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Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 28, 11:36*am, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock)
@comcast.net wrote: wf3h wrote in news:26abc339-e24b-42c6-816c- : i love the rightwing mythology of 'merit' based employment. your boss thinks you're a threat to him? you're gone. smarter than he is? you're gone. more personality? you're gone. doesn't like your car? you're gone. I worked in a merit pay company for thirty years. *Never had any of those problems nor did I with my pay. *It seems that if you work and do good you get rewarded. * yes, that's the myth. i've seen people be top rated by one boss...and get fired when a re-org gave them a new boss. same guy. same job. top 10% to bottom 10%. this myth that the right wing proposes....companies employ on the basis of 'merit' is laughable. but i suppose it enables them to sleep at night, just like a little kid who has his security blanket and sucks his thumb When I was in management, as in most places, I had both eagles and turkeys. *One of my focuses was to feed my eagles and starve my turkeys.. * If someone left who was unhappy with his pay, it damn sure wasn't an eagle. lullabye...and good night...any other myths? by the way...how'd this myth of 'merit' work out for lehman brothers over the last year? Can't address it, didn't work. *BTW, neither did you. didn't work? and that proves it works... interesting view of logic you have |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 28, 11:37*am, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock)
@comcast.net wrote: Love to see the bottom line and benefits of the union "managers" during that period.. They are really no different than the corporate managers they scream about, only there to suck dollars off the backs of hard working men, so they don't have to... Unions where you can live off your coworker's sweat. -- 'free market'...where the rich live off the income of honest folks |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote in
: On Sep 28, 11:02*am, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock) @comcast.net wrote: wf3h wrote in news:5fd30d3f-a0b3-4621-b9fc- : On Sep 26, 10:35*pm, Zombywoof wrote: I've been an Exempt Employee all my adult life and have been at two Companies while they went through the Unionization process. * and i've worked for both unionized and non unionized companies. unionized companies are healthier So have I and, no, they aren't necessarily healthier. not necessarily, but generally... In one Management was absolutely more then happy to see their workers unionize because it allowed them to dump a ****-load of personnel programs that weren't required by law, and costing them tons of money. \\ things like vacations...won by union workers? you ready to give up weekends and vacations? I had an excellent vacation plan. *No union. *I had merit pay. *No union. * guess where 'vacations' came from. you think you'd have a vacation without unions? merit pay? why not read what w. edwards deming said about 'performance reviews', etc.... I have.....have you? I had mission pay when needed or was able to give to my employees. *No union. *We had open communication on salaries and how they were given. In the other management took what is more the normally perceived action and attempted to dissuade the workers from organizing. *Of course since they really can't prevent it they eventually develop and since there's no penalty for firing workers engaged in unionizing, that's what companies do. Au contraire, mon ami. *There are heavy penalties for doing that. *Sa y what you wish about unions but don't bull****. uh...no. what 'heavy penalties' are there? In the company I was in, you are playing you bet your job. answer: none. no penalty at all, regardless of what the right wing says. Who listens to the right wing? the ONLY 'penalty' is that, after YEARS of expensive litigation, you have to hire the person back and give them back pay. wow. impressive. -- chuckle what i've seen is that unionized companies are actually healthier since unions act as a check on unlimited exec power. *union s win benefits for both exempt and non-exempt employees. While getting them screwed on other things. ah. 'other things'. that's kind of like 'they say'... non unionized companies screw their workers like they're $2 whores. Some did.....most didn't. *Of course, the unions did everything they could to convince employees that was true. *Looks like it worked with you. and you sucked down the management kool aid...you're just a bobble head doll for management Perhaps, but since I was there and you weren't........ and the right, with their deep, abiding disgust at the very existence of the middle class, hates unions So do most people who believe in individual accountability and pay and promotions via merit rather than longevity. fine. you go show me the data that companies actually hire and fire on 'merit'. I was in one that did. Too bad you were a turkey in lieu of being an eagle. as deming said 'in god we trust, all others bring data'. where's your data? so far all you've proven is that NON unionized semiconductor houses are gone. -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) "Fear is the foundation of most governments." President John Adams |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote in
: On Sep 28, 11:32*am, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock) @comcast.net wrote: wf3h wrote innews:45cf6ae2-e1dc-4588-848b-da463fdf : no, they're no. since manufacturing has disappeared in the US and virtually none of it was unionized, it's obvious unions had zip to do with it. *you admit IBM is *unionized...and still in the US, while the non unionized plants are gone That was a company choice....and not a good one. oh. i see how this works. you claim unions destroy business. proof of that is 1. non unionized plants are closed 2. unionized plants are still in production but you think they shouldn't be because that disproves your view gee. an ironclad argument I didn't present those as proof. They are your strawmen, you feed them. and that, to you, proves non unionized plants protect jobs? if that's the case, where are the jobs? If you were half as familiar with IBM as you insinuate, you would know what a loss that was. and if you knew logic, you'd see how ridiculous your position is Perhaps.....but my experience is what I go on......perhaps when you get some instead of chugging down union koolaid....... -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) "Fear is the foundation of most governments." President John Adams |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote in
: On Sep 28, 11:33*am, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock) @comcast.net wrote: Zombywoof wrote innews:o7lvb5lafdojtrb0hn3fvrqu89121 : It is one of the reasons that most public sector employees are perceived as not doing dick (The old 50 government workers & 50 Lesbians in one room joke). *Since excellence will not lead to a pay increase, promotion, or any other type of personal reward most do not bother. *In those organizations there is absolutely no reason to exce l since excellence is not rewarded. That is particularly true in union shops. as opposed to the wonderful things wall street has done for the middle class over the last year. Which has nothing to do with open or closed shops. -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) "Fear is the foundation of most governments." President John Adams |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
