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Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 23, 1:03 pm, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: Feel free to prove where I have "obsessed" about anything at all. you're paranoid about obama. No, he is not "paranoid"; that's another word that idiot uneducated young people, primarily leftists, have drained of meaning. IOW any term that displeases you has been 'drained of meaning'. the phrase 'drained of meaning' has, itself, become a victim under the linguistic onslaught of the flatline far right... you hate him Not in evidence... you mean other than attributing every evil in history, including hangnails, to the darkie president? and accuse him of doing things that his predecessor had actually done. FALSE. Bush didn't push for national health care. ROFLMAO!! of COURSE he didn't! like the rest of his policies, health care is in the toilet. but it made his friends rich! res ipsa loquitur! Bush didn't nationalize GM. actually he did. Actually he didn't. The nationalization happened as part of the GM bankruptcy, which happened entirely under Obama. Obama also fired the chairman of the company, making a mockery of his claim that the government wasn't going to be running GM. Your partisanship blinds you totally to the facts. Bush didn't cancel missile defense for Europe. of COURSE he didn't! RIght. Bush didn't...****, Bush didn't do nearly anything that Obama is doing in pursuit of a leftist agenda. bush destroyed the economy. He didn't. The economy isn't destroyed, and you don't know ****-all about economics, you goddamned ****ing ****-4-braincell *do-nothing* punk. |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 23, 1:37*pm, Wilson Woods wrote:
wf3h wrote: On Sep 23, 12:43 pm, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: 2. since you ignore the rich white boy No, I didn't. ah. so your argument is as follows: No. *Any time any leftist writes something like "So what you're saying..." or "So your argument is...", what follows is *NEVER* an accurate restatement of the opponent's position - never. says the guy who cuts and pastes because he can't read or understand an argument that rush hasn't dissected for him 1 you clip out what i said It's almost entirely bull****. *I leave in just the bull**** I want to identify as bull**** and refute. as i said, anytime you correct a right winger, he can't respond so just utters the mantra 'bull****'. 2. you merely say that what you say is true No, what I say is true, period. you guys trashed the economy. No. *First, I wasn't in government. *Second, I didn't vote for Bush. Third, Bush didn't trash the economy.\\ i know you think obama did....newflash, genius; obama wasn't president last year when the economy tanked |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 23, 1:42*pm, Wilson Woods wrote:
wf3h wrote: says the guy who thinks obama's been president for 8 years No, he doesn't. *You just can't stop lying, can you? *You're a pathological liar.- Hide quoted text - if this were true, i'd have a radio show and be the darling of the far right |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 23, 1:37 pm, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: On Sep 23, 12:43 pm, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: 2. since you ignore the rich white boy No, I didn't. ah. so your argument is as follows: No. Any time any leftist writes something like "So what you're saying..." or "So your argument is...", what follows is *NEVER* an accurate restatement of the opponent's position - never. says the guy who cuts and pastes because he can't read or understand an argument that rush hasn't dissected for him 1 you clip out what i said It's almost entirely bull****. I leave in just the bull**** I want to identify as bull**** and refute. as i said, You said bull**** - again. 2. you merely say that what you say is true No, what I say is true, period. you guys trashed the economy. No. First, I wasn't in government. Second, I didn't vote for Bush. Third, Bush didn't trash the economy.\\ i know you think obama did. No, I don't think that, either. The economy has not been "trashed". It is in a major recession caused by bad federal policy, mainly around mortgage lending. CRA under Carter, and the destruction of mortgage lending standards begun under Clinton and continued by Bush, are what put us into a recession. Boy, you sure do get a lot of things wrong. |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 23, 1:42 pm, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: says the guy who thinks obama's been president for 8 years No, he doesn't. You just can't stop lying, can you? You're a pathological liar.- Hide quoted text - if this were true, It is true. |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 23, 1:34*pm, Wilson Woods wrote:
wf3h wrote: On Sep 23, 12:24 pm, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: now let me see...it's 'causality' that obama is a 'socialist' and therefore everything he does is wrong No, no one has said that's "causality". except you, of course, Except no one. says the guy who thinks obama has moved the US capital to havana. but it's NOT causality when the policies that bush followed destroyed our economy and trashed the middle class You can't show that any of his policies did any of that. **THAT'S* the lack of causality, dumb ****. really? cutting capital gains and causing the wall street Cutting capital gains tax caused no debacle sure did. it increased the deficit. # the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation Being in debt doesn't mean one isn't rich. ROFLMAO!!! so to you the richest guy in the world is one who's bankrupt??!!! Being in debt does not mean bankruptcy. fine. you go tell me how we're going to pay the bills we racked up. guess what the definition of bankruptcy is? * * * * That's why we have so many people who want to migrate here, legally uh...no. over 100,000 indians and chinese are headed back to their respective countries due to our collapsing economy. That's probably false. *I'm certainly not going to tend to believe it without some documentation of it. *I think you made that up. really? Until you posted something, yes. http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...09/09/americas... "What was a trickle has become a flood," says Duke University's Vivek Wadhwa, who studies reverse immigration. Wadhwa projects that in the next five years, 100,000 immigrants will go back to India and 100,000 to China, countries that have had rapid economic growth. That is a *projection*, you cocksucker, and it's over five years ah. so now you admit i was right and you're backpedaling after having said it wasn't true. figures...that's what right wingers do .. *It may or may not come to pass. *In any event, those workers returning to their home countries is not necessarily an indication that there's anything "wrong" with the US economy i know. to right wingers, as long as the rich are doing well, all is well. unemployment at 10%? who cares, rush is doing OK so everything's fine. screw the middle class to a right winger, this economy is a model of success. the middle class is done, the rich own everything and there's no hope for any middle class income growth at all it doesn't get better than this! |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 23, 8:31*pm, Wilson Woods wrote:
wf3h wrote: On Sep 23, 1:37 pm, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: says the guy who cuts and pastes because he can't read or understand an argument that rush hasn't dissected for him 1 you clip out what i said It's almost entirely bull****. *I leave in just the bull**** I want to identify as bull**** and refute. as i said, You said bull**** - again. glad to see you're up to 2 syllable words. you guys trashed the economy. No. *First, I wasn't in government. *Second, I didn't vote for Bush. Third, Bush didn't trash the economy.\\ i know *you think obama did. No, I don't think that, either. *The economy has not been "trashed". *It is in a major recession caused by bad federal policy, mainly around mortgage lending. uh...no. mortgage lending had little to do with it. colllateralized debt obligantions, which ballooned from $920B to SIXTY TWO TRILLION dollars under free market fundamentalism was responsible *CRA under Carter, and the destruction of mortgage lending standards begun under Clinton and continued by Bush, are what put us into a recession. hey genius...the largest mortgage lender to go bankrupt was countrywide. and it wasn't covered under the CRA. guess rush forgot to tell you that. Boy, you sure do get a lot of things wrong.- really? then how is it that you didn't even know that your whole argument about the CRA was wrong? oh. you're right wing so logic is irrelevant |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sep 23, 12:46 pm, "SaPeIsMa" wrote: This guy has a fixation about everything that is against Obambi being because he's black There is no reasoning with the mentally ill. # # says the guy who thinks obama's been president for 8 years and that's # why the country is wrecked. The only one spouting stupid and racist remarks here is you The above is proof of it. |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
"jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:46:48 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" wrote: "jps" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:13:22 -0700, Wilson Woods wrote: jps wrote: On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:54:46 -0700 (PDT), Toots Sweet wrote: I would suggest to you that Carter & Clinton did, and Obama will do, more damage to American interests domestically and abroad than GWB EVER did during his eight years in office. By all means, don't let the facts or history cloud your fantasies. By any objective measure, the Republicans have done more to undercut and destroy the country in the last 30 years than Democrats will do over the next 100. Hey, that game looks like fun! Let *me* try it, huh? By any objective measure, Obama will do more to set back the human condition just during his morning dump tomorrow than all Republicans, Conservatives, Tories, Royalists, Christian Democrats and other center-right parties have done in recorded history. Wow, that /was/ fun! Difference is, I can provide the objective measure. You, not so much. Go ahead, provide it. Do your own homework. I don't have time to educate idiots. So you admit that you can't provide it Obviously, you're the uneducated idiot Thank you for proving it. |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
"jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:45:38 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" wrote: "Wilson Woods" wrote in message ... jps wrote: On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:54:46 -0700 (PDT), Toots Sweet wrote: I would suggest to you that Carter & Clinton did, and Obama will do, more damage to American interests domestically and abroad than GWB EVER did during his eight years in office. By all means, don't let the facts or history cloud your fantasies. By any objective measure, the Republicans have done more to undercut and destroy the country in the last 30 years than Democrats will do over the next 100. Hey, that game looks like fun! Let *me* try it, huh? By any objective measure, Obama will do more to set back the human condition just during his morning dump tomorrow than all Republicans, Conservatives, Tories, Royalists, Christian Democrats and other center-right parties have done in recorded history. Wow, that /was/ fun! Here's another one. By any objective measure, socialists have caused more death and misery in the last 100 years than anyone else has in previous times. (See www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM " And I suppose you're counting Hitler as a socialist, you silly dweeb. Hitler declared himself to be a socialist. And take a hairy-assed wild guess at what "Z" in the acronym NAZI stood for. "Socialist" in German. But thank you, for once again demonstrating that you REALLY are an ignorant idiot. |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sep 23, 12:00 pm, "SaPeIsMa" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message So why don't you give us the list of items you used to claim your "objective measures"... # # the fact that under bush, the middle class had no increase in the # standard of living while the richest 1% saw their income triple, for # example...that the kind of data you need...and, will, of couse, ignore 1) that's not a list, dummy 2) Nor is it an objective measure, since you can NOT demonstrate causality # # now let me see...it's 'causality' that obama is a 'socialist' and # therefore everything he does is wrong Apparently true in your universe of ignorance, prejudice and bigotry Not true in my world of reasoned thought. # # but it's NOT causality when the policies that bush followed destroyed # our economy and trashed the middle class # # uh...OK.... See above Start by learning the meaning of the word "causality" and it's difference from "corelation" They are not the same words, nor do they have the same meaning. The one thing I'll agree on is that Clinton was far too in love with globalism. He hastened our demise buying into the Republican wet dream of global corporatism. It's "global corporatism", that is US corporations selling their products, goods, and services, all over the planet that made the US so rich # # the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation primarily because global # corporatism has exported jobs in a race to the bottom. # 1) The US is rich compared to the majority of the countries in the world That's why we have so many people who want to migrate here, legally # # uh...no. over 100,000 indians and chinese are headed back to their # respective countries due to our collapsing economy. in fact, americans # are headed to china to find jobs, as the washington post reported the # other day. And ? Recessions occur Apparently, in your world a recession is a sign of abject poverty Why don't you go in the meantime and look up the figures for legal and illegal immigrants to the US Compare them to the rates of immigration occurring in other countries. or not 2) The reason that jobs are being exported is because "liberal/progressive" laws, such as minimum wage, welfare, which increases the cost of labor to the point where it's cheaper to move it elsewhere where the costs are lower # # uh...no. the reason jobs are being exported is that america is owned # by folks like bush who believe that capital gains are the most # important measure of humanity. Do you specialise in stupid projections Or did you learn how to do it in school ? # none of the policies you # cite...minimum wage (which hadnt gone up in 20 years), or welfare, has # ANY effect on our economy at all. what DOES have an effect is the # policies that allow america's companies to find places where there are # no unions, no worker protection, no minimum wage, nothing to protect # people at all Which once again goes to show that you're an ignorant parrot If you think that welfare, which has been expanding has NO Effect on the economy, then you are a bigger idiot than you've shown yourself to be so far Only an idiot would believe that an economy where an ever-growing number of people are sucking on the public tit, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME, an ever-DECREASING number of people are paying for it. # # and that is, in fact, the right view view of america: destroy the # middle class and make us like a 3rd world country. Too bad that history shows that it's socialism in all it's various forms that effectively destroys the middle class But then, since you're an ignorant idiot just spouting cant that you have memorized with no comprenhension, it's no surprise that you don't know what you're spouting Most of those policies are things the Democrat/liberal/progressive like to brag about as their greatest achievements. 3) And most of the debt has been achieved with Democratliberal/progressive policies of Wealth redistribution # # fairy tales are the staple of the right wing. there hasnt been a # 'liberal' govt in the US since the mid 60's and johnson's 'great # society'. right wingers fail to note that the middle class suffered # the most under reagan, and the 2 bushes. The slsow destruction of the middle class started long before the Great Society Go back all the way to FDR. The middle class is the productive and innovative part of any society When you tax them to the bone, to pay for "social services" you effectively destroy their ability to produce and enrich themselves and the rest of society And it's socialism and the creation of an indigent lower class through welfare programs that is the primary cause of the destruction of the middle class. # # so tell us again how allowing wall street to continue its greed will # save the middle class...that seems to be all you right wingers have to # offer. Wall street is where the middle-class invest their savings to grow the economy By destroying wall street, the socialist also destroy the means for the middle class to make their savings grow. Which effectively destroys the middle class. But hey, don't let me stop you from projecting your ignorant cant |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sep 23, 12:24 pm, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: now let me see...it's 'causality' that obama is a 'socialist' and therefore everything he does is