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Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.


Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.


I don't think most GIs think it's a crusade. Certainly, the Iraqis/Afghanis
do.

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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.


Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.


I don't think most GIs think it's a crusade. Certainly, the Iraqis/Afghanis
do.

Did you just make that up or did you get it from MoveOn.org?

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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.


Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.


I don't think most GIs think it's a crusade. Certainly, the
Iraqis/Afghanis
do.

Did you just make that up or did you get it from MoveOn.org?


Please show where the regular GI thinks it's a crusade.

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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.


Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.


I don't think most GIs think it's a crusade. Certainly, the
Iraqis/Afghanis
do.

Did you just make that up or did you get it from MoveOn.org?


Please show where the regular GI thinks it's a crusade.

Notice how he didn't call you a name but disparaged your ability to
synthesize information for yourself. Projecting that you must have
gotten it from a website since that's where he gets his thoughts.

Herring was probably good at taking instructions and respecting his
commanding officers. From the drivel he posts, I'm guessing his
commanding officer now works for Worldnet Daily.

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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.


Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.


I don't think most GIs think it's a crusade. Certainly, the
Iraqis/Afghanis
do.

Did you just make that up or did you get it from MoveOn.org?


Please show where the regular GI thinks it's a crusade.

Notice how he didn't call you a name but disparaged your ability to
synthesize information for yourself. Projecting that you must have
gotten it from a website since that's where he gets his thoughts.

Herring was probably good at taking instructions and respecting his
commanding officers. From the drivel he posts, I'm guessing his
commanding officer now works for Worldnet Daily.

Notice that Herring wasn't in this series of posts. Of course, that
makes no difference, jps makes things up as he goes, according to
Tosk. Actually, I'm thinking that may be correct.

Actually, one of my commanders was Secretary of State. He's now
retired. Oh, and Bill Clinton was one of my commanders also.

I'm really disappointed that jps saw fit to disparage me with only two
paragraphs about me. That's quite disappointing.

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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.


Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.


I don't think most GIs think it's a crusade. Certainly, the
Iraqis/Afghanis
do.


To GIs it is just a mission, Yes sir and take the fkn hill. That is
what they do for a living.
That is one reason why I don't pay much attention to generals telling
is what we should do. They are the nation's hammer and to them
everything looks like a nail.

Somebody has to stand back away from the fight and ask, what are our
objectives and can they be achieved with military force.
In Afghanistan the answer to that has always been no.



I agree. I think that assessment is going on now. Latest I heard was the
go/no go decision will be made after the runoff. According to the generals,
that's still in the timeframe of doable if Obama decides to escalate.

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