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Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
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Sandman)" says... wf3h wrote in : On Sep 28, 11:02*am, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock) @comcast.net wrote: wf3h wrote in news:5fd30d3f-a0b3-4621-b9fc- : On Sep 26, 10:35*pm, Zombywoof wrote: I've been an Exempt Employee all my adult life and have been at two Companies while they went through the Unionization process. * and i've worked for both unionized and non unionized companies. unionized companies are healthier So have I and, no, they aren't necessarily healthier. not necessarily, but generally... In one Management was absolutely more then happy to see their workers unionize because it allowed them to dump a ****-load of personnel programs that weren't required by law, and costing them tons of money. \\ things like vacations...won by union workers? you ready to give up weekends and vacations? I had an excellent vacation plan. *No union. *I had merit pay. *No union. * guess where 'vacations' came from. you think you'd have a vacation without unions? merit pay? why not read what w. edwards deming said about 'performance reviews', etc.... I have.....have you? I had mission pay when needed or was able to give to my employees. *No union. *We had open communication on salaries and how they were given. In the other management took what is more the normally perceived action and attempted to dissuade the workers from organizing. *Of course since they really can't prevent it they eventually develop and since there's no penalty for firing workers engaged in unionizing, that's what companies do. Au contraire, mon ami. *There are heavy penalties for doing that. *Sa y what you wish about unions but don't bull****. uh...no. what 'heavy penalties' are there? In the company I was in, you are playing you bet your job. answer: none. no penalty at all, regardless of what the right wing says. Who listens to the right wing? the ONLY 'penalty' is that, after YEARS of expensive litigation, you have to hire the person back and give them back pay. wow. impressive. -- chuckle what i've seen is that unionized companies are actually healthier since unions act as a check on unlimited exec power. *union s win benefits for both exempt and non-exempt employees. While getting them screwed on other things. ah. 'other things'. that's kind of like 'they say'... non unionized companies screw their workers like they're $2 whores. Some did.....most didn't. *Of course, the unions did everything they could to convince employees that was true. *Looks like it worked with you. and you sucked down the management kool aid...you're just a bobble head doll for management Perhaps, but since I was there and you weren't........ and the right, with their deep, abiding disgust at the very existence of the middle class, hates unions So do most people who believe in individual accountability and pay and promotions via merit rather than longevity. fine. you go show me the data that companies actually hire and fire on 'merit'. I was in one that did. Too bad you were a turkey in lieu of being an eagle. I guess most of the "corporate giants on wall street do"... But the left hate them for that... as deming said 'in god we trust, all others bring data'. where's your data? so far all you've proven is that NON unionized semiconductor houses are gone. |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:19:02 -0400, JustWait
wrote: In article , "RD (The Sandman)" says... wf3h wrote in : On Sep 28, 11:02*am, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock) @comcast.net wrote: wf3h wrote in news:5fd30d3f-a0b3-4621-b9fc- : On Sep 26, 10:35*pm, Zombywoof wrote: I've been an Exempt Employee all my adult life and have been at two Companies while they went through the Unionization process. * and i've worked for both unionized and non unionized companies. unionized companies are healthier So have I and, no, they aren't necessarily healthier. not necessarily, but generally... In one Management was absolutely more then happy to see their workers unionize because it allowed them to dump a ****-load of personnel programs that weren't required by law, and costing them tons of money. \\ things like vacations...won by union workers? you ready to give up weekends and vacations? I had an excellent vacation plan. *No union. *I had merit pay. *No union. * guess where 'vacations' came from. you think you'd have a vacation without unions? merit pay? why not read what w. edwards deming said about 'performance reviews', etc.... I have.....have you? I had mission pay when needed or was able to give to my employees. *No union. *We had open communication on salaries and how they were given. In the other management took what is more the normally perceived action and attempted to dissuade the workers from organizing. *Of course since they really can't prevent it they eventually develop and since there's no penalty for firing workers engaged in unionizing, that's what companies do. Au contraire, mon ami. *There are heavy penalties for doing that. *Sa y what you wish about unions but don't bull****. uh...no. what 'heavy penalties' are there? In the company I was in, you are playing you bet your job. answer: none. no penalty at all, regardless of what the right wing says. Who listens to the right wing? the ONLY 'penalty' is that, after YEARS of expensive litigation, you have to hire the person back and give them back pay. wow. impressive. -- chuckle what i've seen is that unionized companies are actually healthier since unions act as a check on unlimited exec power. *union s win benefits for both exempt and non-exempt employees. While getting them screwed on other things. ah. 'other things'. that's kind of like 'they say'... non unionized companies screw their workers like they're $2 whores. Some did.....most didn't. *Of course, the unions did everything they could to convince employees that was true. *Looks like it worked with you. and you sucked down the management kool aid...you're just a bobble head doll for management Perhaps, but since I was there and you weren't........ and the right, with their deep, abiding disgust at the very existence of the middle class, hates unions So do most people who believe in individual accountability and pay and promotions via merit rather than longevity. fine. you go show me the data that companies actually hire and fire on 'merit'. I was in one that did. Too bad you were a turkey in lieu of being an eagle. I guess most of the "corporate giants on wall street do"... But the left hate them for that... as deming said 'in god we trust, all others bring data'. where's your data? so far all you've proven is that NON unionized semiconductor houses are gone. Crossposting will just get more of these folks over here. But, I guess it doesn't make much of a damn anyway. -- John H |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 28, 4:48*pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock)
