has a point though. I think he's wrong to not attempt civility,
but it's a tough road.

Civility is only tough for those that extol its virtue but deny its
exercise, Em. Personal civility is as easily attainable as is
personal charity. A victim, though, will cheat himselves of both
virtues if he languishs in that miserable role, if I may apply some
unction to it (smarmy critter that I am).

himselves = himself (I've been reading too much Tolkien :)

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:18:36 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:30:22 -0600, wrote:

The only thing you have to offer, or care to offer, is the death of
reason. You are far too removed from it to esteem its worth.

What else would you expect from somebody who lives in the second
whitest city in the US and home of the two most odd genres of
literature around - the Bromance and Lesbian Bodice Rippers.

People who are socially isolated from the broader perspective of
"diversity" and are subject to badly written soft erotica will
naturally act odd by default.

That's a perspective I hadn't considered.

The sad story in all of this is that he shouts "murderer!" through the
prism of hostility.

How perceptive of you. Are you among those who condoned and sat idlly
as the murder took place? Were you in the rooting section when Bush
and Cheney decided to send our fellow citizens and tax dollars to Iraq
for dubious reasons? You weren't dithering, were you?

I know you're whining your little ass off about what's happening with
health care. Are people going to die as a result? Will more dollars
be committed to health care than were focused on war over the last 8
years?