wrong No, no one has said that's "causality". # # except you, of course, with your delusions of a 'socialist' # president...just because he's black More delusional projection This idiot is on a loop It always comes back to the same stupid nonsense about racism but it's NOT causality when the policies that bush followed destroyed our economy and trashed the middle class You can't show that any of his policies did any of that. *THAT'S* the lack of causality, dumb ****. # # really? cutting capital gains and causing the wall street debacle did # nothing to our economy? The 2 are not related, dummy But hey, don't let us get in the way of your ignorance about corelation and causality # # i guess i was right all along: right wingers don't follow the news. # first this idiot thinks obama was president for 8 years and now he's # saying wall street had no role in destroying our economy The only thing you got right was that part that you were "guessing" Everyting else is wrong At least you're consistent The one thing I'll agree on is that Clinton was far too in love with globalism. He hastened our demise buying into the Republican wet dream of global corporatism. It's "global corporatism", that is US corporations selling their products, goods, and services, all over the planet that made the US so rich # # the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation Being in debt doesn't mean one isn't rich. ROFLMAO!!! so to you the richest guy in the world is one who's bankrupt??!!! no wonder you right wingers don't think we have an economic crisis! # primarily because global corporatism "global corporatism" = meaningless leftist swearing uh...YOU used the term 'global corporatism'... oh. you don't read what you write.... # has exported jobs in a race to the bottom. 1) The US is rich compared to the majority of the countries in the world That's why we have so many people who want to migrate here, legally uh...no. over 100,000 indians and chinese are headed back to their respective countries due to our collapsing economy. That's probably false. I'm certainly not going to tend to believe it without some documentation of it. I think you made that up. really? you idiot right wingers really just believe the bull**** fairy tales you tell yourselves, don't you: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...ain-drain.html "What was a trickle has become a flood," says Duke University's Vivek Wadhwa, who studies reverse immigration. Wadhwa projects that in the next five years, 100,000 immigrants will go back to India and 100,000 to China, countries that have had rapid economic growth. "For the first time in American history, we are experiencing the brain drain that other countries experienced," he says. yeah. go ahead and tell me about how you wonderful right wingers, with your free market fundamentalism, have created so many opportunities... Most of those policies are things the Democrat/liberal/progressive like to brag about as their greatest achievements. That's *exactly* right. Leftists/"liberals"/progress-killing "progressives" absolutely *brag* about the things they enact that kill jobs. They're just too stupid to realize that they *DO* destroy jobs. meaningless rush limbaugh boilerplate. |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 23, 9:18*pm, "SaPeIsMa" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message # # says the rightie who obsesses about a black president # Feel free to prove where I have "obsessed" about anything at all.\\ says the guy who stays awake at night terrified that obama is president # # you're paranoid about obama. you hate him and accuse him of doing # things that his predecessor had actually done. the only logical # conclusion is that you're doing it on the basis of race There you go again, projecting ignorant nonsense At least you're consistently stupid you loopy idiot ah. projecting. yes, they teach you that in psych 101;. but since you're struggling through grade school, i assume someone mentioned that term to you. probably rush, after his rehab from drug use. I'll remind you that most members of the KKK were Democrats Just like the late Senator Byrd... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd # # first, byrd's not dead. 2nd, if you actually KNEW history, you'd know # about the role johnson's signing of the civil rights act played in # changing the racists of the south from democrats into the good ol' # boys of the GOP So they were Democrats and now they're republicans. Thank you for proving me right really? democrats are republicans? gee. you right wingers have a problem even knowing which party is which And maybe SOME of the GOP IN THE SOUTH were converted KKK Democrats But what about ALL THE OTHER Republicans across the country ? Are you claiming that they were also converted KKK Democrats ? * * Are you REALLY this STUPID ? ah. you dont know what LBJ said when he signed the voting rights act, do you? he was prophetic about little racist kluxers like you. |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 23, 1:34 pm, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: On Sep 23, 12:24 pm, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: now let me see...it's 'causality' that obama is a 'socialist' and therefore everything he does is wrong No, no one has said that's "causality". except you, of course, Except no one. says the guy who thinks obama has moved the US capital to havana. but it's NOT causality when the policies that bush followed destroyed our economy and trashed the middle class You can't show that any of his policies did any of that. *THAT'S* the lack of causality, dumb ****. really? cutting capital gains and causing the wall street Cutting capital gains tax caused no debacle sure did. it increased the deficit. # the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation Being in debt doesn't mean one isn't rich. ROFLMAO!!! so to you the richest guy in the world is one who's bankrupt??!!! Being in debt does not mean bankruptcy. fine. you go tell me how we're going to pay the bills we racked up. guess what the definition of bankruptcy is? That's why we have so many people who want to migrate here, legally uh...no. over 100,000 indians and chinese are headed back to their respective countries due to our collapsing economy. That's probably false. I'm certainly not going to tend to believe it without some documentation of it. I think you made that up. really? Until you posted something, yes. http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...09/09/americas... "What was a trickle has become a flood," says Duke University's Vivek Wadhwa, who studies reverse immigration. Wadhwa projects that in the next five years, 100,000 immigrants will go back to India and 100,000 to China, countries that have had rapid economic growth. That is a *projection*, you cocksucker, and it's over five years ah. so now you admit i was right No, you're wrong. You stated it as if it had already happened. You also lied about the reasons for it happening. It may or may not come to pass. In any event, those workers returning to their home countries is not necessarily an indication that there's anything "wrong" with the US economy i know. You don't know. You think it *is* because of some defect in our economy. You're full of **** - it isn't. |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 23, 8:31 pm, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: On Sep 23, 1:37 pm, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: says the guy who cuts and pastes because he can't read or understand an argument that rush hasn't dissected for him 1 you clip out what i said It's almost entirely bull****. I leave in just the bull**** I want to identify as bull**** and refute. as i said, You said bull**** - again. glad to see You spouted bull****. No one is glad to see it. you guys trashed the economy. No. First, I wasn't in government. Second, I didn't vote for Bush. Third, Bush didn't trash the economy.