@comcast.net wrote: wf3h wrote : On Sep 28, 11:32*am, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock) @comcast.net wrote: wf3h wrote innews:45cf6ae2-e1dc-4588-848b-da463fdf : no, they're no. since manufacturing has disappeared in the US and virtually none of it was unionized, it's obvious unions had zip to do with it. *you admit IBM is *unionized...and still in the US, while the non unionized plants are gone That was a company choice....and not a good one. oh. i see how this works. you claim unions destroy business. proof of that is 1. non unionized plants are closed 2. unionized plants are still in production but you think they shouldn't be because that disproves your view gee. an ironclad argument I didn't present those as proof. *They are your strawmen, you feed them.. and that, to you, proves non unionized plants protect jobs? if that's the case, where are the jobs? If you were half as familiar with IBM as you insinuate, you would know what a loss that was. and if you knew logic, you'd see how ridiculous your position is Perhaps.....but my experience is what I go on......perhaps when you get some instead of chugging down union koolaid....... -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) "Fear is the foundation of most governments." President John Adams- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 28, 4:48*pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock)
@comcast.net wrote: Perhaps.....but my experience is what I go on......perhaps when you get some instead of chugging down union koolaid....... -- \ says the guy who thinks alfred e. newman is the 2nd coming of christ...because there's nothing wrong in the US since the rich are doing so well, courtesy of a middle class bailout |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 28, 7:42*pm, Zombywoof wrote:
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:33:36 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)" wrote: Zombywoof wrote in : On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:55:32 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)" wrote: wf3h wrote in : On Sep 26, 2:21Â*pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock) @comcast.net wrote: wf3h wrote innews:58db059f-234f-44fc-bd7b-fe88428c : in fact, i've done ALOT of work with IBM over the last 20 years. they're one of the most inventive and competitive companies in the world. and their semiconductor plants are unionized Not over that 20 years they weren't. Â*Unionization is quite a recent thing with IBM. Â*The first alliance was in 1999. thanks for proving my point. the semiconductor industry in the US has collapsed. but IBM remains competitive due to its unionized workforce i agree that unionization is a wonderful thing. the NON unionized companies in silicon valley have disappeared. Now, in recent history, in 2001, IBM cut 500 workers in Burlington, VT, 400 in Endicott, NY, 200 in East Fishkill, 180 in Rochester, NY, 150 in Freemont, CA and 75 in Raliegh, NC. Â*In 2002, over 9,000 jobs were cut in June of 2002 and another 14,000 in August of the same year. Â*Their was a mass terminatio n at Lotus Professional Services (which is owned by IBM). Â*Half of the consultants working there were told to find new jobs withing LPS or be let go. Â*The IBM retirement package now requires that new retirees will have to pay for medical benefits. Â* again, thanks for proving my point. national semi in silicon valley is closed. non union. phillips in san antonio is closed. non union. motorola is closed. non union. again and again it's the NON union plants that have disappeared. Yep, IBM in the US has laid off over 10,000 employees while moving most of its semiconductor stuff overseas where the union is stronger. So much for increased benefits by being unionized. Â*;( really? so why don't you get a job with a non-unionized plant? oh. there aren't any thanks again for proving why unions are great. Nope, just proving that unions are like a fungus. *They pop up virtually anywhere and will do whatever they have to to stay in power. *I have had experience in union shops and non union shop and, believe me, merit pay systems are much better. If you have merit, then yes. *If all you do is basically show up every day, then no. *All-in-all it is a mindset paradigm. * It is one of the reasons that most public sector employees are perceived as not doing dick (The old 50 government workers & 50 Lesbians in one room joke). *Since excellence will not lead to a pay increase, promotion, or any other type of personal reward most do not bother. *In those organizations there is absolutely no reason to excel since excellence is not rewarded. That is particularly true in union shops. Right you are. *The best you can hope for in a Union Shop is longevity, even then that's a crap shoot at best come plant closing time. -- not as much of a crapshoot as it is with no union shop. |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 28, 4:46*pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock)
@comcast.net wrote: wf3h wrote : merit pay? why not read what w. edwards deming said about 'performance reviews', etc.... I have.....have you? guess i didn't tell you i used to work for western electric. and i'll let you scratch your head trying to figure out the relationship...like the little right winger you are uh...no. what 'heavy penalties' are there? In the company I was in, you are playing you bet your job. answer: none. no penalty at all, regardless of what the right wing says. Who listens to the right wing? * ronald reagan, george bush, dick cheney... non unionized companies screw their workers like they're $2 whores. Some did.....most didn't. *Of course, the unions did everything they could to convince employees that was true. *Looks like it worked with you. and you sucked down the management kool aid...you're just a bobble head doll for management Perhaps, *but since I was there and you weren't........ you weren't anywhere I was in one that did. *Too *bad you were a turkey in lieu of being an eagle. you're more like a dodo...on the way to extinction. frank lutz was interviewed today...he said the US worker has lost faith in his company and doesn't feel like his company respects him and he's a republican |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 27, 11:17 pm, Bama Brian wrote: wf3h wrote: There are NO unionized semiconductor plants in Silicon Valley. Or elsewhere, for that matter, AFAIK. gee. it's too bad you don't know the industry. ever hear of IBM? oh. you haven't. but you're an authority on the industry And you're a damned fool. Never insult a man unless you're sure you will survive the insult. It's why manners were invented. I've heard of IBM. I used to work for NEC in the Silicon Valley wafer fab facility and backend manufacturing. Also worked for National Semiconductor, yes, i've been there. i installed some of the wet cleaning benches used for cleaning devices. Signetics/Phillips was also at