Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

On Sep 21, 10:58*pm, Wilson Woods wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:12:00 -0700, Wilson Woods
wrote:

In 1964, when Republicans objected to the Civil Rights Act because it
would lead to quotas, Hubert Humphrey notoriously said he would "start
eating the pages one after another, because [language mandating quotas]
is not in there." *Of course, it didn't matter that the language wasn't
in there - the act *DID* lead to quotas.

There is no language in any funding bill for public education in any
state that explicitly provides for providing public schooling to illegal
aliens, but we now have a regime that *mandates* providing public
schooling to illegal aliens.

Why would any serious person think the same thing won't happen with
health care for illegal aliens under Obamacare legislation? *Of *course*
it will! *Leftists - Obama included - overtly sympathize with illegals.
*MALDEF, ACLU, ACORN MEChA, and all the other far-left organizations
that want to destroy America, and who *today* already sympathize with
illegal aliens, can barely wait for the ink to dry on any Obamacare bill
before they run into federal court and demand that coverage extend to
illegals. *And when they do, Obama's administration will file amicus
briefs with the courts agreeing with the plaintiffs.

Guaranteed.

They're not listening.

Conservatives and moderates aren't listening. *Illegal alien loving
"liberals" are, and they're laughing, because they know it's true.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

the right's not listening because they've already destroyed america.
we're on the road to being a 3rd world country, courtesy of 30 years
of reagonomics.

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

On Sep 22, 7:41*am, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 21, 10:58*pm, Wilson Woods wrote:





wrote:
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:12:00 -0700, Wilson Woods
wrote:

In 1964, when Republicans objected to the Civil Rights Act because it
would lead to quotas, Hubert Humphrey notoriously said he would "start
eating the pages one after another, because [language mandating quotas]
is not in there." *Of course, it didn't matter that the language wasn't
in there - the act *DID* lead to quotas.

There is no language in any funding bill for public education in any
state that explicitly provides for providing public schooling to illegal
aliens, but we now have a regime that *mandates* providing public
schooling to illegal aliens.

Why would any serious person think the same thing won't happen with
health care for illegal aliens under Obamacare legislation? *Of *course*
it will! *Leftists - Obama included - overtly sympathize with illegals.
*MALDEF, ACLU, ACORN MEChA, and all the other far-left organizations
that want to destroy America, and who *today* already sympathize with
illegal aliens, can barely wait for the ink to dry on any Obamacare bill
before they run into federal court and demand that coverage extend to
illegals. *And when they do, Obama's administration will file amicus
briefs with the courts agreeing with the plaintiffs.

Guaranteed.

They're not listening.

Conservatives and moderates aren't listening. *Illegal alien loving
"liberals" are, and they're laughing, because they know it's true.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

the right's not listening because they've already destroyed america.
we're on the road to being a 3rd world country, courtesy of 30 years
of reagonomics.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I would suggest to you that Carter & Clinton did, and Obama will do,
more damage to American interests domestically and abroad than GWB
EVER did during his eight years in office.

Obama, on the other hand, is lying through his teeth about almost
everything in both domestic affairs and foreign affairs. He's lied
about health care costs, he's lied to seniors about Medicare and
Medicare Advantage, he can't even get his story straight about his own
daughter (Michelle and Barry told two completely different stories
about their daughter's meningitis incident), he fabricated two
completely false horror stories about dropped insurance coverage,
abandoned Eastern Europe without gaining anything from the Russians
including the Russians placing missiles on the Polish border, he's
abandoning Isreal to its fate, foreign heads of government think he's
an empty suit, he's lied about Cap and Trade, he's lied about tax
increases, Iran and North Korea are making him look foolish and even
the damn French don't like him.

When are you guys going to wake up?

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

On Sep 22, 8:54*am, Toots Sweet wrote:
On Sep 22, 7:41*am, wf3h wrote:


the right's not listening because they've already destroyed america.
we're on the road to being a 3rd world country, courtesy of 30 years
of reagonomics.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I would suggest to you that Carter & Clinton did, and Obama will do,
more damage to American interests domestically and abroad than GWB
EVER did during his eight years in office.

middle class incomes rose under clinton. they collapsed under bush. if
you disagree, post the data. the lastest salary surveys show middle
class income increased about 1.5% a year under clinton...and went
nowhere under bush

the RICH, however, did EXTREMELY well under bush, with the income of
the richest 1% almost tripling under his regime

so i realize you're a liar. but DO try to do it in a way that sucks
the cock of the rich in a less obsequious manner, OK?


Obama, on the other hand, is lying through his teeth about almost
everything in both domestic affairs and foreign affairs. He's lied
about health care costs,

what could he lie about? that we have the most costly and least
efficient health care in the world, courtesy of your rich friends?

he's lied to seniors about Medicare and
Medicare Advantage, he can't even get his story straight about his own
daughter (Michelle and Barry told two completely different stories
about their daughter's meningitis incident),

nobody cares

he fabricated two
completely false horror stories about dropped insurance coverage,
abandoned Eastern Europe without gaining anything from the Russians
including the Russians placing missiles on the Polish border,

you mean the missile system, favored by bush, that would have cost
BILLIONS,

and doesn't work? that the system you're referring to? and, of course,
he's replacing it with a system that DOES work...the aegis system...

oh. you're ****ed because those billions would have gone to bush's
rich friends

he's
abandoning Isreal to its fate,

abandoning israel? anyone believe that? bueller? bueller?

foreign heads of government think he's
an empty suit, he's lied about Cap and Trade, he's lied about tax
increases, Iran and North Korea are making him look foolish and even
the damn French don't like him.

iran and n. korea...n. korea became a nuclear power under bush. they
did their first nuke test under bush. iran started its centrifuges
under bush.

you seem to have forgotten obama's been president for 8 months. you
have him confused with bush.

all the failures you've mentioned...ALL of them...happnened under bush

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

On Sep 22, 9:25*am, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 22, 8:54*am, Toots Sweet wrote:

On Sep 22, 7:41*am, wf3h wrote:

the right's not listening because they've already destroyed america..
we're on the road to being a 3rd world country, courtesy of 30 years
of reagonomics.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I would suggest to you that Carter & Clinton did, and Obama will do,
more damage to American interests domestically and abroad than GWB
EVER did during his eight years in office.

middle class incomes rose under clinton. they collapsed under bush. if
you disagree, post the data. the lastest salary surveys show middle
class income increased about 1.5% a year under clinton...and went
nowhere under bush

Has nothing to do with the FACT that Obama is lying now does that.

Absoutely nothing.

the RICH, *however, did EXTREMELY well under bush, with the income of
the richest 1% almost tripling under his regime

So? Who creates wealth - the government? Don't blame GWB for lousy
investment choices you made.

so i realize *you're a liar. but DO try to do it in a way that sucks
the cock of the rich in a less obsequious manner, OK?

Yes exactly what I wanted to see. The last refuge of those whose
arguments are destroyed - foul language.

How utterly typical.

Obama, on the other hand, is lying through his teeth about almost
everything in both domestic affairs and foreign affairs. He's lied
about health care costs,

what could he lie about? that we have the most costly and least
efficient health care in the world, courtesy of your rich friends?

Really. Well, that must explain why 90% of the American populace
likes their health insurance and want to keep it. That must also
explain the ready availability of health care when you catch a cold
and run do the doctor. That must explain all the CAT/PET/MRI testing
available. That certainly must explain all the recent advances in
terminal cancer care. That must explain cheapo flu shots. Drug
investments. That must explain why Canadians and other people from
other countries come here for advanced treatments.

IT'S THE RICH!!!