\\ i know you think obama did. No, I don't think that, either. The economy has not been "trashed". It is in a major recession caused by bad federal policy, mainly around mortgage lending. uh...no. mortgage lending had little to do with it. colllateralized debt obligantions, which ballooned from $920B to SIXTY TWO TRILLION dollars under free market fundamentalism was responsible Your figures are meaningless without some time frame to them. A huge part of those collateralized debt obligations were *mortgages*, you stupid ****. CRA under Carter, and the destruction of mortgage lending standards begun under Clinton and continued by Bush, are what put us into a recession. hey genius...the largest mortgage lender to go bankrupt was countrywide. and it wasn't covered under the CRA. You are *COMPLETELY* full of ****. There were myriad ways that Countrywide was "covered" under CRA http://www.businessinsider.com/three...andards-2009-6 http://mises.org/story/2963 http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/news...ew_head_of.htm http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...QyYmUwMTg3NzQ= "WaMu bank, which is now defunct, once boasted of having made $375 billion in CRA loans; the Fed gave Countrywide Bank an award after it made $600 billion in such loans. It, too, was bankrupted by the loans." http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo177.html CRA was just the beginning of a politicized loosening of lending standards. A mortgage lender didn't have to be "covered" by CRA in order to be affected by it. Once Clinton's reinforcement of CRA and his administration's intense pressure on Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae to reduce their underwriting standards for the loans they would guarantee, the flood was on. CRA didn't do it all by itself, but it was the *first* step in a 30 year deterioration of lending standards that goddamned ****ing "liberals" demanded. Boy, you sure do get a lot of things wrong.- really? Yes. then how is it that you didn't even know that your whole argument about the CRA was wrong? It isn't wrong. |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 23, 11:40*pm, Wilson Woods wrote:
wf3h wrote: glad to see You spouted bull****. *No one is glad to see it. the right wing ALWAYS calls facts 'bull****'. they have no choice, as you demonstrated. you didn't come back with any info. uh...no. mortgage lending had little to do with it. colllateralized debt obligantions, which ballooned from $920B to SIXTY TWO TRILLION dollars under free market fundamentalism was responsible Your figures are meaningless without some time frame to them. 1997 to 2007 when your free market fundamentalist buddies, after putting their cocks in your mouth to have you hum their songs, raped the economy and had useful idiots like you tell us how wonderful it was. * CRA under Carter, and the destruction of mortgage lending standards begun under Clinton and continued by Bush, are what put us into a recession. hey genius...the largest mortgage lender to go bankrupt was countrywide. and it wasn't covered under the CRA. You are *COMPLETELY* full of ****. *There were myriad ways that Countrywide was "covered" under CRA uh...no. again you keep making statements. where's your data? the amount of mortgages that were placed by companies covered by CRA was a small fraction of all mortgages. it didn't even cover the nation's LARGEST mortgage provider. but you go ahead...keep sucking the dicks of the right. i'm sure they're laughin their asses off http://www.businessinsider.com/three...UyYmUyYjM5N2Qy... * * "WaMu bank, which is now defunct, once boasted of having made $375 * * billion in CRA loans; the Fed gave Countrywide Bank an award after it * * made $600 billion in such loans. It, too, was bankrupted by the loans."http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo177.html hey moron. these were VOLUNTARY. they were not OBLIGATED, as smaller banks WERE, to lend under these conditions. they just decided that assholes like YOU would think this was a wonderful example of the free market at work CRA was just the beginning of a politicized loosening of lending standards. *A mortgage lender didn't have to be "covered" by CRA in order to be affected by it. *Once Clinton's reinforcement of CRA and his administration's intense pressure on Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae to reduce their underwriting standards for the loans they would guarantee, the flood was on. CRA didn't do it all by itself, but it was the *first* step in a 30 year deterioration of lending standards that goddamned ****ing "liberals" demanded. says the bobble headed right wing sock puppet, ignoring the REAL problem...the massive expansion in CDO's which, in 2007, were larger than the entire GDP of the planet earth, at 62 TRILLION dollars Boy, you sure do get a lot of things wrong.- really? Yes. then how is it that you didn't even know that your whole argument about the CRA was wrong? It isn't wrong. you mean other than the fact the CRA didn't cover the nation's largest lenders AND you ignored the 2 order of magnitude increase in CDO's? i see. it appears that, if you can't count it on the 6 fingers of your hands, you think it has no meaning. to the RATIONAL person, 62 TRILLION is ALOT of money. to the right wing, NO amount of money is TOO MUCH for the RICH |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 23, 11:16*pm, Wilson Woods wrote:
wf3h wrote: No, you're wrong. *You stated it as if it had already happened. *You also lied about the reasons for it happening. It may or may not come to pass. *In any event, those workers returning to their home countries is not necessarily an indication that there's anything "wrong" with the US economy i know. You don't know. *You think it *is* because of some defect in our economy IOW when the data shows indians and chinese are LEAVING this country.... you right wingers think that actually means they're COMING to this country. christ you can't even tell east from west |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sep 23, 1:34 pm, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: On Sep 23, 12:24 pm, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: now let me see...it's 'causality' that obama is a 'socialist' and therefore everything he does is wrong No, no one has said that's "causality". except you, of course, Except no one. # # says the guy who thinks obama has moved the US capital to havana. # One has to wonder why you imagine to making stupid fantasy accusations about the person who disagrees with you, will support you claims in any way Why is it that you are so stupid as to make far-fetched claims about other peoplem, instead of arguing the issue ? but it's NOT causality when the policies that bush followed destroyed our economy and trashed the middle class You can't show that any of his policies did any of that. *THAT'S* the lack of causality, dumb ****. really? cutting capital gains and causing the wall street Cutting capital gains tax caused no debacle # # sure did. it increased the deficit. # NO it did NOT ! # the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation Being in debt doesn't mean one isn't rich. ROFLMAO!!! so to you the richest guy in the world is one who's bankrupt??!!! Being in debt does not mean bankruptcy. # # fine. you go tell me how we're going to pay the bills we racked up. # guess what the definition of bankruptcy is? Well let's see, used an equity loan to make some upgrades to my house, even though I have the same amount of money available in my investments So I have debt, but I'm not bankrupt See how that works.... I think your problem is that you are functionning in a black-white, on-off, all-or-nothing, kind of thinking mode You seem incapable of imagining that there is something between those extreme states...' That's why we have so many people who want to migrate here, legally uh...no. over 100,000 indians and chinese are headed back to their respective countries due to our collapsing economy. That's probably false. I'm certainly not going to tend to believe it without some documentation of it. I think you made that up. really? Until you posted something, yes. http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...09/09/americas... "What was a trickle has become a flood," says Duke University's Vivek Wadhwa, who studies reverse immigration. Wadhwa projects that in the next five years, 100,000 immigrants will go back to India and 100,000 to China, countries that have had rapid economic growth. That is a *projection*, you cocksucker, and it's over five years # # ah. so now you admit i was right and you're backpedaling after having # said it wasn't true. # # figures...that's what right wingers do Obviously you don't even ken the difference between a "projection" and actual fact... Apparently, that's what stupid lefties like you do . It may or may not come to pass. In any event, those workers returning to their home countries is not necessarily an indication that there's anything "wrong" with the US economy # # i know. Clearly you don't know dick All you have is some bigoted prejudices on which you base the most hairy-assed presumptions you have been spoon-fed.. You're a waste of time |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sep 23, 11:16 pm, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: No, you're wrong. You stated it as if it had already happened. You also lied about the reasons for it happening. It may or may not come to pass. In any event, those workers returning to their home countries is not necessarily an