philips in san antonio... , Fujitsu, and a few others. They helped me retire early. Just for brags, here are a few jobs I worked at various companies: engineer, engineering manager, field applications engineer, field applications manager, development tools manager, business planning manager, director of marketing. In fact, I could say you're not even qualified to evaluate my resume. again, you know zip about the industry, it seems It is you who knows zip about the industry, Mr. "Service Engineer". I'd put you on a par with the "Sanitation Engineers" who used to sweep the floors. Or those so-called "Programming Engineers." Now let's look at a partial list of who actually had unionized semiconductor plants in Silicon Valley: Intel - No. National Semiconductor - No. NEC - No. (second plant was in Roseville, CA) Hitachi - No. Fujitsu - No. (plant was in OR) Cypress - No. AMD - No. Micron - No. (actually in Boise, ID) In fact, the unions never got so much as a toehold in Silicon Valley. exactly my point. those who claim unions destroyed these companies are wrong. even you admit that by pointing out the companies that have closed...NONE of which were unionized Your original point was that unions were significant in keeping the semiconductor companies alive. But from Silicon Valley perspective, unions were nothing but a money sinkhole, sucking up money that could better be used on R&D, capital equipment, or even salaries. As to their two chip plants, only the one in Fishkill has been renovated to be commercially viable. The other stays alive doing God knows what. Certainly they won't tell me, and I'm not inclined to do a white paper for you for free. don't flatter yourself I didn't have to. My pay check did. Besides, you're not competent to evaluate the P&L of a wafer fab. Most, if not all, semi plants today survive by manufacturing for others as well as the parent company. Look up Globalfoundries and Taiwan Semiconductor for examples. charter was j ust purchased last week. yes, i'm familiar with the foundries. you seem surprised by teh economics of the industry...NONE of which is union related. Globalfoundries is the name of a company; foundries is a generic term for semiconductor fabrication plants. Do try to keep up. i used to work for TI...they laid off their harvard/caltech/mit researchers and outsourced R and D to TSMC... But you weren't at that level, were you? oh. you don't know that 'cuz you still think everything's OK with the industry... agreed. and since there were no unionized plants there, ever, and there are few plants there today, unions had zip to do with the death of the industry in the US Ask IBM why it could not sustain profitability with its major product lines, and why it had to close plants world-wide. But the industry is not dead; even if the plants are mostly all offshore today it's certainly dead in the US. Er, no. Not as much manufacturing as I'd like to see - but nowhere near dead. -- Cheers, Bama Brian Libertarian "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 28, 11:02 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message you're more like a dodo...on the way to extinction. frank lutz was interviewed today...he said the US worker has lost faith in his company and doesn't feel like his company respects him and he's a republican I worked for Western Electric just out of high school. hmmm...didn't know they hired people at the age of 45... Only union I belonged to. CWA. What a worthless group. They went on strike for 11 weeks before I went to work there. 11 weeks and the settled for what the company offered in the first place. I was eligible for a 5 cent raise when I left. To get any more money 253 people had to either quit or die for me to get into the next pay grade. And I had excellent reviews. and, of course, the company won 8 nobel prizes and invented modern SQC...all with a unionized workforce None of which came from the union workers. -- Cheers, Bama Brian Libertarian "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 28, 11:32 am, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock) @comcast.net wrote: wf3h wrote : no, they're no. since manufacturing has disappeared in the US and virtually none of it was unionized, it's obvious unions had zip to do with it. you admit IBM is unionized...and still in the US, while the non unionized plants are gone That was a company choice....and not a good one. oh. i see how this works. you claim unions destroy business. proof of that is 1. non unionized plants are closed 2. unionized plants are still in production but you think they shouldn't be because that disproves your view gee. an ironclad argument and that, to you, proves non unionized plants protect jobs? if that's the case, where are the jobs? If you were half as familiar with IBM as you insinuate, you would know what a loss that was. and if you knew logic, you'd see how ridiculous your position is Argue this: Times Union: A sweet IBM deal http://cnse.albany.edu/News/index.cf...il&NewsID=1406 A sweet IBM deal that netted the company $1.6 billion of the taxpayer dollars, and then: BM layoffs reaching 3000, union group claims http://www.edn.com/article/CA6632229.html And then there are many, many, many of these that you can argue: Toyota to Close Union Plant in California http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/28/business/28nummi.html Union leaders fear Packard plant closing http://www.vindy.com/news/2008/jul/2...plant-closing/ Peterbilt permanently closing Tennessee plant "Peterbilt Motors Co. announced the permanent closure of its Madison truck assembly plant, effective December 1. The Madison plant had not built trucks since July 2008, when the company and the United Auto Workers Local 1832 were unable to agree on a new contract." http://nashville.bizjournals.com/nas...28/daily7.html Penske closing Albany plant, 81 jobs eliminated http://albany.bizjournals.com/albany...1/daily49.html Alcoa plant closing will cost 293 jobs in Beloit http://albany.bizjournals.com/milwau...lant%20closing Pratt And Whitney To Close Cheshire Plant http://www.cheshireherald.com/node/1417 County says it fought to keep plant http://www.yourdailyjournal.com/page...ws_left_column So argue away, wf3h. Show us all how unions keep plants alive. -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) "Fear is the foundation of most governments." President John Adams- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Cheers, Bama Brian Libertarian "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 28, 4:48 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock) @comcast.net wrote: Perhaps.....but my experience is what I go on......perhaps when you get some instead of chugging down union koolaid....... -- \ says the guy who thinks alfred e. newman is the 2nd coming of christ...because there's nothing wrong in the US since the rich are doing so well, courtesy of a middle class bailout Since you argue by Ad Hominem and think it's valid, it's no wonder your big job was "wet bench installer". -- Cheers, Bama Brian Libertarian "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 29, 10:21 am, Bama Brian wrote:
wf3h wrote: In fact, I could say you're not even qualified to evaluate my resume. again, you know zip about the industry, it seems It is you who knows zip about the industry, Mr. "Service Engineer". I'd put you on a par with the "Sanitation Engineers" who used to sweep the floors. Or those so-called "Programming Engineers." ROFLMAO!! you don't even know the difference between a field service engineer and an applications engineer! this is precious! In fact, the unions never got so much as a toehold in Silicon Valley. exactly my point. those who claim unions destroyed these companies are wrong. even you admit that by pointing out the companies that have closed...NONE of which were unionized Your original point was that unions were significant in keeping the semiconductor companies alive. But from Silicon Valley perspective, unions were nothing but a money sinkhole, sucking up money that could better be used on R&D, capital equipment, or even salaries. and how'd that work out for silicon valley, keeping the unions out? you yourself posted a list of closed plants...all non-union. worked great, didnt it? As to their two chip plants, only the one in Fishkill has been renovated to be commercially viable. The other stays alive doing God knows what. Certainly they won't tell me, and I'm not inclined to do a white paper for you for free. don't flatter yourself I didn't have to. My pay check did. Besides, you're not competent to evaluate the P&L of a wafer fab. says the guy who doesn't know what an applications engineer is.... Most, if not all, semi plants today survive by manufacturing for others as well as the parent company. Look up Globalfoundries and Taiwan Semiconductor for examples. charter was j ust purchased last week. yes, i'm familiar with the foundries. you seem surprised by teh economics of the industry...NONE of which is union related. Globalfoundries is the name of a company; foundries is a generic term for semiconductor fabrication plants. Do try to keep up. i guess you forgot you wrote 'for example'... short term memory going on you? that why you're right wing? i used to work for TI...they laid off their harvard/caltech/mit researchers and outsourced R and D to TSMC... But you weren't at that level, were you? nope i was not. but the point seems to have gone over your head. no surprise. But the industry is not dead; even if the plants are mostly all offshore today it's certainly dead in the US. Er, no. Not as much manufacturing as I'd like to see - but nowhere near dead. really? short term memory problems again? forget about that list of closed plants you posted? how they doing? |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 29, 10:58*am, Bama Brian wrote:
wf3h wrote: On Sep 28, 4:48 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock) @comcast.net wrote: Perhaps.....but my experience is what I go on......perhaps when you get some instead of chugging down union koolaid....... -- \ says the guy who thinks alfred e. newman is the 2nd coming of christ...because there's nothing wrong in the US since the rich are doing so well, courtesy of a middle class bailout Since you argue by Ad Hominem and think it's valid, it's no wonder your big job was "wet bench installer". -- seems our resident expert on unions doesn't know what an engineer is. no surprise. we work for a living |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 29, 10:56*am, Bama Brian wrote:
wf3h wrote: On Sep 28, 11:32 am, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock) @comcast.net wrote: wf3h wrote : no, they're no. since manufacturing has disappeared in the US and virtually none of it was unionized, it's obvious unions had zip to do with it. *you admit IBM is *unionized...and still in the US, while the non unionized plants are gone That was a company choice....and not a good one. oh. i see how this works. you claim unions destroy business. proof of that is 1. non unionized plants are closed 2. unionized plants are still in production but you think they shouldn't be because that disproves your view gee. an ironclad argument and that, to you, proves non unionized plants protect jobs? if that's the case, where are the jobs? If you were half as familiar with IBM as you insinuate, you would know what a loss that was. and if you knew logic, you'd see how ridiculous your position is Argue this: Times Union: A sweet IBM dealhttp://cnse.albany.edu/News/index.cfm?step=show_detail&NewsID=1406 A sweet IBM deal that netted the company $1.6 billion of the taxpayer dollars, and then: BM layoffs reaching 3000, union group claimshttp://www.edn.com/article/CA6632229.html And then there are many, many, many of these that you can argue: Toyota to Close Union Plant in Californiahttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/28/business/28nummi.html and yet you admit that all the silicon valley plants that closed were non union and that proves unions cause plants to close. kind of like the guy who says whistling keeps polar bears away from florida...when he's told that there are no polar bears in florida, he says 'see how well it works!" So argue away, wf3h. *Show us all how unions keep plants alive. and show us how lack of unions causes them to thrive. go ahead. we'll wait |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 29, 10:28*am, Bama Brian wrote:
wf3h wrote: and, of course, the company won 8 nobel prizes and invented modern SQC...all with a unionized workforce None of which came from the union workers. -- ROFLMAO!! your argument that all unionized companies are ineffective doesn't seem to bear much scrutiny, does it? |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote in
: On Sep 29, 10:58*am, Bama Brian wrote: wf3h wrote: On Sep 28, 4:48 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock) @comcast.net wrote: Perhaps.....but my experience is what I go on......perhaps when you ge t some instead of chugging down union koolaid....... -- \ says the guy who thinks alfred e. newman is the 2nd coming of christ...because there's nothing wrong in the US since the rich are doing so well, courtesy of a middle class bailout Since you argue by Ad Hominem and think it's valid, it's no wonder your big job was "wet bench installer". -- seems our resident expert on unions doesn't know what an engineer is. no surprise. we work for a living Some of you do.....many of you don't. -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) "Fear is the foundation of most governments." President John Adams |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
Zombywoof wrote in
: On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:50:11 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)" wrote: wf3h wrote in news:e94b6569-6d9e-409d-a189- : On Sep 28, 11:36Â*am, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock) @comcast.net wrote: wf3h wrote in news:26abc339-e24b-42c6-816c- : i love the rightwing mythology of 'merit' based employment. your boss thinks you're a threat to him? you're gone. smarter than he is? you're gone. more personality? you're gone. doesn't like your car? you're gone. I worked in a merit pay company for thirty years. Â*Never had any of tho se problems nor did I with my pay. Â*It seems that if you work and do good you get rewarded. Â* yes, that's the myth. i've seen people be top rated by one boss...and get fired when a re-org gave them a new boss. same guy. same job. top 10% to bottom 10%. Hmmmm, where did this happen? Actually it happened to me, but I was a threat to the new boss. All sorts of **** happens, but that is usually an anomaly. Which was to be my point. ;) -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) "Fear is the foundation of most governments." President John Adams |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote in
