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What we
should have done after WW II was help the Vietnamese throw off the
yoke
of French imperialism.

We should have just stayed home. The Vietnamese had no problem
throwing off the yoke of the French all by themselves.



the problem was the Frenchies should have not had it back. And we cost
the
Vietnamese a lot in the fight against the French. We were supplying the
munitions. De Gulle, who is not one of the admired by me, at least told
Ike
to stay out after the fall of the French. Ike did not listen.


Ike wanted to covertly arrange a friendly government like he had done
in Iran, Indonesia and Guatemala. JFK was probably thinking along the
same lines until he got spanked in Cuba and then we got that cowboy
Johnson who wanted a war


I don't really think LBJ wanted a war. I think he was sucked into it by
the allure of the anti-communism tone, and then later by the generals. He
was terribly troubled by the toll it was taking on our soldiers, but
didn't do enough to bring it to an end.

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Nom=de=Plume


LBJ cause a huge toll on our soldiers. Him and his defense secretary
micromanaging.

He and his defense secretary... whatever. Yes, but the biggest toll was
continually escalating.

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On 11/8/09 4:33 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:57:27 -0800, "Bill McKee"
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:01:05 -0500, H the K
wrote:

What we
should have done after WW II was help the Vietnamese throw off the
yoke
of French imperialism.

We should have just stayed home. The Vietnamese had no problem
throwing off the yoke of the French all by themselves.



the problem was the Frenchies should have not had it back. And we cost
the
Vietnamese a lot in the fight against the French. We were supplying the
munitions. De Gulle, who is not one of the admired by me, at least told
Ike
to stay out after the fall of the French. Ike did not listen.


Ike wanted to covertly arrange a friendly government like he had done
in Iran, Indonesia and Guatemala. JFK was probably thinking along the
same lines until he got spanked in Cuba and then we got that cowboy
Johnson who wanted a war


I don't really think LBJ wanted a war. I think he was sucked into it by
the allure of the anti-communism tone, and then later by the generals. He
was terribly troubled by the toll it was taking on our soldiers, but
didn't do enough to bring it to an end.

--
Nom=de=Plume


LBJ cause a huge toll on our soldiers. Him and his defense secretary
micromanaging.

He and his defense secretary... whatever. Yes, but the biggest toll was
continually escalating.



Especially in a war in countries where there was no reason for us to be
out there killing.

That part of it -the killing- probably turned on losers like herring and
flajim.

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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:57:27 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:01:05 -0500, H the K
wrote:

What we
should have done after WW II was help the Vietnamese throw off the yoke
of French imperialism.

We should have just stayed home. The Vietnamese had no problem
throwing off the yoke of the French all by themselves.



the problem was the Frenchies should have not had it back. And we cost
the
Vietnamese a lot in the fight against the French. We were supplying the
munitions. De Gulle, who is not one of the admired by me, at least told
Ike
to stay out after the fall of the French. Ike did not listen.


Ike wanted to covertly arrange a friendly government like he had done
in Iran, Indonesia and Guatemala. JFK was probably thinking along the
same lines until he got spanked in Cuba and then we got that cowboy
Johnson who wanted a war


I don't really think LBJ wanted a war. I think he was sucked into it by
the allure of the anti-communism tone, and then later by the generals. He
was terribly troubled by the toll it was taking on our soldiers, but
didn't do enough to bring it to an end.

--
Nom=de=Plume


LBJ cause a huge toll on our soldiers. Him and his defense secretary
micromanaging.

LBJ suffered from inflated ego and hubris.

McNamara thought he could conduct a war with a calculator.

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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:57:27 -0800, "Bill McKee"
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:01:05 -0500, H the K
wrote:

What we
should have done after WW II was help the Vietnamese throw off the
yoke
of French imperialism.

We should have just stayed home. The Vietnamese had no problem
throwing off the yoke of the French all by themselves.



the problem was the Frenchies should have not had it back. And we
cost
the
Vietnamese a lot in the fight against the French. We were supplying
the
munitions. De Gulle, who is not one of the admired by me, at least
told
Ike
to stay out after the fall of the French. Ike did not listen.


Ike wanted to covertly arrange a friendly government like he had done
in Iran, Indonesia and Guatemala. JFK was probably thinking along the
same lines until he got spanked in Cuba and then we got that cowboy
Johnson who wanted a war


I don't really think LBJ wanted a war. I think he was sucked into it by
the allure of the anti-communism tone, and then later by the generals.
He
was terribly troubled by the toll it was taking on our soldiers, but
didn't do enough to bring it to an end.

--
Nom=de=Plume


LBJ cause a huge toll on our soldiers. Him and his defense secretary
micromanaging.

LBJ suffered from inflated ego and hubris.

McNamara thought he could conduct a war with a calculator.


No argument there...

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Nom=de=Plume

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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:57:27 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:01:05 -0500, H the K
wrote:

What we
should have done after WW II was help the Vietnamese throw off the
yoke
of French imperialism.

We should have just stayed home. The Vietnamese had no problem
throwing off the yoke of the French all by themselves.



the problem was the Frenchies should have not had it back. And we
cost
the
Vietnamese a lot in the fight against the French. We were supplying
the
munitions. De Gulle, who is not one of the admired by me, at least
told
Ike
to stay out after the fall of the French. Ike did not listen.


Ike wanted to covertly arrange a friendly government like he had done
in Iran, Indonesia and Guatemala. JFK was probably thinking along the
same lines until he got spanked in Cuba and then we got that cowboy
Johnson who wanted a war


I don't really think LBJ wanted a war. I think he was sucked into it
by
the allure of the anti-communism tone, and then later by the generals.
He
was terribly troubled by the toll it was taking on our soldiers, but
didn't do enough to bring it to an end.

--
Nom=de=Plume


LBJ cause a huge toll on our soldiers. Him and his defense secretary
micromanaging.

LBJ suffered from inflated ego and hubris.

McNamara thought he could conduct a war with a calculator.


No argument there...

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Nom=de=Plume


Plus he made millions from the war. Lady Birds investments did well. LBJ
was near bankrupt when he took over as President and left 4 years later with
$4 million net worth. When a million was a lot.