indication that there's anything "wrong" with the US economy i know. You don't know. You think it *is* because of some defect in our economy # # IOW when the data shows indians and chinese are LEAVING this # country.... And how many are still coming into this country ? # # you right wingers think that actually means they're COMING to this # country. No we don't But you're the idiot who PRESUMES, that it's a one-way flow. # # christ you can't even tell east from west More stupid projection that only demonstrates you're an idiot |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 24, 9:39*am, "SaPeIsMa" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message # # says the guy who thinks obama has moved the US capital to havana. # One has to wonder why you imagine to making stupid fantasy accusations about the person who disagrees with you, will support you claims in any way Why is it that you are so stupid as to make far-fetched claims about other peoplem, instead of *arguing the issue ? now let's see...we have the right wing which, in its haze, calls obama a kenyan indonesian muslim enemy alien socialist communist THEN complains that its delusions are called delusions. but it's NOT causality when the policies that bush followed destroyed our economy and trashed the middle class You can't show that any of his policies did any of that. *THAT'S* the lack of causality, dumb ****. really? cutting capital gains and causing the wall street Cutting capital gains tax caused no debacle # # sure did. it increased the deficit. # NO it did NOT ! cutting taxes with no revenue increase and no decrease in spending NECESSARILY causes an increase in the deficit. i realize you right wingers can't count, but have a 4th grader explain it to you. # the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation Being in debt doesn't mean one isn't rich. ROFLMAO!!! so to you the richest guy in the world is one who's bankrupt??!!! Being in debt does not mean bankruptcy. # # fine. you go tell me how we're going to pay the bills we racked up. # guess what the definition of bankruptcy is? Well let's see, used an equity loan to make some upgrades to my house, even though I have the same amount of money available in my investments So I have debt, but I'm not bankrupt * * See how that works.... and wall street sold 62 TRILLION in CDO's without the reserves to cover them...so they created a debt obligation... then when the debt came due and they couldn't pay it, they decided to socialize their risk and have the middle class pay for it. so no, that's not how debt works unless you're a right winger who believes in the tooth fairy I think your problem is that you are functionning in a black-white, on-off, all-or-nothing, *kind of thinking mode * * You seem incapable of imagining that there is something between those extreme states...' and you seem to want to ignore the entire history of the united states in the last year. |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 24, 9:48*am, "SaPeIsMa" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sep 23, 11:16 pm, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: No, you're wrong. You stated it as if it had already happened. You also lied about the reasons for it happening. It may or may not come to pass. In any event, those workers returning to their home countries is not necessarily an indication that there's anything "wrong" with the US economy i know. You don't know. You think it *is* because of some defect in our economy # # IOW when the data shows indians and chinese are LEAVING this # country.... And how many are still coming into this country ? not even enough to use up all the visas they're entitled to. the article points out that H1B visas used to be used up on the very first day they were available not anymore |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 23, 11:40 pm, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: glad to see You spouted bull****. No one is glad to see it. the right wing ALWAYS calls facts 'bull****'. No facts. You didn't present facts, just bull****. CRA under Carter, and the destruction of mortgage lending standards begun under Clinton and continued by Bush, are what put us into a recession. hey genius...the largest mortgage lender to go bankrupt was countrywide. and it wasn't covered under the CRA. You are *COMPLETELY* full of ****. There were myriad ways that Countrywide was "covered" under CRA uh...no. Uh....YES... http://www.businessinsider.com/three...UyYmUyYjM5N2Qy... "WaMu bank, which is now defunct, once boasted of having made $375 billion in CRA loans; the Fed gave Countrywide Bank an award after it made $600 billion in such loans. It, too, was bankrupted by the loans."http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo177.html hey moron. these were VOLUNTARY. CRA, period. CRA was just the beginning of a politicized loosening of lending standards. A mortgage lender didn't have to be "covered" by CRA in order to be affected by it. Once Clinton's reinforcement of CRA and his administration's intense pressure on Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae to reduce their underwriting standards for the loans they would guarantee, the flood was on. CRA didn't do it all by itself, but it was the *first* step in a 30 year deterioration of lending standards that goddamned ****ing "liberals" demanded. says [lack of refutation snipped] Boy, you sure do get a lot of things wrong.- really? Yes. then how is it that you didn't even know that your whole argument about the CRA was wrong? It isn't wrong. you mean I mean that it isn't wrong. CRA isn't the whole story, but it is the first chapter of the whole story. |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 23, 11:16 pm, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: No, you're wrong. You stated it as if it had already happened. You also lied about the reasons for it happening. It may or may not come to pass. In any event, those workers returning to their home countries is not necessarily an indication that there's anything "wrong" with the US economy i know. You don't know. You think it *is* because of some defect in our economy IOW when the data shows indians and chinese are LEAVING this country.... The data do not show that. |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 24, 9:39 am, "SaPeIsMa" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message # # says the guy who thinks obama has moved the US capital to havana. # One has to wonder why you imagine to making stupid fantasy accusations about the person who disagrees with you, will support you claims in any way Why is it that you are so stupid as to make far-fetched claims about other peoplem, instead of arguing the issue ? now let's see...we have the right wing which, [crap snipped] but it's NOT causality when the policies that bush followed destroyed our economy and trashed the middle class You can't show that any of his policies did any of that. *THAT'S* the lack of causality, dumb ****. really? cutting capital gains and causing the wall street Cutting capital gains tax caused no debacle # # sure did. it increased the deficit. # NO it did NOT ! cutting taxes with no revenue increase and no decrease in spending NECESSARILY causes an increase in the deficit. Not a debacle per se. # the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation Being in debt doesn't mean one isn't rich. ROFLMAO!!! so to you the richest guy in the world is one who's bankrupt??!!! Being in debt does not mean bankruptcy. # # fine. you go tell me how we're going to pay the bills we racked up. # guess what the definition of bankruptcy is? Well let's see, used an equity loan to make some upgrades to my house, even though I have the same amount of money available in my investments So I have debt, but I'm not bankrupt See how that works.... and wall street sold 62 TRILLION in CDO's You don't know what that means. I think your problem is that you are functionning in a black-white, on-off, all-or-nothing, kind of thinking mode You seem incapable of imagining that there is something between those extreme states...' and you seem to want to ignore the entire history of the united states in the last year. No economic "collapse", no Wall Street "debacle". You're throwing around words you don't understand. |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 24, 9:48 am, "SaPeIsMa" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sep 23, 11:16 pm, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: No, you're wrong. You stated it as if it had already happened. You also lied about the reasons for it happening. It may or may not come to pass. In any event, those workers returning to their home countries is not necessarily an indication that there's anything "wrong" with the US economy i know. You don't know. You think it *is* because of some defect in our economy # # IOW when the data shows indians and chinese are LEAVING this # country.... And how many are still coming into this country ? not even enough to use up all the visas they're entitled to. Irrelevant |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sep 23, 9:18 pm, "SaPeIsMa" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message # # says the rightie who obsesses about a black president # Feel free to prove where I have "obsessed" about anything at all.