Honestly - do you ever actually think? Logically? About anything?

*he's lied to seniors about Medicare and

Medicare Advantage, he can't even get his story straight about his own
daughter (Michelle and Barry told two completely different stories
about their daughter's meningitis incident),

nobody cares

Not true. People do care. They care a lot. And you and your fellow
leftists saw just how powerful the "average" American feels about
everything.

Oh, and before you claim that it was all "special interests", please
explain why the SEIU beat up people and restricted access to the "town
halls" after it became an issue when the ladies and gentlemen of our
Congress were confronted by angry average Americans? Explain why
Democratic Congressmen and women in secure seats had to hide behind
pre-screened "tele conferences" rather than explain all this in person
to their constituents?

One more thing - please explain why Federal, State and Union medical
benefits will not change while all other Americans will have to change
their plans if they want to stay insured. You might want to think
about this also. If these plans are so great, why aren't our
legislators at the State and Federal level participating in all this
health care change goodness?

*he fabricated two

completely false horror stories about dropped insurance coverage,
abandoned Eastern Europe without gaining anything from the Russians
including the Russians placing missiles on the Polish border,

you mean the missile system, favored by bush, that would have cost
BILLIONS,

and doesn't work? that the system you're referring to? and, of course,
he's replacing it with a system that DOES work...the aegis system...

The Aegis System won't work either - not against ICBMs.

With respect to "doesn't work", I think the Air Force would beg to
differ. There are Youtube videos of successful tests. I suggest that
you look them up. Not that it will convince you in particular because
you are inculcated into the liberal mind set (frozen in time you might
say), but it might convince others that you aren't being entirely
truthful and have, in fact, drank the Kool-Aid of leftist political
thought.

oh. you're ****ed because those billions would have gone to bush's
rich friends

Not at all. Extrapolation isn't one of your strong points I see.

I'm "****ed", as you so delightfully put it, because when Iran gets to
chucking nuclear missiles around the Middle East, I'll have to say I
told you so and that would annoy me to no end.

he's

abandoning Isreal to its fate,

abandoning israel? anyone believe that? *bueller? bueller?

Yes - the Isrealies believe it and they know it to be true. They are
being thrown to the wolves in the name of "peace".

*foreign heads of government think he's

an empty suit, he's lied about Cap and Trade, he's lied about tax
increases, Iran and North Korea are making him look foolish and even
the damn French don't like him.

iran and n. korea...n. korea became a nuclear power under bush. *they
did their first nuke test under bush. iran started its centrifuges
under bush.

Oh gosh - another trite BOOOOOOSH comment. Clinton allowed it -
Albright was his go-to gal on that one. I can see history isn't one
of your strong points either.

you seem to have forgotten obama's been president for 8 months. you
have him confused with bush.

I'm fully aware that President Obama has been in office for 8 months.
I'm also fully aware that he's becoming a complete and total failure
in terms of leadership not to mention that the country is now
officially worse off than it was under President Bush. And that's
hard to do.

all the failures you've mentioned...ALL of them...happnened under bush

Amusing.

Well, it has been fun to say the least. It's not often I get to
"discuss" issues with religious converts. It's like talking to the
Taliban about theology only in this case, it's our own people who
should know better.

Have a great day. And do try to at least think a little. It might
change your opinions.

Then again, the odds of that happening are miniscule to say the least.

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

wf3h wrote:
On Sep 21, 10:58 pm, Wilson Woods wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:12:00 -0700, Wilson Woods
wrote:
In 1964, when Republicans objected to the Civil Rights Act because it
would lead to quotas, Hubert Humphrey notoriously said he would "start
eating the pages one after another, because [language mandating quotas]
is not in there." Of course, it didn't matter that the language wasn't
in there - the act *DID* lead to quotas.
There is no language in any funding bill for public education in any
state that explicitly provides for providing public schooling to illegal
aliens, but we now have a regime that *mandates* providing public
schooling to illegal aliens.
Why would any serious person think the same thing won't happen with
health care for illegal aliens under Obamacare legislation? Of *course*
it will! Leftists - Obama included - overtly sympathize with illegals.
MALDEF, ACLU, ACORN MEChA, and all the other far-left organizations
that want to destroy America, and who *today* already sympathize with
illegal aliens, can barely wait for the ink to dry on any Obamacare bill
before they run into federal court and demand that coverage extend to
illegals. And when they do, Obama's administration will file amicus
briefs with the courts agreeing with the plaintiffs.
Guaranteed.
They're not listening.
Conservatives and moderates aren't listening. Illegal alien loving
"liberals" are, and they're laughing, because they know it's true.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

the right's not listening because they've already destroyed america.

No.

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

On Sep 22, 10:10*am, Toots Sweet wrote:
On Sep 22, 9:25*am, wf3h wrote:


middle class incomes rose under clinton. they collapsed under bush. if
you disagree, post the data. the lastest salary surveys show middle
class income increased about 1.5% a year under clinton...and went
nowhere under bush

Has nothing to do with the FACT that Obama is lying now does that.

IOW you admit the middle class has been destroyed by the rich and
nothing obama is doing will cause more damage

but you're paranoid about obama. yep. sounds like a right wing
fanatic.

the RICH, *however, did EXTREMELY well under bush, with the income of
the richest 1% almost tripling under his regime

So? *Who creates wealth - the government? *Don't blame GWB for lousy
investment choices you made.

wealth? you mean my -35% change in my 401K? that the wealth you
talking about? or how about the wealth where i have to pay more taxes
to bail out the rich hedge fund managers, banks, etc.

perhaps if you could tell me WHERE this fabled wealth is that the rich
create for the middle class actually IS you'd have some credibility.

and i didn't make the choice. shearson did. goldman sachs did. Bof A
did. all the while you're sucking the dick of the rich, they're
stealing from you...as you ADMIT...then you blame it on obama

jesus you're freakin' stupid.


Obama, on the other hand, is lying through his teeth about almost
everything in both domestic affairs and foreign affairs. He's lied
about health care costs,

what could he lie about? that we have the most costly and least
efficient health care in the world, courtesy of your rich friends?

Really. *Well, that must explain why 90% of the American populace
likes their health insurance and want to keep it.

that's because they rarely use it.

That must also
explain the ready availability of health care when you catch a cold
and run do the doctor.

really? i've got a buddy who's a cop near pittsburgh. the only
physical he got in the last 30 years was the one i gave him when i was
in nursing school. he doesn't have health insurance.

so perhaps you're willing to trust your family's health to student
nurses. is that what you're saying? or you're willing to go without
care for 30 years?


*That must explain all the CAT/PET/MRI testing
available. *That certainly must explain all the recent advances in
terminal cancer care. *That must explain cheapo flu shots. *Drug
investments. *That must explain why Canadians and other people from
other countries come here for advanced treatments.

IT'S THE RICH!!!

funny that OTHER countries with 'socialized medicine' have EXACTLY the
same healthcare available.

oh. you forgot about that because you're busy sucking rich tit.



Honestly - do you ever actually think? *Logically? *About anything?

says the guy who just dropped in from mars...


*he's lied to seniors about Medicare and

Medicare Advantage, he can't even get his story straight about his own
daughter (Michelle and Barry told two completely different stories
about their daughter's meningitis incident),

nobody cares

Not true. *People do care. *They care a lot. And you and your fellow
leftists saw just how powerful the "average" American feels about
everything.

really? you think someone who lost his job, and his healthcare stays
awake at night saying 'i wonder what's going on with the obama kids'

christ you right wingers live in a bubble.