: On Sep 28, 7:42*pm, Zombywoof wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:33:36 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)" wrote: Zombywoof wrote in : On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:55:32 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)" wrote: wf3h wrote in . com : On Sep 26, 2:21Â*pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock) @comcast.net wrote: wf3h wrote innews:58db059f-234f-44fc-bd7b-fe88428c : in fact, i've done ALOT of work with IBM over the last 20 years. they're one of the most inventive and competitive companies in th e world. and their semiconductor plants are unionized Not over that 20 years they weren't. Â*Unionization is quite a recent thing with IBM. Â*The first alliance was in 1999. thanks for proving my point. the semiconductor industry in the US ha s collapsed. but IBM remains competitive due to its unionized workforc e i agree that unionization is a wonderful thing. the NON unionized companies in silicon valley have disappeared. Now, in recent history, in 2001, IBM cut 500 workers in Burlington, VT, 400 in Endicott, NY , 200 in East Fishkill, 180 in Rochester, NY, 150 in Freemont, CA and 75 in Raliegh, NC. Â*In 2002, over 9,000 jobs were cut in June of 2002 and another 14,000 in August of the same year. Â*Their was a ma ss terminatio n at Lotus Professional Services (which is owned by IBM). Â*Half of the consultants working there were told to find new jobs withing LPS or be let go. Â*The IBM retirement package now requires that new retirees will have to pay for medical benefits. Â* again, thanks for proving my point. national semi in silicon valley is closed. non union. phillips in san antonio is closed. non union. motorola is closed. non union. again and again it's the NON union plants that have disappeared. Yep, IBM in the US has laid off over 10,000 employees while moving mos t of its semiconductor stuff overseas where the union is stronger. So much for increased benefits by being unionized. Â*;( really? so why don't you get a job with a non-unionized plant? oh. there aren't any thanks again for proving why unions are great. Nope, just proving that unions are like a fungus. *They pop up virtually anywhere and will do whatever they have to to stay in power. *I have had experience in union shops and non union shop and, believe me, merit pa y systems are much better. If you have merit, then yes. *If all you do is basically show up eve ry day, then no. *All-in-all it is a mindset paradigm. * It is one of the reasons that most public sector employees are perceived as not doing dick (The old 50 government workers & 50 Lesbians in one room joke). *Since excellence will not lead to a pay increase, promotion, or any other type of personal reward most do not bother. *In those organizations there is absolutely no reason to exc el since excellence is not rewarded. That is particularly true in union shops. Right you are. *The best you can hope for in a Union Shop is longevity, even then that's a crap shoot at best come plant closing time. -- not as much of a crapshoot as it is with no union shop. Life is a crapshoot.......I just didn't believe lazy *******s should get the same pay I did. Didn't like it then, wouldn't like it now. Merit pay is the only way to go......unless, of course, that's where you have trouble passing muster. -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) "Fear is the foundation of most governments." President John Adams |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote in
: On Sep 28, 4:46*pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock) @comcast.net wrote: wf3h wrote innews:8534b41e-96ec-46af-baea-5c2ccc96 : merit pay? why not read what w. edwards deming said about 'performance reviews', etc.... I have.....have you? guess i didn't tell you i used to work for western electric. As what......a lineman? Western Electric really turned out some crap in the early days. and i'll let you scratch your head trying to figure out the relationship...like the little right winger you are Your relationships are of no concern of mine. uh...no. what 'heavy penalties' are there? In the company I was in, you are playing you bet your job. answer: none. no penalty at all, regardless of what the right wing says. Who listens to the right wing? * ronald reagan, george bush, dick cheney... It figures they would. Really stepping out on a limb, aren't you. ;) non unionized companies screw their workers like they're $2 whores. Some did.....most didn't. *Of course, the unions did everything they could to convince employees that was true. *Looks like it worked wit h you. and you sucked down the management kool aid...you're just a bobble head doll for management Perhaps, *but since I was there and you weren't........ you weren't anywhere If it makes you feel better to think that.....go for it. I was in one that did. *Too *bad you were a turkey in lieu of being a n eagle. you're more like a dodo...on the way to extinction. frank lutz was interviewed today...he said the US worker has lost faith in his company and doesn't feel like his company respects him and he's a republican Lately, that is probably true. Too many companies lost respect for their workers. -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) "Fear is the foundation of most governments." President John Adams |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
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Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
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Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:21:10 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
wrote: wf3h wrote in news:29c53557-22de-4bbf-b17b- : On Sep 29, 10:28*am, Bama Brian wrote: wf3h wrote: and, of course, the company won 8 nobel prizes and invented modern SQC...all with a unionized workforce None of which came from the union workers. -- ROFLMAO!! your argument that all unionized companies are ineffective doesn't seem to bear much scrutiny, does it? It does if you look at who actually did what. -- John H |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 29, 2:16*pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock)
@comcast.net wrote: wf3h wrote : not as much of a crapshoot as it is with no *union shop. Life is a crapshoot.......I just didn't believe lazy *******s should get the same pay I did. *Didn't like it then, wouldn't like it now. *Merit pay is the only way to go......unless, of course, that's where you have trouble passing muster. -- if life were only that simple...and if management really always promoted on 'merit'. to dream the impossible dream... |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 29, 2:21*pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock)