\\ # # says the guy who stays awake at night terrified that obama is # president LOL Still living in la-la-land are you ? Thanks to Obama, I have doubledd my wealth in the last year That means I sleep very well, and am happy that the incompetent idiot got elected # # you're paranoid about obama. you hate him and accuse him of doing # things that his predecessor had actually done. the only logical # conclusion is that you're doing it on the basis of race There you go again, projecting ignorant nonsense At least you're consistently stupid you loopy idiot # # ah. projecting. yes, they teach you that in psych 101;. but since # you're struggling through grade school, i assume someone mentioned # that term to you. probably rush, after his rehab from drug use. And there you go again making stupid presumptions again By the way, what is it with you idiots being so fixated on "rush" ? Does he terrify you that much that you see him everywhere ? That must be why you project paranoia on others. Because you are so paranoid yourself, the only way you can live with it, is to assume that others are like you... I'll remind you that most members of the KKK were Democrats Just like the late Senator Byrd... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd # # first, byrd's not dead. 2nd, if you actually KNEW history, you'd know # about the role johnson's signing of the civil rights act played in # changing the racists of the south from democrats into the good ol' # boys of the GOP So they were Democrats # # and now they're republicans. Feel free to name any current Republicans who are members of the KKK Take as many screens as you need But I doubt that you will do that, and instead spout more prejudiced and bigoted nonsense to cover your skanky and ignrant ass. Thank you for proving me right really? democrats are republicans? gee. you right wingers have a problem even knowing which party is which And maybe SOME of the GOP IN THE SOUTH were converted KKK Democrats But what about ALL THE OTHER Republicans across the country ? Are you claiming that they were also converted KKK Democrats ? Are you REALLY this STUPID ? ah. you dont know what LBJ said when he signed the voting rights act, do you? he was prophetic about little racist kluxers like you. |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 24, 11:15*am, "SaPeIsMa" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message # # says the guy who stays awake at night terrified that obama is # president LOL * * Still living in la-la-land are you ? Thanks to Obama, I have doubledd my wealth in the last year That means I sleep very well, and am happy that the incompetent idiot got elected he can't tell us WHY obama's incompetent he thinks obama's been president for a year so that makes him a typical right winger... There you go again, projecting ignorant nonsense At least you're consistently stupid you loopy idiot # # *ah. projecting. yes, they teach you that in psych 101;. *but since # you're struggling through grade school, i assume someone mentioned # that term to you. probably rush, after his rehab from drug use. And there you go again making stupid presumptions again By the way, what is it with you idiots being so fixated on "rush" ? Does he terrify you that much that you see him everywhere ? he makes us laugh because it's like watching someone read a fairy tale to children and having them believe it's real. So they were Democrats # # and now they're republicans. Feel free to name any current Republicans who are members of the KKK * * Take as many screens as you need feel free to do so with democrats. and, of course, you guys had strom thurmond...a guy joe wilson defended as an upright american... |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 24, 10:41*am, Wilson Woods wrote:
wf3h wrote: you mean I mean that it isn't wrong. *CRA isn't the whole story, but it is the first chapter of the whole story.- no moreso than the letter 'a' is the entire dictionary. |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 24, 10:48*am, Wilson Woods wrote:
wf3h wrote: On Sep 24, 9:39 am, "SaPeIsMa" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message # # says the guy who thinks obama has moved the US capital to havana. # One has to wonder why you imagine to making stupid fantasy accusations about the person who disagrees with you, will support you claims in any way Why is it that you are so stupid as to make far-fetched claims about other peoplem, instead of *arguing the issue ? now let's see...we have the right wing which, *[crap snipped] but it's NOT causality when the policies that bush followed destroyed our economy and trashed the middle class You can't show that any of his policies did any of that. *THAT'S* the lack of causality, dumb ****. really? cutting capital gains and causing the wall street Cutting capital gains tax caused no debacle # # sure did. it increased the deficit. # NO it did NOT ! cutting taxes with no revenue increase and no decrease in spending NECESSARILY causes an increase in the deficit. Not a debacle per se. # the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation Being in debt doesn't mean one isn't rich. ROFLMAO!!! so to you the richest guy in the world is one who's bankrupt??!!! Being in debt does not mean bankruptcy. # # fine. you go tell me how we're going to pay the bills we racked up. # guess what the definition of bankruptcy is? Well let's see, used an equity loan to make some upgrades to my house, even though I have the same amount of money available in my investments So I have debt, but I'm not bankrupt * * See how that works.... and wall street sold 62 TRILLION in CDO's You don't know what that means. another way of whimpering your way out of an argument. I think your problem is that you are functionning in a black-white, on-off, all-or-nothing, *kind of thinking mode * * You seem incapable of imagining that there is something between those extreme states...' and you seem to want to ignore the entire history of the united states in the last year. No economic "collapse", no Wall Street "debacle". *You're throwing around words you don't understand.- says the guy who thinks everything in the US is just fine 'cuz the rich aren't complaining |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On 9/24/09 11:25 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 24, 11:15 am, wrote: wrote in message # # says the guy who stays awake at night terrified that obama is # president LOL Still living in la-la-land are you ? Thanks to Obama, I have doubledd my wealth in the last year That means I sleep very well, and am happy that the incompetent idiot got elected he can't tell us WHY obama's incompetent he thinks obama's been president for a year so that makes him a typical right winger... There you go again, projecting ignorant nonsense At least you're consistently stupid you loopy idiot # # ah. projecting. yes, they teach you that in psych 101;. but since # you're struggling through grade school, i assume someone mentioned # that term to you. probably rush, after his rehab from drug use. And there you go again making stupid presumptions again By the way, what is it with you idiots being so fixated on "rush" ? Does he terrify you that much that you see him everywhere ? he makes us laugh because it's like watching someone read a fairy tale to children and having them believe it's real. So they were Democrats # # and now they're republicans. Feel free to name any current Republicans who are members of the KKK Take as many screens as you need feel free to do so with democrats. and, of course, you guys had strom thurmond...a guy joe wilson defended as an upright american... Was it Strom or some other racist slimeball politician whose mixed race baby Wilson denied? -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 24, 10:41 am, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: you mean I mean that it isn't wrong. CRA isn't the whole story, but it is the first chapter of the whole story.