Oh, and before you claim that it was all "special interests", please
explain why the SEIU beat up people and restricted access to the "town
halls" after it became an issue when the ladies and gentlemen of our
Congress were confronted by angry average Americans?

uh the last time i checked the SEIU wasn't part of the US govt.
perhaps you've heard otherwise.

*Explain why
Democratic Congressmen and women in secure seats had to hide behind
pre-screened "tele conferences" rather than explain all this in person
to their constituents?

uh huh. kind of like when cheney met behind closed doors with the
chairman of exxon/mobile and all of a sudden we had an energy policy!!



One more thing - please explain why Federal, State and Union medical
benefits will not change while all other Americans will have to change
their plans if they want to stay insured. *You might want to think
about this also. *If these plans are so great, why aren't our
legislators at the State and Federal level participating in all this
health care change goodness?

no one's going to have to change anything. you just seem to think that
the rich will provide everything. if so, tell me how my friend gets
health insurance while he's on duty protecting people like you who
tell him how lucky he is not to have health coverage...


*he fabricated two

completely false horror stories about dropped insurance coverage,
abandoned Eastern Europe without gaining anything from the Russians
including the Russians placing missiles on the Polish border,

you mean the missile system, favored by bush, that would have cost
BILLIONS,

and doesn't work? that the system you're referring to? and, of course,
he's replacing it with a system that DOES work...the aegis system...

The Aegis System won't work either - not against ICBMs.

hey idiot...iran doesn't have ICBM's. christ you ARE
stupid...amazingly stupid...a perfect storm of stupidity

and the system obama cancelled?

IT DOESNT WORK AGAINST ICBM's...but it WOULD cost BILLIONS of dollars

typical right winger. spend LOTS of money on something that DOESNT
work merely to enrich the rich and to pretend he's a patriot

no wonder you love bush. he's as incompetent as you are



With respect to "doesn't work", I think the Air Force would beg to
differ. *There are Youtube videos of successful tests.

ROFLMAO!! hey moron. i'm an engineer. you can make ANY test come out
successful if you want. go ahead tell me how this system would work
against REALY ICBM's that iran doesn't have, OK?


*I suggest that
you look them up. *Not that it will convince you in particular because
you are inculcated into the liberal mind set (frozen in time you might
say), but it might convince others that you aren't being entirely
truthful and have, in fact, drank the Kool-Aid of leftist political
thought.

uh huh. i suppose you right wingers think that, if you close your
eyes, and click your heels together, all those nasty problems will
just go away...

how's toto by the by?



oh. you're ****ed because those billions would have gone to bush's
rich friends

Not at all. Extrapolation isn't one of your strong points I see.

I'm "****ed", as you so delightfully put it, because when Iran gets to
chucking nuclear missiles around the Middle East, I'll have to say I
told you so and that would annoy me to no end.

it wouldn't bother me in the least if iran nuked the middle east.
couldn't happen to a nicer group of people.

and you? you'd spend billions we don't have, just to make sure the
rich stay rich, on a system that, when the nukes go off, wouldn't work
worth a damn....


he's

abandoning Isreal to its fate,

abandoning israel? anyone believe that? *bueller? bueller?

Yes - the Isrealies believe it and they know it to be true. *They are
being thrown to the wolves in the name of "peace".

ah. 'they' know it to be true. and we know this because you're saying
it.

golly...


*foreign heads of government think he's

an empty suit, he's lied about Cap and Trade, he's lied about tax
increases, Iran and North Korea are making him look foolish and even
the damn French don't like him.

iran and n. korea...n. korea became a nuclear power under bush. *they
did their first nuke test under bush. iran started its centrifuges
under bush.

Oh gosh - another trite BOOOOOOSH comment. *Clinton allowed it -
Albright was his go-to gal on that one. *I can see history isn't one
of your strong points either.

uh...the nuke test was done in n. korea under bush. bush did
absolutely nothing about it. and yet you blame obama

IOW you don't know what year this is.




you seem to have forgotten obama's been president for 8 months. you
have him confused with bush.

I'm fully aware that President Obama has been in office for 8 months.
I'm also fully aware that he's becoming a complete and total failure
in terms of leadership not to mention that the country is now
officially worse off than it was under President Bush. *And that's
hard to do.

as i said....every failure you attribute to obama happened under the
bush administration. all of them

yet you think obama's been president for 8 years. amazing how you
right wingers think

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

wf3h wrote:
On Sep 22, 10:10 am, Toots Sweet wrote:
On Sep 22, 9:25 am, wf3h wrote:

middle class incomes rose under clinton. they collapsed under bush. if
you disagree, post the data. the lastest salary surveys show middle
class income increased about 1.5% a year under clinton...and went
nowhere under bush
Has nothing to do with the FACT that Obama is lying now does that.

IOW you admit the middle class has been destroyed by the rich and
nothing obama is doing will cause more damage

but you're paranoid about obama. yep. sounds like a right wing
fanatic.


The only thing about the "toot" sock puppet worth knowing is which one
of the right-wing regulars in rec.boats is he. He's already in my bozo
bin, along with most of the rest of the right-wing diarrhea that stinks
up this joint...and the country.



--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

On Sep 22, 11:16*am, H the K wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 22, 10:10 am, Toots Sweet wrote:
On Sep 22, 9:25 am, wf3h wrote:

middle class incomes rose under clinton. they collapsed under bush. if
you disagree, post the data. the lastest salary surveys show middle
class income increased about 1.5% a year under clinton...and went
nowhere under bush
Has nothing to do with the FACT that Obama is lying now does that.

IOW you admit the middle class has been destroyed by the rich and
nothing obama is doing will cause more damage

but you're paranoid about obama. yep. sounds like a right wing
fanatic.

The only thing about the "toot" sock puppet worth knowing is which one
of the right-wing regulars in rec.boats is he. He's already in my bozo
bin, along with most of the rest of the right-wing diarrhea that stinks
up this joint...and the country.


i gotta say, reading his **** is like walking into a firestorm of
stupidity. it's incredible how many different lies one moron can
believe....he believes EVERY wrong thing that rush ever said...

which is pretty much everything rush has ever said.

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

wf3h wrote:
On Sep 22, 11:16 am, H the K wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 22, 10:10 am, Toots Sweet wrote:
On Sep 22, 9:25 am, wf3h wrote:
middle class incomes rose under clinton. they collapsed under bush. if
you disagree, post the data. the lastest salary surveys show middle
class income increased about 1.5% a year under clinton...and went
nowhere under bush
Has nothing to do with the FACT that Obama is lying now does that.
IOW you admit the middle class has been destroyed by the rich and
nothing obama is doing will cause more damage
but you're paranoid about obama. yep. sounds like a right wing
fanatic.
The only thing about the "toot" sock puppet worth knowing is which one
of the right-wing regulars in rec.boats is he. He's already in my bozo
bin, along with most of the rest of the right-wing diarrhea that stinks
up this joint...and the country.


i gotta say, reading his **** is like walking into a firestorm of
stupidity. it's incredible how many different lies one moron can
believe....he believes EVERY wrong thing that rush ever said...

which is pretty much everything rush has ever said.


The group of 'em ought to be called "Woofie and the Dogmatics."

--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

On Sep 22, 11:10*am, wf3h wrote:

yet you think obama's been president for 8 years. amazing how you
right wingers think

I heard the grape flavored Kool Aid is the best for covering up the
taste of the arsenic.

Poor guy - suffering such indignities at the hands of poor old stupid
"righties" daring to point out the obvious flaws in your oh so silly
little arguments and tantrums.

