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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:36:16 GMT, KK wrote:
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:12:25 -0700, jps wrote: Yeah, that was the money Bush insisted was ours and proceeded to give it to the wealthiest 1%. That's a lie. 70% of people in the second-lowest quintile benefited from the cuts. Even 16% of those in the *lowest* 20% benefited - and most of them don't pay income tax. The share of total federal taxes paid by the 80-99th percentile of earners *increased* by half a percent (you're welcome). Those in the top 1% had the greatest absolute benefit, yes - because they pay more in taxes than anyone else. And they need the money more than anyone else. |
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:01:58 -0700, jps wrote:
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:36:16 GMT, KK wrote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:12:25 -0700, jps wrote: Yeah, that was the money Bush insisted was ours and proceeded to give it to the wealthiest 1%. That's a lie. 70% of people in the second-lowest quintile benefited from the cuts. Even 16% of those in the *lowest* 20% benefited - and most of them don't pay income tax. The share of total federal taxes paid by the 80-99th percentile of earners *increased* by half a percent (you're welcome). Those in the top 1% had the greatest absolute benefit, yes - because they pay more in taxes than anyone else. And they need the money more than anyone else. It's astounding that you place no significance whatsoever on the fact that it's theirs in the first place. They've worked or risked or invested to obtain it. And - regardless of who "needs" it (and in my opinion, a government whose biggest expense is paying interest on its out-of-control-spending is the abso****ing *LAST* one who needs it) if a tax rate - any tax rate - is lowered, of course the ones who pay the most will save the greatest number of dollars. It's just math. |
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:35:19 GMT, KK wrote:
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:01:58 -0700, jps wrote: On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:36:16 GMT, KK wrote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:12:25 -0700, jps wrote: Yeah, that was the money Bush insisted was ours and proceeded to give it to the wealthiest 1%. That's a lie. 70% of people in the second-lowest quintile benefited from the cuts. Even 16% of those in the *lowest* 20% benefited - and most of them don't pay income tax. The share of total federal taxes paid by the 80-99th percentile of earners *increased* by half a percent (you're welcome). Those in the top 1% had the greatest absolute benefit, yes - because they pay more in taxes than anyone else. And they need the money more than anyone else. It's astounding that you place no significance whatsoever on the fact that it's theirs in the first place. They've worked or risked or invested to obtain it. What's astounding is that folks like you don't recognize the middle class is getting wiped out while the wealthy increase their lot. What you don't recognize is fair play or perhaps we just have radically different views on parity. Evidently so. |
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:40:54 -0700, jps wrote:
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:35:19 GMT, KK wrote: On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:01:58 -0700, jps wrote: On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:36:16 GMT, KK wrote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:12:25 -0700, jps wrote: Yeah, that was the money Bush insisted was ours and proceeded to give it to the wealthiest 1%. That's a lie. 70% of people in the second-lowest quintile benefited from the cuts. Even 16% of those in the *lowest* 20% benefited - and most of them don't pay income tax. The share of total federal taxes paid by the 80-99th percentile of earners *increased* by half a percent (you're welcome). Those in the top 1% had the greatest absolute benefit, yes - because they pay more in taxes than anyone else. And they need the money more than anyone else. It's astounding that you place no significance whatsoever on the fact that it's theirs in the first place. They've worked or risked or invested to obtain it. What's astounding is that folks like you don't recognize the middle class is getting wiped out while the wealthy increase their lot. And excluding the wealthy from an across-the-board tax cut isn't going to change whatever "wiping out" you think is going on. If you really think people have zero claim to what they earn, you might as well advocate all wages being put together and divided equally. I guess you'd think that's "fair"? I've asked others with no good answer. The state and feds take 50% of my income (before gas tax, sales tax, property tax, liquor tax, etc., etc., etc.,). You apparently think that's not too much - but to you, how much *would be* too much? What you don't recognize is fair play or perhaps we just have radically different views on parity. Evidently so. Yes, I believe in the crazy notion that people are entitled to what they work for. |
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:27:56 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
wrote: You have a lot to learn about surpluses, deficits and the national debt, Queenie. That's probably true. |
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:13:31 -0400, "lab~rat :-)"
wrote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:59:14 -0400, queenie puked: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:18:18 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)" wrote: queenie wrote in : That mess was caused by both sides of the aisle, not just one. Bush tax cuts among other things. Still, Obama is doing what he can to fix things. He's not. He has an agenda that runs counter to fixing things. You don't spend billions upon billions on pointless bull**** when you inherit a deficit and fix anything. So what would you do? What solutions did the Republicans offer? |
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queenie wrote in
: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:27:56 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)" wrote: You have a lot to learn about surpluses, deficits and the national debt, Queenie. That's probably true. That's a start. ![]() -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who hasn't read it, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes because he didn't understand TurboTax, overseen by an obese Surgeon General and financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong? |
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"RD (The Sandman)" wrote in message
... ... You said the Courts ruled that FOX can tell their people to lie... Are you denying it? Jim |
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Clave wrote:
"RD (The Sandman)" wrote in message ... ... You said the Courts ruled that FOX can tell their people to lie... Are you denying it? Jim Are you PROVING IT, clammie dear? |
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