- no moreso than the letter 'a' is the entire dictionary. No, *much* more so. CRA was just the first step toward the catastrophe, but it decidedly was such a step. The Clinton complicity in 1994 was directly based on it. The politically motivated destruction of underwriting standards at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac was specifically to get them to buy CRA mortgages, but once the standards were eliminated, there was an explosion in other non-CRA subprime lending. But CRA started it, and accelerated it in 1994. |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 24, 10:48 am, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: On Sep 24, 9:39 am, "SaPeIsMa" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message # # says the guy who thinks obama has moved the US capital to havana. # One has to wonder why you imagine to making stupid fantasy accusations about the person who disagrees with you, will support you claims in any way Why is it that you are so stupid as to make far-fetched claims about other peoplem, instead of arguing the issue ? now let's see...we have the right wing which, [crap snipped] but it's NOT causality when the policies that bush followed destroyed our economy and trashed the middle class You can't show that any of his policies did any of that. *THAT'S* the lack of causality, dumb ****. really? cutting capital gains and causing the wall street Cutting capital gains tax caused no debacle # # sure did. it increased the deficit. # NO it did NOT ! cutting taxes with no revenue increase and no decrease in spending NECESSARILY causes an increase in the deficit. Not a debacle per se. # the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation Being in debt doesn't mean one isn't rich. ROFLMAO!!! so to you the richest guy in the world is one who's bankrupt??!!! Being in debt does not mean bankruptcy. # # fine. you go tell me how we're going to pay the bills we racked up. # guess what the definition of bankruptcy is? Well let's see, used an equity loan to make some upgrades to my house, even though I have the same amount of money available in my investments So I have debt, but I'm not bankrupt See how that works.... and wall street sold 62 TRILLION in CDO's You don't know what that means. another way of whimpering your way out of an argument. Another way of kicking your ****ing teeth in. I'd do it in person if I had the chance. I think your problem is that you are functionning in a black-white, on-off, all-or-nothing, kind of thinking mode You seem incapable of imagining that there is something between those extreme states...' and you seem to want to ignore the entire history of the united states in the last year. No economic "collapse", no Wall Street "debacle". You're throwing around words you don't understand.- says the guy who thinks everything in the US is just fine 'cuz the rich aren't complaining |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 24, 11:32*am, H the K wrote:
On 9/24/09 11:25 AM, wf3h wrote: On Sep 24, 11:15 am, *wrote: *wrote in message # # says the guy who stays awake at night terrified that obama is # president LOL * * *Still living in la-la-land are you ? Thanks to Obama, I have doubledd my wealth in the last year That means I sleep very well, and am happy that the incompetent idiot got elected he can't tell us WHY obama's incompetent he thinks obama's been president for a year so that makes him a typical right winger... There you go again, projecting ignorant nonsense At least you're consistently stupid you loopy idiot # # *ah. projecting. yes, they teach you that in psych 101;. *but since # you're struggling through grade school, i assume someone mentioned # that term to you. probably rush, after his rehab from drug use. And there you go again making stupid presumptions again By the way, what is it with you idiots being so fixated on "rush" ? Does he terrify you that much that you see him everywhere ? he makes us laugh because it's like watching someone read a fairy tale to children and having them believe it's real. So they were Democrats # # and now they're republicans. Feel free to name any current Republicans who are members of the KKK * * *Take as many screens as you need feel free to do so with democrats. and, of course, you guys had strom thurmond...a guy joe wilson defended as an upright american... Was it Strom or some other racist slimeball politician whose mixed race baby Wilson denied? yeah it was strom...strom, a fine, upstanding, black raping slave justfying right winger... |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
On Sep 24, 11:32*am, Wilson Woods wrote:
wf3h wrote: On Sep 24, 10:41 am, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: you mean I mean that it isn't wrong. *CRA isn't the whole story, but it is the first chapter of the whole story.- no moreso than the letter 'a' is the entire dictionary. No, *much* more so. *CRA was just the first step toward the catastrophe, but it decidedly was such a step. uh no. the first step was greed on the part of wall street. having convinced the right wing to sing the song of deregulation, they treated the american middle class like a buffet. *The Clinton complicity in 1994 was directly based on it. * well...no. the right wing sings the reagan mantra that the govt IS the problem, so the regulators got out of the way of the greedy *******s of wall street, courtesy of phil gramm and his enron VP wife. The politically motivated destruction of underwriting standards at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac was specifically to get them to buy CRA mortgages, well...no. the 62 TRILLION dollars in CDO's had nothing whatsoever to do with fannie mae and freddie mac. nothing. but once the standards were eliminated, there was an explosion in other non-CRA subprime lending. *But CRA started it, and accelerated it in 1994. ah. so the problem was wall street greed. you were wrong in attributing this to CRA. it was the greedy unregulated *******s on wall street. which is what i said. |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
wf3h wrote:
On Sep 24, 11:32 am, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: On Sep 24, 10:41 am, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: you mean I mean that it isn't wrong. CRA isn't the whole story, but it is the first chapter of the whole story.- no moreso than the letter 'a' is the entire dictionary. No, *much* more so. CRA was just the first step toward the catastrophe, but it decidedly was such a step. uh no. Uh...YES the first step was greed on the part of wall street. "Greed" - ha ha ha ha ha! When you and the ACORN deadbeats want more, you "objectively" deserve it; but when your betters want more, it's "greed". HA HA HA HA HA! The Clinton complicity in 1994 was directly based on it. well...no. Yes. The politically motivated destruction of underwriting standards at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac was specifically to get them to buy CRA mortgages, well...no. Yes. the 62 TRILLION dollars in CDO's You keep saying that as if it has some meaning. It doesn't. had nothing whatsoever to do with fannie mae and freddie mac. nothing. *EVERYTHING* to do with it, dummy. The "CDOs" - my, how you like bandying about terms you think make you sound sophisticated - *are* to a very great extent the mortgages that were made under the collapsed lending standards. but once the standards were eliminated, there was an explosion in other non-CRA subprime lending. But CRA started it, and accelerated it in 1994. ah. so the problem was wall street greed. No, the problem was the collapse in lending standards that began with CRA, in which the federal government brought intense pressure to bear on banks to lend to uncreditworthy deadbeats in ghettos. you were wrong in attributing this to CRA. I am right, of course. |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sep 24, 9:39 am, "SaPeIsMa" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message # # says the guy who thinks obama has moved the US capital to havana. # One has to wonder why you imagine to making stupid fantasy accusations about the person who disagrees with you, will support you claims in any way Why is it that you are so stupid as to make far-fetched claims about other peoplem, instead of arguing the issue ? # # now let's see...we have the right wing which, in its haze, calls obama # a kenyan indonesian muslim enemy alien socialist communist # # THEN complains that its delusions are called delusions. There you go again You really can't seem to help yourself Have you ever considered getting professional help for your problem ? but it's NOT causality when the policies that bush followed destroyed our economy and trashed the middle class You can't show that any of his policies did any of that. *THAT'S* the lack of causality, dumb ****. really? cutting capital gains and causing the wall street Cutting capital gains tax caused no debacle # # sure did. it increased the deficit. # NO it did NOT ! # # cutting