I feel that I shouldn't have to point this out to you, being as you
are so smart and bright, but the only people here who seem to be on
your side of the argument is that pinhead Krause who apparently is a
close relative of Baron Münchausen and jps who, oddly, is probably a
really nice guy despite his propensity for vulgar hyperbole.

Oh and if any of those words confuse you, please don't hesitate to ask
or better yet, as I know education, history and logic aren't your
strong suit, look them up - I find dictionary.com to be very helpful
and occasionally wikipedia.

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

On Sep 22, 11:16*am, H the K wrote:

The only thing about the "toot" sock puppet worth knowing is which one
of the right-wing regulars in rec.boats is he. He's already in my bozo
bin, along with most of the rest of the right-wing diarrhea that stinks
up this joint...and the country.

Our favorite pinhead claiming that he actually has a filter file?

That is really quite amusing and highly improbable for two reasons.

One, this is your profession - professional rec.boats poster.

Two, you couldn't set the parameters on a filter file if you were paid
to do it.

Sorry - forgot to add one. Your over developed ego and under
developed social interaction skills would never allow you not to know
what others are saying about you.

Although you do provide the occasional amusement when you pee on your
shoes trying to be relevant.

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

On Sep 22, 11:25*am, H the K wrote:

The group of 'em ought to be called "Woofie and the Dogmatics."

Ah, the Battle of the Bands.

Harry and the Minions of Glorious Cultural Revolution Marching Towards
The Grand Future In Socialist Lock Step Comrades.

See how that works? It's funny, topical not in a droll way and not at
all insulting if one has a sense of humor.

Which you don't by the way, but that's a discussion for another time.

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

On Sep 22, 3:21*pm, Toots Sweet wrote:
On Sep 22, 11:10*am, wf3h wrote:

yet you think obama's been president for 8 years. amazing how you
right wingers think

I heard the grape flavored Kool Aid is the best for covering up the
taste of the arsenic.

says the guy who doesn't even know he's been poisoned

Poor guy - suffering such indignities at the hands of poor old stupid
"righties" daring to point out the obvious flaws in your oh so silly
little arguments and tantrums.

says the guy who thinks obama's been president for 8 1/2 years.


I feel that I shouldn't have to point this out to you, being as you
are so smart and bright, but the only people here who seem to be on
your side of the argument is that pinhead Krause who apparently is a
close relative of Baron Münchausen and jps who, oddly, is probably a
really nice guy despite his propensity for vulgar hyperbole.

says the guy who thinks that the more people who are wrong about an
argument, the more right they are


Oh and if any of those words confuse you, please don't hesitate to ask
or better yet, as I know education, history and logic aren't your
strong suit, look them up - I find dictionary.com to be very helpful
and occasionally wikipedia.

says the right wing lunatic who thinks rush limbaugh speaks ex
cathedra

oh...did that confuse our little right winger?

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

wf3h wrote:
On Sep 22, 3:21 pm, Toots Sweet wrote:
On Sep 22, 11:10 am, wf3h wrote:

yet you think obama's been president for 8 years. amazing how you
right wingers think
I heard the grape flavored Kool Aid is the best for covering up the
taste of the arsenic.

says the guy who doesn't even know he's been poisoned
Poor guy - suffering such indignities at the hands of poor old stupid
"righties" daring to point out the obvious flaws in your oh so silly
little arguments and tantrums.

says the guy who thinks obama's been president for 8 1/2 years.

I feel that I shouldn't have to point this out to you, being as you
are so smart and bright, but the only people here who seem to be on
your side of the argument is that pinhead Krause who apparently is a
close relative of Baron Münchausen and jps who, oddly, is probably a
really nice guy despite his propensity for vulgar hyperbole.

says the guy who thinks that the more people who are wrong about an
argument, the more right they are

Oh and if any of those words confuse you, please don't hesitate to ask
or better yet, as I know education, history and logic aren't your
strong suit, look them up - I find dictionary.com to be very helpful
and occasionally wikipedia.

says the right wing lunatic who thinks rush limbaugh speaks ex
cathedra

oh...did that confuse our little right winger?




As I previously stated, all that matters about the "tooter" is which of
our regular right-wing is he? There's nothing he's posted here so far
that is anything different than the usual right-wing bull****.





--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

On Sep 22, 3:53*pm, H the K wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 22, 3:21 pm, Toots Sweet wrote:
On Sep 22, 11:10 am, wf3h wrote:

yet you think obama's been president for 8 years. amazing how you
right wingers think
I heard the grape flavored Kool Aid is the best for covering up the
taste of the arsenic.

says the guy who doesn't even know he's been poisoned
Poor guy - suffering such indignities at the hands of poor old stupid
"righties" daring to point out the obvious flaws in your oh so silly
little arguments and tantrums.

says the guy who thinks obama's been president for 8 1/2 years.

I feel that I shouldn't have to point this out to you, being as you
are so smart and bright, but the only people here who seem to be on
your side of the argument is that pinhead Krause who apparently is a
close relative of Baron Münchausen and jps who, oddly, is probably a
really nice guy despite his propensity for vulgar hyperbole.

says the guy who thinks that the more people who are wrong about an
argument, the more right they are

Oh and if any of those words confuse you, please don't hesitate to ask
or better yet, as I know education, history and logic aren't your
strong suit, look them up - I find dictionary.com to be very helpful
and occasionally wikipedia.

says the right wing lunatic who thinks rush limbaugh speaks ex
cathedra

oh...did that confuse our little right winger?

As I previously stated, all that matters about the "tooter" is which of
our regular right-wing is he? There's nothing he's posted here so far
that is anything different than the usual right-wing bull****.


yeah it's amazing how uniform they are. it's as if stupdity came in
only 1 color

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
 

On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:54:46 -0700 (PDT), Toots Sweet
wrote:

I would suggest to you that Carter & Clinton did, and Obama will do,
more damage to American interests domestically and abroad than GWB
EVER did during his eight years in office.

By all means, don't let the facts or history cloud your fantasies.

By any objective measure, the Republicans have done more to undercut
and destroy the country in the last 30 years than Democrats will do
over the next 100.

The one thing I'll agree on is that Clinton was far too in love with
globalism. He hastened our demise buying into the Republican wet
dream of global corporatism.

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
 

On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:37:21 -0700 (PDT), Toots Sweet
wrote:

On Sep 22, 11:25*am, H the K wrote:

The group of 'em ought to be called "Woofie and the Dogmatics."

Ah, the Battle of the Bands.

Harry and the Minions of Glorious Cultural Revolution Marching Towards
The Grand Future In Socialist Lock Step Comrades.

You are an idiot. Socialism isn't happening nor will it happen in
this country. The asshole CEOs who ran our country into the ground
with the Republicans had to beg for a handout so we'd not descend into
complete recession.

It's not a goal for the government to own Amercican business, it was a
necessity so we wouldn't go down the ******** in real hurry.

Get a ****ing education you fool.

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
 

On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:30:37 -0700 (PDT), Toots Sweet
wrote:

On Sep 22, 11:16*am, H the K wrote:

The only thing about the "toot" sock puppet worth knowing is which one
of the right-wing regulars in rec.boats is he. He's already in my bozo
bin, along with most of the rest of the right-wing diarrhea that stinks
up this joint...and the country.

Our favorite pinhead claiming that he actually has a filter file?

What group do you represent? Certainly not the whole of rec.boats and
probably not even a decent percentage. You're in the weeds using a
sock puppet because you're such a pussy you can't stand to stand on
your own.

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

jps wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:54:46 -0700 (PDT), Toots Sweet
wrote:

I would suggest to you that Carter & Clinton did, and Obama will do,
more damage to American interests domestically and abroad than GWB
EVER did during his eight years in office.