@comcast.net wrote: wf3h wrote in news:29c53557-22de-4bbf-b17b- : On Sep 29, 10:28*am, Bama Brian wrote: wf3h wrote: and, of course, the company won 8 nobel prizes and invented modern SQC...all with a unionized workforce None of which came from the union workers. -- ROFLMAO!! your argument that all unionized companies are ineffective doesn't seem to bear much scrutiny, does it? It does if you look at who actually did what. -- fine. you tell me what that means. if you know, of course |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 29, 2:19*pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock)
@comcast.net wrote: wf3h wrote : guess i didn't tell you i used to work for western electric. As what......a lineman? * Western Electric really turned out some crap in the early days. chuckle WE is over a century old. i'm an old fart but not THAT old... and, of course, it built phones that WOULD last a century. uh...no. what 'heavy penalties' are there? In the company I was in, you are playing you bet your job. answer: none. no penalty at all, regardless of what the right wing says. Who listens to the right wing? * ronald reagan, george bush, dick cheney... It figures they would. *Really stepping out on a limb, aren't you. ;) why? who do you think was running the country for the last 8 years. how IS life on your planet? |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote in
: On Sep 29, 2:16*pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock) @comcast.net wrote: wf3h wrote innews:e60e9c3d-30c2-4a6b-884e-051e4b55 : not as much of a crapshoot as it is with no *union shop. Life is a crapshoot.......I just didn't believe lazy *******s should get the same pay I did. *Didn't like it then, wouldn't like it now. *Meri t pay is the only way to go......unless, of course, that's where you have trouble passing muster. -- if life were only that simple...and if management really always promoted on 'merit'. I had no problem with two companies and a 30 year career. Now, I am retired.....haven't had a car payment since 1989.....a house payment since 1994. Just dabble around rebuilding older trucks. Just finished a '69 Ford 1/2T (390V8, belly tank, 4 wheel disc brakes, new interior) for my brother in law. Am currently working on a '66 Chevy 1/2T for my nephew (383 roller motor, aluminum heads, 7004r trannie, four wheel disc brakes, new interior replacing a tired 6 banger and 4 wheel drums). Just gave a '69 Chevy 1/2T to my niece's husband (disc brakes, 383CID, Turbo 350) and a '72 FJ40 (350V8, four wheel discs) to another brother in law. Oh, those are in addition to a '94 Toyota Pickup (rejuvenated), an '02 Tacoma and a '97 Tundra. Oh, well....... ;) I have a couple of folks trying to tempt me with a '39 GMC 1/2T and an old Studebaker 1/2T. Who knows........ to dream the impossible dream... -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) "Fear is the foundation of most governments." President John Adams |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote in
: On Sep 29, 2:19*pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock) @comcast.net wrote: wf3h wrote innews:ffae8fbf-5346-491d-abd3-a5df2587 : guess i didn't tell you i used to work for western electric. As what......a lineman? * Western Electric really turned out some crap in the early days. chuckle WE is over a century old. i'm an old fart but not THAT old... Yes, it is that old and has turned out crap for many of those years. and, of course, it built phones that WOULD last a century. If you wanted black with a dial. Of course, WE couldn't get very far without AT&T's long lines either. uh...no. what 'heavy penalties' are there? In the company I was in, you are playing you bet your job. answer: none. no penalty at all, regardless of what the right wing says. Who listens to the right wing? * ronald reagan, george bush, dick cheney... It figures they would. *Really stepping out on a limb, aren't you. ;) why? who do you think was running the country for the last 8 years. I rather doubt one of them was Reagan. how IS life on your planet? Probably better than on yours. ;) -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) "Fear is the foundation of most governments." President John Adams |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
Beam Me Up Scotty wrote in
ster.com: RD (The Sandman) wrote: wf3h wrote in news:7e97f2e2-5af6-4058-b3e2- : On Sep 28, 11:02 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message you're more like a dodo...on the way to extinction. frank lutz was interviewed today...he said the US worker has lost faith in his company and doesn't feel like his company respects him and he's a republican I worked for Western Electric just out of high school. hmmm...didn't know they hired people at the age of 45... Only union I belonged to. CWA. What a worthless group. They went on strike fo r 11 weeks before I went to work there. 11 weeks and the settled for what t he company offered in the first place. I was eligible for a 5 cent raise when I left. To get any more money 253 people had to either quit or die for me to get into the next pay grade. And I had excellent reviews. and, of course, the company won 8 nobel prizes and invented modern SQC...all with a unionized workforce The union members weren't the ones who earned those credits. Outside contractors too.... The union can't tie their own shoes without a meeting and a bargaining session. I've noticed the same thing. The biggest things unions are known for is making union officials wealthy and allowing lazy folks to earn money off the sweat of others. -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) "Fear is the foundation of most governments." President John Adams |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 29, 4:19*pm, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-
dog.com wrote: RD (The Sandman) wrote: wf3h wrote in news:7e97f2e2-5af6-4058-b3e2- : On Sep 28, 11:02 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message you're more like a dodo...on the way to extinction. frank lutz was interviewed today...he said the US worker has lost faith in his company and doesn't feel like his company respects him and he's a republican I worked for Western Electric just out of high school. hmmm...didn't know they hired people at the age of 45... *Only union I belonged to. *CWA. *What a worthless group. *They went on strike fo r 11 weeks before I went to work there. *11 weeks and the settled for what t he company offered in the first place. *I was eligible for a 5 cent raise when I left. *To get any more money 253 people had to either quit or die for *me to get into the next pay grade. *And I had excellent reviews. and, of course, the company won 8 nobel prizes and invented modern SQC...all with a unionized workforce The union members weren't the ones who earned those credits. Outside contractors too.... The union can't tie their own shoes without a meeting and a bargaining session and management can't close a door without discussing how to plunder the working folks |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 29, 7:19*pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock)
