On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:59:16 -0800, Bill McKee wrote:


VN was never really communist. They sided with the Red Chinese, because
we would not support those who wanted their country back. Truman
screwed up big time letting France back into their colonies after WW2.

Vietnam may not have been communist, but Ho Chi Minh certainly was, but
he was also a pragmatist. He made deals with the Chinese Nationalists
(Chiang Kai Shek), and later with the French, to achieve Vietnamese
autonomy. Both parties screwed him over, and the rest is history. You
are right, we never should have backed French imperialism.

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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:59:16 -0800, Bill McKee wrote:


VN was never really communist. They sided with the Red Chinese, because
we would not support those who wanted their country back. Truman
screwed up big time letting France back into their colonies after WW2.

Vietnam may not have been communist, but Ho Chi Minh certainly was, but
he was also a pragmatist. He made deals with the Chinese Nationalists
(Chiang Kai Shek), and later with the French, to achieve Vietnamese
autonomy. Both parties screwed him over, and the rest is history. You
are right, we never should have backed French imperialism.


It's Obama's fault.

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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:59:16 -0800, Bill McKee wrote:


VN was never really communist. They sided with the Red Chinese, because
we would not support those who wanted their country back. Truman
screwed up big time letting France back into their colonies after WW2.

Vietnam may not have been communist, but Ho Chi Minh certainly was, but
he was also a pragmatist. He made deals with the Chinese Nationalists
(Chiang Kai Shek), and later with the French, to achieve Vietnamese
autonomy. Both parties screwed him over, and the rest is history. You
are right, we never should have backed French imperialism.


It's Obama's fault.


No doubt. We actually have posters here who are proud of their efforts
to kill Vietnamese, as if we had some divine right to do so. What we
should have done after WW II was help the Vietnamese throw off the yoke
of French imperialism.

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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:40:26 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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We've done well, but Vietnam hasn't done that well, which was the
point
of
his comment.

Vietnam seems to be doing fine. Have you been furniture shopping
lately? China is complaining that Vietnam is stealing their jobs.

Of course plume is about as sharp and honest as Harry and JPS, Donnie,
etc... The point of my post was that we do not occupy and steal... We
only help and eventually return the country to the people.. Sorry if
that was over the pink army heads...


Seems that you're in competition with a couple of others for
disenginuity.

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Snotty has that doo-rag wrapped too tight.



How topical!

-S

You smell a lot like a recent escapee from a septic tank.




You weren't invited to this party.

-S

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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:40:26 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

We've done well, but Vietnam hasn't done that well, which was the
point
of
his comment.

Vietnam seems to be doing fine. Have you been furniture shopping
lately? China is complaining that Vietnam is stealing their jobs.

Of course plume is about as sharp and honest as Harry and JPS,
Donnie,
etc... The point of my post was that we do not occupy and steal... We
only help and eventually return the country to the people.. Sorry if
that was over the pink army heads...


Seems that you're in competition with a couple of others for
disenginuity.

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Nom=de=Plume

Snotty has that doo-rag wrapped too tight.



How topical!

-S

You smell a lot like a recent escapee from a septic tank.




You weren't invited to this party.

-S


hee

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On 11/5/09 12:53 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:59:16 -0800, Bill McKee wrote:


VN was never really communist. They sided with the Red Chinese,
because
we would not support those who wanted their country back. Truman
screwed up big time letting France back into their colonies after WW2.

Vietnam may not have been communist, but Ho Chi Minh certainly was, but
he was also a pragmatist. He made deals with the Chinese Nationalists
(Chiang Kai Shek), and later with the French, to achieve Vietnamese
autonomy. Both parties screwed him over, and the rest is history. You
are right, we never should have backed French imperialism.


It's Obama's fault.


No doubt. We actually have posters here who are proud of their efforts to
kill Vietnamese, as if we had some divine right to do so. What we should
have done after WW II was help the Vietnamese throw off the yoke of French
imperialism.

We did not need to help them throw off the yoke. It was gone in 1945. But
Truman let France have back all their colonies.

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:01:05 -0500, H the K
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What we
should have done after WW II was help the Vietnamese throw off the yoke
of French imperialism.

We should have just stayed home. The Vietnamese had no problem
throwing off the yoke of the French all by themselves.



Hard to argue with that! But, the domino theory was in full steam ahead
mode.

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:01:05 -0500, H the K
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What we
should have done after WW II was help the Vietnamese throw off the yoke
of French imperialism.

We should have just stayed home. The Vietnamese had no problem
throwing off the yoke of the French all by themselves.



the problem was the Frenchies should have not had it back. And we cost the
Vietnamese a lot in the fight against the French. We were supplying the
munitions. De Gulle, who is not one of the admired by me, at least told Ike
to stay out after the fall of the French. Ike did not listen.

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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:57:27 -0800, "Bill McKee"
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:01:05 -0500, H the K
wrote:

What we
should have done after WW II was help the Vietnamese throw off the yoke
of French imperialism.

We should have just stayed home. The Vietnamese had no problem
throwing off the yoke of the French all by themselves.



the problem was the Frenchies should have not had it back. And we cost
the
Vietnamese a lot in the fight against the French. We were supplying the
munitions. De Gulle, who is not one of the admired by me, at least told
Ike
to stay out after the fall of the French. Ike did not listen.


Ike wanted to covertly arrange a friendly government like he had done
in Iran, Indonesia and Guatemala. JFK was probably thinking along the
same lines until he got spanked in Cuba and then we got that cowboy
Johnson who wanted a war


I don't really think LBJ wanted a war. I think he was sucked into it by the
allure of the anti-communism tone, and then later by the generals. He was
terribly troubled by the toll it was taking on our soldiers, but didn't do
enough to bring it to an end.

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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:57:27 -0800, "Bill McKee"
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:01:05 -0500, H the K
wrote:

What we
should have done after WW II was help the Vietnamese throw off the yoke
of French imperialism.

We should have just stayed home. The Vietnamese had no problem
throwing off the yoke of the French all by themselves.



the problem was the Frenchies should have not had it back. And we cost
the
Vietnamese a lot in the fight against the French. We were supplying the
munitions. De Gulle, who is not one of the admired by me, at least told
Ike
to stay out after the fall of the French. Ike did not listen.


Ike wanted to covertly arrange a friendly government like he had done
in Iran, Indonesia and Guatemala. JFK was probably thinking along the
same lines until he got spanked in Cuba and then we got that cowboy
Johnson who wanted a war


I don't really think LBJ wanted a war. I think he was sucked into it by
the allure of the anti-communism tone, and then later by the generals. He
was terribly troubled by the toll it was taking on our soldiers, but
didn't do enough to bring it to an end.

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LBJ cause a huge toll on our soldiers. Him and his defense secretary
micromanaging.