By all means, don't let the facts or history cloud your fantasies.

By any objective measure, the Republicans have done more to undercut
and destroy the country in the last 30 years than Democrats will do
over the next 100.

Hey, that game looks like fun! Let *me* try it, huh?

By any objective measure, Obama will do more to set back the human
condition just during his morning dump tomorrow than all Republicans,
Conservatives, Tories, Royalists, Christian Democrats and other
center-right parties have done in recorded history.

Wow, that /was/ fun!

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
 

On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:13:22 -0700, Wilson Woods
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:54:46 -0700 (PDT), Toots Sweet
wrote:

I would suggest to you that Carter & Clinton did, and Obama will do,
more damage to American interests domestically and abroad than GWB
EVER did during his eight years in office.

By all means, don't let the facts or history cloud your fantasies.

By any objective measure, the Republicans have done more to undercut
and destroy the country in the last 30 years than Democrats will do
over the next 100.

Hey, that game looks like fun! Let *me* try it, huh?

By any objective measure, Obama will do more to set back the human
condition just during his morning dump tomorrow than all Republicans,
Conservatives, Tories, Royalists, Christian Democrats and other
center-right parties have done in recorded history.

Wow, that /was/ fun!

Difference is, I can provide the objective measure.

You, not so much.

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
 

"wf3h" wrote in message
...
On Sep 21, 10:58 pm, Wilson Woods wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:12:00 -0700, Wilson Woods
wrote:

In 1964, when Republicans objected to the Civil Rights Act because it
would lead to quotas, Hubert Humphrey notoriously said he would "start
eating the pages one after another, because [language mandating quotas]
is not in there." Of course, it didn't matter that the language wasn't
in there - the act *DID* lead to quotas.

There is no language in any funding bill for public education in any
state that explicitly provides for providing public schooling to
illegal
aliens, but we now have a regime that *mandates* providing public
schooling to illegal aliens.

Why would any serious person think the same thing won't happen with
health care for illegal aliens under Obamacare legislation? Of *course*
it will! Leftists - Obama included - overtly sympathize with illegals.
MALDEF, ACLU, ACORN MEChA, and all the other far-left organizations
that want to destroy America, and who *today* already sympathize with
illegal aliens, can barely wait for the ink to dry on any Obamacare
bill
before they run into federal court and demand that coverage extend to
illegals. And when they do, Obama's administration will file amicus
briefs with the courts agreeing with the plaintiffs.

Guaranteed.

They're not listening.

Conservatives and moderates aren't listening. Illegal alien loving
"liberals" are, and they're laughing, because they know it's true.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

the right's not listening because they've already destroyed america.
we're on the road to being a 3rd world country, courtesy of 30 years
of reagonomics.
------
Reaganonics end tbe 1982 recession by leaving more money in producers
pockets, raising the incentive and rewards of producing. By chance it also
happened to address the reasons for the recession, people didn't have the
money to spend.

At the rate Obama is going, we all might as well getting use to being poor,
as with more and more working for goverrnment does not create wealth. In
Regan's term, buy now it was on a firm turn around minus the inflation.
With Obamanomics unemployment is still growing, GSP is still stagnent and we
are on the horizon of 70's like inflation.

The key to addressing any problem is to see the problem. People don't have
the cash flow to sustain government debt, banks and corporate welfare to the
levels the government is accustomed to.

The next economic powerhouse will be China with a much lower taxation of
wealth and growing middle class. Get used to it, America is the author of
it's own demise. Statism comes at a price, a heavy price.

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:54:46 -0700 (PDT), Toots Sweet
wrote:

I would suggest to you that Carter & Clinton did, and Obama will do,
more damage to American interests domestically and abroad than GWB
EVER did during his eight years in office.

By all means, don't let the facts or history cloud your fantasies.

By any objective measure, the Republicans have done more to undercut
and destroy the country in the last 30 years than Democrats will do
over the next 100.



So why don't you give us the list of items you used to claim your "objective
measures"...



The one thing I'll agree on is that Clinton was far too in love with
globalism. He hastened our demise buying into the Republican wet
dream of global corporatism.


It's "global corporatism", that is US corporations selling their products,
goods, and services, all over the planet that made the US so rich
It's universal ignorance, that makes idiots like you claim that it's a bad
thing.

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
 

"Wilson Woods" wrote in message
...
jps wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:54:46 -0700 (PDT), Toots Sweet
wrote:

I would suggest to you that Carter & Clinton did, and Obama will do,
more damage to American interests domestically and abroad than GWB
EVER did during his eight years in office.

By all means, don't let the facts or history cloud your fantasies.

By any objective measure, the Republicans have done more to undercut
and destroy the country in the last 30 years than Democrats will do
over the next 100.

Hey, that game looks like fun! Let *me* try it, huh?

By any objective measure, Obama will do more to set back the human
condition just during his morning dump tomorrow than all Republicans,
Conservatives, Tories, Royalists, Christian Democrats and other
center-right parties have done in recorded history.

Wow, that /was/ fun!

Here's another one.
By any objective measure, socialists have caused more death and misery in
the last 100 years than anyone else has in previous times.
(See www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM "

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:13:22 -0700, Wilson Woods
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:54:46 -0700 (PDT), Toots Sweet
wrote:

I would suggest to you that Carter & Clinton did, and Obama will do,
more damage to American interests domestically and abroad than GWB
EVER did during his eight years in office.

By all means, don't let the facts or history cloud your fantasies.

By any objective measure, the Republicans have done more to undercut
and destroy the country in the last 30 years than Democrats will do
over the next 100.

Hey, that game looks like fun! Let *me* try it, huh?

By any objective measure, Obama will do more to set back the human
condition just during his morning dump tomorrow than all Republicans,
Conservatives, Tories, Royalists, Christian Democrats and other
center-right parties have done in recorded history.

Wow, that /was/ fun!

Difference is, I can provide the objective measure.

You, not so much.

Go ahead, provide it.

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

On Sep 23, 7:43*am, "SaPeIsMa" wrote:
"jps" wrote in message

...

On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:54:46 -0700 (PDT), Toots Sweet
wrote:

I would suggest to you that Carter & Clinton did, and Obama will do,
more damage to American interests domestically and abroad than GWB
EVER did during his eight years in office.

By all means, don't let the facts or history cloud your fantasies.

By any objective measure, the Republicans have done more to undercut
and destroy the country in the last 30 years than Democrats will do
over the next 100.

So why don't you give us the list of items you used to claim your "objective
measures"...

the fact that under bush, the middle class had no increase in the
standard of living while the richest 1% saw their income triple, for
example...that the kind of data you need...and, will, of couse, ignore


The one thing I'll agree on is that Clinton was far too in love with
globalism. *He hastened our demise buying into the Republican wet
dream of global corporatism.

It's "global corporatism", that is US corporations selling their products,
goods, and services, all over the planet that made the US so rich

the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation primarily because global
corporatism has exported jobs in a race to the bottom.

It's universal ignorance, that makes idiots like you claim that it's a bad
thing.

says the ostrich, congratulating himself on his view of the world.

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

jps wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:13:22 -0700, Wilson Woods
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:54:46 -0700 (PDT), Toots Sweet
wrote:

I would suggest to you that Carter & Clinton did, and Obama will do,
more damage to American interests domestically and abroad than GWB
EVER did during his eight years in office.
By all means, don't let the facts or history cloud your fantasies.

By any objective measure, the Republicans have done more to undercut
and destroy the country in the last 30 years than Democrats will do
over the next 100.
Hey, that game looks like fun! Let *me* try it, huh?