@comcast.net wrote: Beam Me Up Scotty wrote onster.com: RD (The Sandman) wrote: wf3h wrote in news:7e97f2e2-5af6-4058-b3e2- : On Sep 28, 11:02 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message you're more like a dodo...on the way to extinction. frank lutz was interviewed today...he said the US worker has lost faith in his company and doesn't feel like his company respects him and he's a republican I worked for Western Electric just out of high school. hmmm...didn't know they hired people at the age of 45... *Only union I belonged to. *CWA. *What a worthless group. *They went on strike fo r 11 weeks before I went to work there. *11 weeks and the settled for what t he company offered in the first place. *I was eligible for a 5 cent raise when I left. *To get any more money 253 people had to either quit or die for *me to get into the next pay grade. *And I had excellent reviews. and, of course, the company won 8 nobel prizes and invented modern SQC...all with a unionized workforce The union members weren't the ones who earned those credits. Outside contractors too.... The union can't tie their own shoes without a meeting and a bargaining session. I've noticed the same thing. *The biggest things unions are known for is making union officials wealthy and allowing lazy folks to earn money off the sweat of others. now let's see...how much of our trillion dollar bailout was needed to save 1. hedgefund managers 2. union members 100% of the former...0 of the latter. sorry you guys don't follow current events |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 29, 7:18*pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock)
@comcast.net wrote: wf3h wrote : On Sep 29, 2:19*pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock) @comcast.net wrote: wf3h wrote innews:ffae8fbf-5346-491d-abd3-a5df2587 : guess i didn't tell you i used to work for western electric. As what......a lineman? * Western Electric really turned out some crap in the early days. chuckle WE is over a century old. i'm an old fart but not THAT old... Yes, it is that old and has turned out crap for many of those years. ?? guess you don't know who started modern SPC... of course, you don't know what SPC is... why? who do you think was running the country for the last 8 years. I rather doubt one of them was Reagan. actually you're wrong. the 'reagan revolution' was all the rage in the GO golly you guys really DONT follow current events, do you? |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 29, 7:19 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock) @comcast.net wrote: Beam Me Up Scotty wrote onster.com: RD (The Sandman) wrote: wf3h wrote in news:7e97f2e2-5af6-4058-b3e2- : On Sep 28, 11:02 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message you're more like a dodo...on the way to extinction. frank lutz was interviewed today...he said the US worker has lost faith in his company and doesn't feel like his company respects him and he's a republican I worked for Western Electric just out of high school. hmmm...didn't know they hired people at the age of 45... Only union I belonged to. CWA. What a worthless group. They went on strike fo r 11 weeks before I went to work there. 11 weeks and the settled for what t he company offered in the first place. I was eligible for a 5 cent raise when I left. To get any more money 253 people had to either quit or die for me to get into the next pay grade. And I had excellent reviews. and, of course, the company won 8 nobel prizes and invented modern SQC...all with a unionized workforce The union members weren't the ones who earned those credits. Outside contractors too.... The union can't tie their own shoes without a meeting and a bargaining session. I've noticed the same thing. The biggest things unions are known for is making union officials wealthy and allowing lazy folks to earn money off the sweat of others. now let's see...how much of our trillion dollar bailout was needed to save 1. hedgefund managers 2. union members 100% of the former...0 of the latter. The whole GM rescue was done to save the Unions. If GM had hit the Bankruptcy all those Union benefits would have been on the chopping block. sorry you guys don't follow current events |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sep 29, 10:58 am, Bama Brian wrote: wf3h wrote: On Sep 28, 4:48 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock) @comcast.net wrote: Perhaps.....but my experience is what I go on......perhaps when you get some instead of chugging down union koolaid....... -- \ says the guy who thinks alfred e. newman is the 2nd coming of christ...because there's nothing wrong in the US since the rich are doing so well, courtesy of a middle class bailout Since you argue by Ad Hominem and think it's valid, it's no wonder your big job was "wet bench installer". -- seems our resident expert on unions doesn't know what an engineer is. no surprise. we work for a living Hell of a difference between a field engineer and a design engineer. I was an FE while getting my degree in EE. |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 29, 7:52*pm, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-
dog.com wrote: wf3h wrote: On Sep 29, 7:19 pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock) @comcast.net wrote: Beam Me Up Scotty wrote onster.com: RD (The Sandman) wrote: wf3h wrote in news:7e97f2e2-5af6-4058-b3e2- : On Sep 28, 11:02 pm, "CalifBill" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message you're more like a dodo...on the way to extinction. frank lutz was interviewed today...he said the US worker has lost faith in his company and doesn't feel like his company respects him and he's a republican I worked for Western Electric just out of high school. hmmm...didn't know they hired people at the age of 45... *Only union I belonged to. *CWA. *What a worthless group. *They went on strike fo r 11 weeks before I went to work there. *11 weeks and the settled for what t he company offered in the first place. *I was eligible for a 5 cent raise when I left. *To get any more money 253 people had to either quit or die for *me to get into the next pay grade. *And I had excellent reviews. and, of course, the company won 8 nobel prizes and invented modern SQC...all with a unionized workforce The union members weren't the ones who earned those credits. Outside contractors too.... The union can't tie their own shoes without a meeting and a bargaining session. I've noticed the same thing. *The biggest things unions are known for is making union officials wealthy and allowing lazy folks to earn money off the sweat of others. now let's see...how much of our trillion dollar bailout was needed to save 1. hedgefund managers 2. union members 100% of the former...0 of the latter. The whole GM rescue was done to save the Unions. If GM had hit the Bankruptcy all those Union benefits would have been on the chopping block. hey genius...NEWSFLASH!! GM DID file for bankruptcy every time you post you prove you're dumber than a bag of hammers... |
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