By any objective measure, Obama will do more to set back the human
condition just during his morning dump tomorrow than all Republicans,
Conservatives, Tories, Royalists, Christian Democrats and other
center-right parties have done in recorded history.

Wow, that /was/ fun!

Difference is, I can provide the objective measure.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! *GOOD* one!

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
 

On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:02:41 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:37:21 -0700 (PDT), Toots Sweet
wrote:

On Sep 22, 11:25*am, H the K wrote:

The group of 'em ought to be called "Woofie and the Dogmatics."

Ah, the Battle of the Bands.

Harry and the Minions of Glorious Cultural Revolution Marching Towards
The Grand Future In Socialist Lock Step Comrades.

You are an idiot. Socialism isn't happening nor will it happen in
this country. The asshole CEOs who ran our country into the ground
with the Republicans had to beg for a handout so we'd not descend into
complete recession.

It's not a goal for the government to own Amercican business, it was a
necessity so we wouldn't go down the ******** in real hurry.

Oh really? You need to wake up jps. Or was taking over banks and
automobile manufacturing a 'necessity' like the war in Afghanistan?

Get a ****ing education you fool.

Learn some different adjectives, you ****I .

--

John H

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

On 9/23/09 11:08 AM, JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:02:41 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:37:21 -0700 (PDT), Toots Sweet
wrote:

On Sep 22, 11:25 am, H the wrote:

The group of 'em ought to be called "Woofie and the Dogmatics."

Ah, the Battle of the Bands.

Harry and the Minions of Glorious Cultural Revolution Marching Towards
The Grand Future In Socialist Lock Step Comrades.

You are an idiot. Socialism isn't happening nor will it happen in
this country. The asshole CEOs who ran our country into the ground
with the Republicans had to beg for a handout so we'd not descend into
complete recession.

It's not a goal for the government to own Amercican business, it was a
necessity so we wouldn't go down the ******** in real hurry.

Oh really? You need to wake up jps. Or was taking over banks and
automobile manufacturing a 'necessity' like the war in Afghanistan?

Get a ****ing education you fool.

Learn some different adjectives, you ****I .

--

John H


Jesus...I drop my shields for a moment to make some adjustments and
there you are, john herring ****wit...the same old and aging right-wing
asshole as always.

Why aren't you motorcycling up to connecticut to help your buttbuddy
Scotty plant his daddy in the ground?

B'uh-bye...and back in the septic tank you go.



--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

On Sep 23, 7:40*am, "Canuck57" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message

...
On Sep 21, 10:58 pm, Wilson Woods wrote:





wrote:
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:12:00 -0700, Wilson Woods
wrote:

In 1964, when Republicans objected to the Civil Rights Act because it
would lead to quotas, Hubert Humphrey notoriously said he would "start
eating the pages one after another, because [language mandating quotas]
is not in there." Of course, it didn't matter that the language wasn't
in there - the act *DID* lead to quotas.

There is no language in any funding bill for public education in any
state that explicitly provides for providing public schooling to
illegal
aliens, but we now have a regime that *mandates* providing public
schooling to illegal aliens.

Why would any serious person think the same thing won't happen with
health care for illegal aliens under Obamacare legislation? Of *course*
it will! Leftists - Obama included - overtly sympathize with illegals.
MALDEF, ACLU, ACORN MEChA, and all the other far-left organizations
that want to destroy America, and who *today* already sympathize with
illegal aliens, can barely wait for the ink to dry on any Obamacare
bill
before they run into federal court and demand that coverage extend to
illegals. And when they do, Obama's administration will file amicus
briefs with the courts agreeing with the plaintiffs.

Guaranteed.

They're not listening.

Conservatives and moderates aren't listening. Illegal alien loving
"liberals" are, and they're laughing, because they know it's true.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

the right's not listening because they've already destroyed america.
we're on the road to being a 3rd world country, courtesy of 30 years
of reagonomics.
------
Reaganonics end tbe 1982 recession by leaving more money in producers
pockets, raising the incentive and rewards of producing. *By chance it also
happened to address the reasons for the recession, people didn't have the
money to spend.

it left more money in the hands of the rich and began the long,
downward spiral of middle class incomes. remember 'supply side'
economics...which we know is wrong, but was all the rage under reagan.


At the rate Obama is going, we all might as well getting use to being poor,

we ALREADY are poor, courtesy of george bush and his free market
fundamentalism. obama has done NOTHING that is worse than bush did.

as with more and more working for goverrnment does not create wealth.

wrong. i suggest you read the latest article by richard posner, a
former conservative free market fundamentalist, in the 'new
republic'.


*In
Regan's term, buy now it was on a firm turn around minus the inflation.
With Obamanomics unemployment is still growing, GSP is still stagnent and we
are on the horizon of 70's like inflation.

you seem to think obama was president for the last 8 years. newsflash,
genius: he wasn't. the problems he's addressing were created by bush.




The next economic powerhouse will be China with a much lower taxation of
wealth and growing middle class. *Get used to it, America is the author of
it's own demise. *Statism comes at a price, a heavy price.-

under bush we already had socialism: for the rich. we privatized
reward and socialized risk for the wealthy.

you just have a double standard.

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:02:41 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:37:21 -0700 (PDT), Toots Sweet
wrote:

On Sep 22, 11:25 am, H the K wrote:

The group of 'em ought to be called "Woofie and the Dogmatics."
Ah, the Battle of the Bands.

Harry and the Minions of Glorious Cultural Revolution Marching Towards
The Grand Future In Socialist Lock Step Comrades.
You are an idiot. Socialism isn't happening nor will it happen in
this country. The asshole CEOs who ran our country into the ground
with the Republicans had to beg for a handout so we'd not descend into
complete recession.

It's not a goal for the government to own Amercican business, it was a
necessity so we wouldn't go down the ******** in real hurry.

Oh really? You need to wake up jps. Or was taking over banks and
automobile manufacturing a 'necessity' like the war in Afghanistan?

Get a ****ing education you fool.

Learn some different adjectives, you ****I .

--

John H


http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/v...64908/BUSH.jpg

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
 

"wf3h" wrote in message
...
On Sep 23, 7:43 am, "SaPeIsMa" wrote:
"jps" wrote in message

...

On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:54:46 -0700 (PDT), Toots Sweet
wrote:

I would suggest to you that Carter & Clinton did, and Obama will do,
more damage to American interests domestically and abroad than GWB
EVER did during his eight years in office.

By all means, don't let the facts or history cloud your fantasies.

By any objective measure, the Republicans have done more to undercut
and destroy the country in the last 30 years than Democrats will do
over the next 100.

So why don't you give us the list of items you used to claim your
"objective
measures"...
#
# the fact that under bush, the middle class had no increase in the
# standard of living while the richest 1% saw their income triple, for
# example...that the kind of data you need...and, will, of couse, ignore

1) that's not a list, dummy
2) Nor is it an objective measure, since you can NOT demonstrate
causality

The data does not need to be ignored, since the data does NOT support your
claim



The one thing I'll agree on is that Clinton was far too in love with
globalism. He hastened our demise buying into the Republican wet
dream of global corporatism.

It's "global corporatism", that is US corporations selling their products,
goods, and services, all over the planet that made the US so rich
#
# the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation primarily because global
# corporatism has exported jobs in a race to the bottom.
#

1) The US is rich compared to the majority of the countries in the world
That's why we have so many people who want to migrate here, legally
or not
2) The reason that jobs are being exported is because
"liberal/progressive" laws, such as minimum wage, welfare, which increases
the cost of labor to the point where it's cheaper to move it elsewhere where
the costs are lower
Most of those policies are things the Democrat/liberal/progressive
like to brag about as their greatest achievements.
3) And most of the debt has been achieved with
Democratliberal/progressive policies of Wealth redistribution
All they have achieved is piling on debt to pay for non-productive
behavior.
#
# Way to go morons.
#

At least you labelled youselves right...
But why pat yourself on the back for you moronic policies that are
destroying the strength of this country


It's universal ignorance, that makes idiots like you claim that it's a bad
thing.
#
# says the ostrich, congratulating himself on his view of the world.
#

Nah !
I leave that kind of ignorant behavior to such as you
But thanks for playing
It's always fun to tease loons like you

Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
 

On Sep 23, 12:00*pm, "SaPeIsMa" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message

So why don't you give us the list of items you used to claim your
"objective
measures"...

#
# the fact that under bush, the middle class had no increase in the
# standard of living while the richest 1% saw their income triple, for
# example...that the kind of data you need...and, will, of couse, ignore

1) * *that's not a list, dummy
2) * *Nor is it an objective measure, since you can NOT demonstrate
causality

now let me see...it's 'causality' that obama is a 'socialist' and
therefore everything he does is wrong

but it's NOT causality when the policies that bush followed destroyed
our economy and trashed the middle class

uh...OK....


The one thing I'll agree on is that Clinton was far too in love with
globalism. He hastened our demise buying into the Republican wet
dream of global corporatism.

It's "global corporatism", that is US corporations selling their products,
goods, and services, all over the planet that made the US so rich

#
# the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation primarily because global
# corporatism has exported jobs in a race to the bottom.
#

1) * *The US is rich compared to the majority of the countries in the world
* * * * That's why we have so many people who want to migrate here, legally

uh...no. over 100,000 indians and chinese are headed back to their
respective countries due to our collapsing economy. in fact, americans
are headed to china to find jobs, as the washington post reported the
other day.


or not
2) * *The reason that jobs are being exported is because
"liberal/progressive" laws, such as minimum wage, welfare, which increases
the cost of labor to the point where it's cheaper to move it elsewhere where
the costs are lower

uh...no. the reason jobs are being exported is that america is owned
by folks like bush who believe that capital gains are the most
important measure of humanity. none of the policies you
cite...minimum wage (which hadnt gone up in 20 years), or welfare, has
ANY effect on our economy at all. what DOES have an effect is the
policies that allow america's companies to find places where there are
no unions, no worker protection, no minimum wage, nothing to protect
people at all

and that is, in fact, the right view view of america: destroy the
middle class and make us like a 3rd world country.

* * * * Most of those policies are things the Democrat/liberal/progressive
like to brag about as their greatest achievements.
3) * *And most of the debt has been achieved with
Democratliberal/progressive policies of Wealth redistribution

fairy tales are the staple of the right wing. there hasnt been a
'liberal' govt in the US since the mid 60's and johnson's 'great
society'. right wingers fail to note that the middle class suffered
the most under reagan, and the 2 bushes.

so tell us again how allowing wall street to continue its greed will
save the middle class...that seems to be all you right wingers have to
offer.

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wf3h wrote:
On Sep 23, 12:00 pm, "SaPeIsMa" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message

So why don't you give us the list of items you used to claim your
"objective
measures"...
#
# the fact that under bush, the middle class had no increase in the
# standard of living while the richest 1% saw their income triple, for
# example...that the kind of data you need...and, will, of couse, ignore

1) that's not a list, dummy
2) Nor is it an objective measure, since you can NOT demonstrate
causality

now let me see...it's 'causality' that obama is a 'socialist' and
therefore everything he does is wrong

No, no one has said that's "causality". You just trotted out a shabby
****ty straw man.


but it's NOT causality when the policies that bush followed destroyed
our economy and trashed the middle class

You can't show that any of his policies did any of that. *THAT'S* the
lack of causality, dumb ****.


The one thing I'll agree on is that Clinton was far too in love with
globalism. He hastened our demise buying into the Republican wet
dream of global corporatism.
It's "global corporatism", that is US corporations selling their products,
goods, and services, all over the planet that made the US so rich
#
# the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation

Being in debt doesn't mean one isn't rich.


# primarily because global corporatism

"global corporatism" = meaningless leftist swearing


# has exported jobs in a race to the bottom.

1) The US is rich compared to the majority of the countries in the world
That's why we have so many people who want to migrate here, legally

uh...no. over 100,000 indians and chinese are headed back to their
respective countries due to our collapsing economy.

That's probably false. I'm certainly not going to tend to believe it
without some documentation of it. I think you made that up.



or not
2) The reason that jobs are being exported is because
"liberal/progressive" laws, such as minimum wage, welfare, which increases
the cost of labor to the point where it's cheaper to move it elsewhere where
the costs are lower

uh...no.

UHHHHHHH - yes, in part.


the reason jobs are being exported is that america is owned
by folks like bush who believe that capital gains are the most
important measure of humanity. [snip ignorant bull****]

No.



Most of those policies are things the Democrat/liberal/progressive
like to brag about as their greatest achievements.

That's *exactly* right. Leftists/"liberals"/progress-killing
"progressives" absolutely *brag* about the things they enact that kill
jobs. They're just too stupid to realize that they *DO* destroy jobs.


3) And most of the debt has been achieved with
Democratliberal/progressive policies of Wealth redistribution

fairy tales

It is the left that believes in them. This is not in rational dispute.

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On Sep 23, 12:24*pm, Wilson Woods wrote:
wf3h wrote:

now let me see...it's 'causality' that obama is a 'socialist' and
therefore everything he does is wrong

No, no one has said that's "causality".

except you, of course, with your delusions of a 'socialist'
president...just because he's black


but it's NOT causality when the policies that bush followed destroyed
our economy and trashed the middle class

You can't show that any of his policies did any of that. **THAT'S* the
lack of causality, dumb ****.

really? cutting capital gains and causing the wall street debacle did
nothing to our economy?

i guess i was right all along: right wingers don't follow the news.
first this idiot thinks obama was president for 8 years and now he's
saying wall street had no role in destroying our economy



The one thing I'll agree on is that Clinton was far too in love with
globalism. He hastened our demise buying into the Republican wet
dream of global corporatism.
It's "global corporatism", that is US corporations selling their products,
goods, and services, all over the planet that made the US so rich
#
# the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation

Being in debt doesn't mean one isn't rich.

ROFLMAO!!! so to you the richest guy in the world is one who's
bankrupt??!!!

no wonder you right wingers don't think we have an economic crisis!


# primarily because global corporatism

"global corporatism" = meaningless leftist swearing

uh...YOU used the term 'global corporatism'...

oh. you don't read what you write....


# has exported jobs in a race to the bottom.

1) * *The US is rich compared to the majority of the countries in the world
* * * * That's why we have so many people who want to migrate here, legally

uh...no. over 100,000 indians and chinese are headed back to their
respective countries due to our collapsing economy.

That's probably false. *I'm certainly not going to tend to believe it
without some documentation of it. *I think you made that up.

really? you idiot right wingers really just believe the bull**** fairy
tales you tell yourselves, don't you:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...ain-drain.html

"What was a trickle has become a flood," says Duke University's Vivek
Wadhwa, who studies reverse immigration. Wadhwa projects that in the
next five years, 100,000 immigrants will go back to India and 100,000
to China, countries that have had rapid economic growth. "For the
first time in American history, we are experiencing the brain drain
that other countries experienced," he says.

yeah. go ahead and tell me about how you wonderful right wingers, with
your free market fundamentalism, have created so many opportunities...


* * * * Most of those policies are things the Democrat/liberal/progressive
like to brag about as their greatest achievements.

That's *exactly* right. *Leftists/"liberals"/progress-killing
"progressives" absolutely *brag* about the things they enact that kill
jobs. *They're just too stupid to realize that they *DO* destroy jobs.

meaningless rush limbaugh boilerplate.

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On Sep 23, 12:43*pm, Wilson Woods wrote:
wf3h wrote:


You have no evidence. *You're just like Carter, when he called Joe
Wilson "racist": *zero evidence.

the evidence is as follows:

1. everything you paranoid racists

Begging the question; not evidence

2. since you ignore the rich white boy

No, I didn't.


ah. so your argument is as follows:

1 you clip out what i said
2. you merely say that what you say is true

golly. ironclad logic.

you guys trashed the economy. obama wasn't president for the last 8
years. aorry. i can understand why you're terrified like a small child
at the damage you've caused.

what's pathetic is how unwilling you are to be an adult and take the
blame, or to re-examine your beliefs.

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On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:46:48 -0500, "SaPeIsMa"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:13:22 -0700, Wilson Woods
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:54:46 -0700 (PDT), Toots Sweet
wrote:

I would suggest to you that Carter & Clinton did, and Obama will do,
more damage to American interests domestically and abroad than GWB
EVER did during his eight years in office.

By all means, don't let the facts or history cloud your fantasies.

By any objective measure, the Republicans have done more to undercut
and destroy the country in the last 30 years than Democrats will do
over the next 100.

Hey, that game looks like fun! Let *me* try it, huh?

By any objective measure, Obama will do more to set back the human
condition just during his morning dump tomorrow than all Republicans,
Conservatives, Tories, Royalists, Christian Democrats and other
center-right parties have done in recorded history.

Wow, that /was/ fun!

Difference is, I can provide the objective measure.

You, not so much.

Go ahead, provide it.

Do your own homework. I don't have time to educate idiots.

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On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:45:38 -0500, "SaPeIsMa"
wrote:


"Wilson Woods" wrote in message
...
jps wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:54:46 -0700 (PDT), Toots Sweet
wrote:

I would suggest to you that Carter & Clinton did, and Obama will do,
more damage to American interests domestically and abroad than GWB
EVER did during his eight years in office.

By all means, don't let the facts or history cloud your fantasies.

By any objective measure, the Republicans have done more to undercut
and destroy the country in the last 30 years than Democrats will do
over the next 100.

Hey, that game looks like fun! Let *me* try it, huh?

By any objective measure, Obama will do more to set back the human
condition just during his morning dump tomorrow than all Republicans,
Conservatives, Tories, Royalists, Christian Democrats and other
center-right parties have done in recorded history.

Wow, that /was/ fun!

Here's another one.
By any objective measure, socialists have caused more death and misery in
the last 100 years than anyone else has in previous times.
(See www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM "

And I suppose you're counting Hitler as a socialist, you silly dweeb.

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On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:57:17 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Sep 22, 3:53*pm, H the K wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 22, 3:21 pm, Toots Sweet wrote:
On Sep 22, 11:10 am, wf3h wrote:

yet you think obama's been president for 8 years. amazing how you
right wingers think
I heard the grape flavored Kool Aid is the best for covering up the
taste of the arsenic.

says the guy who doesn't even know he's been poisoned
Poor guy - suffering such indignities at the hands of poor old stupid
"righties" daring to point out the obvious flaws in your oh so silly
little arguments and tantrums.

says the guy who thinks obama's been president for 8 1/2 years.

I feel that I shouldn't have to point this out to you, being as you
are so smart and bright, but the only people here who seem to be on
your side of the argument is that pinhead Krause who apparently is a
close relative of Baron Münchausen and jps who, oddly, is probably a
really nice guy despite his propensity for vulgar hyperbole.

says the guy who thinks that the more people who are wrong about an
argument, the more right they are

Oh and if any of those words confuse you, please don't hesitate to ask
or better yet, as I know education, history and logic aren't your
strong suit, look them up - I find dictionary.com to be very helpful
and occasionally wikipedia.

says the right wing lunatic who thinks rush limbaugh speaks ex
cathedra

oh...did that confuse our little right winger?

As I previously stated, all that matters about the "tooter" is which of
our regular right-wing is he? There's nothing he's posted here so far
that is anything different than the usual right-wing bull****.


yeah it's amazing how uniform they are. it's as if stupdity came in
only 1 color

Green. Color of envy and frogs.

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wf3h wrote:
On Sep 23, 12:24 pm, Wilson Woods wrote:
wf3h wrote:
now let me see...it's 'causality' that obama is a 'socialist' and
therefore everything he does is wrong
No, no one has said that's "causality".

except you, of course,

Except no one.


president...just because he's black

There's your racism again...



but it's NOT causality when the policies that bush followed destroyed
our economy and trashed the middle class
You can't show that any of his policies did any of that. *THAT'S* the
lack of causality, dumb ****.

really? cutting capital gains and causing the wall street

Cutting capital gains tax caused no debacle


The one thing I'll agree on is that Clinton was far too in love with
globalism. He hastened our demise buying into the Republican wet
dream of global corporatism.
It's "global corporatism", that is US corporations selling their products,
goods, and services, all over the planet that made the US so rich
#
# the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation
Being in debt doesn't mean one isn't rich.

ROFLMAO!!! so to you the richest guy in the world is one who's
bankrupt??!!!

Being in debt does not mean bankruptcy.


# primarily because global corporatism
"global corporatism" = meaningless leftist swearing

uh...YOU used the term 'global corporatism'...

I didn't.


# has exported jobs in a race to the bottom.
1) The US is rich compared to the majority of the countries in the world
That's why we have so many people who want to migrate here, legally
uh...no. over 100,000 indians and chinese are headed back to their
respective countries due to our collapsing economy.
That's probably false. I'm certainly not going to tend to believe it
without some documentation of it. I think you made that up.

really?

Until you posted something, yes.


http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...ain-drain.html

"What was a trickle has become a flood," says Duke University's Vivek
Wadhwa, who studies reverse immigration. Wadhwa projects that in the
next five years, 100,000 immigrants will go back to India and 100,000
to China, countries that have had rapid economic growth.

That is a *projection*, you cocksucker, and it's over five years. It
may or may not come to pass. In any event, those workers returning to
their home countries is not necessarily an indication that there's
anything "wrong" with the US economy. If their economies had been
healthy enough in the first place, they never would have come here.
Growth in their economies relative to ours is to be expected.


Most of those policies are things the Democrat/liberal/progressive
like to brag about as their greatest achievements.
That's *exactly* right. Leftists/"liberals"/progress-killing
"progressives" absolutely *brag* about the things they enact that kill
jobs. They're just too stupid to realize that they *DO* destroy jobs.

meaningless

No, factual.

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wf3h wrote:
On Sep 23, 12:43 pm, Wilson Woods wrote:
wf3h wrote:

You have no evidence. You're just like Carter, when he called Joe
Wilson "racist": zero evidence.
the evidence is as follows:
1. everything you paranoid racists
Begging the question; not evidence

2. since you ignore the rich white boy
No, I didn't.


ah. so your argument is as follows:

No. Any time any leftist writes something like "So what you're
saying..." or "So your argument is...", what follows is *NEVER* an
accurate restatement of the opponent's position - never.


1 you clip out what i said

It's almost entirely bull****. I leave in just the bull**** I want to
identify as bull**** and refute.


2. you merely say that what you say is true

No, what I say is true, period.


you guys trashed the economy.

No. First, I wasn't in government. Second, I didn't vote for Bush.
Third, Bush didn't trash the economy.