taxes with no revenue increase and no decrease in spending # NECESSARILY causes an increase in the deficit. i realize you right # wingers can't count, but have a 4th grader explain it to you. Too bad that cutting taxes, causes a revenue increase because with less taxes people and companies have more money to spend With more money to spend, people and companies buy more, other companies produce more, and therefore hire people to increase producton, and thus increases their revenues and thus increase the TOTAL amount of taxes paid, even though the tax rate is lower. This is simple economics. Too bad that the followers of Marxs aren't even smart enough to understand Econ 101 and 102. # the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation Being in debt doesn't mean one isn't rich. ROFLMAO!!! so to you the richest guy in the world is one who's bankrupt??!!! Being in debt does not mean bankruptcy. # # fine. you go tell me how we're going to pay the bills we racked up. # guess what the definition of bankruptcy is? Well let's see, used an equity loan to make some upgrades to my house, even though I have the same amount of money available in my investments So I have debt, but I'm not bankrupt See how that works.... # # and wall street sold 62 TRILLION in CDO's without the reserves to # cover them...so they created a debt obligation... And that was thanks to the deregulation that was voted in during Democrat control of Congress. # # then when the debt came due and they couldn't pay it, they decided to # socialize their risk and have the middle class pay for it. And again, it was the Democrats who controlled both houses when those bailout laws were voted in. It should also be noted that those laws were loaded with ALL KINDS of PORK from which Democrats benefitted, and which Obamba contrary to his election promises did NOTHING to eradicate. # # so no, that's not how debt works unless you're a right winger who # believes in the tooth fairy Too bad that you keep missing the most important aspect which is It was the Democrats who controlled the Houses when: a) the system was deregulated b) the bailouts, loaded with pork to the gills, was voted in. I think your problem is that you are functionning in a black-white, on-off, all-or-nothing, kind of thinking mode You seem incapable of imagining that there is something between those extreme states...' # # and you seem to want to ignore the entire history of the united states # in the last year. I don't I'll just remind you that in the last 3 (not one but THRE) years, it was the Democrats who crontrolled BOTH houses of Congress. Apparently you not only ignore it, you are IGNORANT of it. |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is fullbenefits for illegal aliens
really? cutting capital gains and causing the wall street Cutting capital gains tax caused no debacle # # sure did. it increased the deficit. # NO it did NOT ! # # cutting taxes with no revenue increase and no decrease in spending # NECESSARILY causes an increase in the deficit. i realize you right # wingers can't count, but have a 4th grader explain it to you. Too bad that cutting taxes, causes a revenue increase because with less taxes people and companies have more money to spend really? care to prove that? the laffer curve has been discredited. this is ANOTHER right wing fairy tale. where's the data. rush limbaugh's drug induced delusions don't count With more money to spend, people and companies buy more, other companies produce more, and therefore hire people to increase producton, and thus increases their revenues and thus increase the TOTAL amount of taxes paid, even though the tax rate is lower. This is simple economics. except, of course, the rich NEVER cut taxes on the middle class. the rich have cut taxes for THEMSELVES but not for the middle class Too bad that the followers of Marxs aren't even smart enough to understand Econ 101 and 102. and you havent even graduated from high school # # and wall street sold 62 TRILLION in CDO's without the reserves to # cover them...so they created a debt obligation... And that was thanks to the deregulation that was voted in during Democrat control of Congress. uh...no. the bill was passed by the 106th congress...both houses of which were controlled by the GOP you're such a whore for the right wing you'll lie about anything, won't you? # # then when the debt came due and they couldn't pay it, they decided to # socialize their risk and have the middle class pay for it. And again, it was the Democrats who controlled both houses when those bailout laws were voted in. It should also be noted that those laws were loaded with ALL KINDS of PORK from which Democrats benefitted, and which Obamba contrary to his election promises did NOTHING to eradicate. uh...no. it was proposed by a GOP president, and a GOP appointed fed chairman. at that point the GOP had rigged the game. we had no choice what a whore you are # # so no, that's not how debt works unless you're a right winger who # believes in the tooth fairy Too bad that you keep missing the most important aspect which is It was the Democrats who controlled the Houses when: a) * *the system was deregulated the 106th congress was GOP controlled. you're such a whore and a liar |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
"Wilson Woods" wrote in message ... wf3h wrote: On Sep 24, 10:48 am, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: On Sep 24, 9:39 am, "SaPeIsMa" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message # # says the guy who thinks obama has moved the US capital to havana. # One has to wonder why you imagine to making stupid fantasy accusations about the person who disagrees with you, will support you claims in any way Why is it that you are so stupid as to make far-fetched claims about other peoplem, instead of arguing the issue ? now let's see...we have the right wing which, [crap snipped] but it's NOT causality when the policies that bush followed destroyed our economy and trashed the middle class You can't show that any of his policies did any of that. *THAT'S* the lack of causality, dumb ****. really? cutting capital gains and causing the wall street Cutting capital gains tax caused no debacle # # sure did. it increased the deficit. # NO it did NOT ! cutting taxes with no revenue increase and no decrease in spending NECESSARILY causes an increase in the deficit. Not a debacle per se. # the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation Being in debt doesn't mean one isn't rich. ROFLMAO!!! so to you the richest guy in the world is one who's bankrupt??!!! Being in debt does not mean bankruptcy. # # fine. you go tell me how we're going to pay the bills we racked up. # guess what the definition of bankruptcy is? Well let's see, used an equity loan to make some upgrades to my house, even though I have the same amount of money available in my investments So I have debt, but I'm not bankrupt See how that works.... and wall street sold 62 TRILLION in CDO's You don't know what that means. another way of whimpering your way out of an argument. Another way of kicking your ****ing teeth in. I'd do it in person if I had the chance. Nah What's the point of kicking cockroaches ? |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sep 24, 9:48 am, "SaPeIsMa" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sep 23, 11:16 pm, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: No, you're wrong. You stated it as if it had already happened. You also lied about the reasons for it happening. It may or may not come to pass. In any event, those workers returning to their home countries is not necessarily an indication that there's anything "wrong" with the US economy i know. You don't know. You think it *is* because of some defect in our economy # # IOW when the data shows indians and chinese are LEAVING this # country.... And how many are still coming into this country ? # # not even enough to use up all the visas they're entitled to. the # article points out that H1B visas used to be used up on the very first # day they were available # # not anymore And ? Less foreign workers means less competition for US workers Apparently you prefer that Americans be out of work while foreigners get the jobs You have a very skewed sense of what's important But then considering the rest of the ignorant **** you spout, that's no surprise |
Obama *DID* lie - the ultimate goal of the leftists is full benefits for illegal aliens
"Wilson Woods" wrote in message m... wf3h wrote: On Sep 24, 9:48 am, "SaPeIsMa" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message ... On Sep 23, 11:16 pm, Wilson Woods wrote: wf3h wrote: No, you're wrong. You stated it as if it had already happened. You also lied about the reasons for it happening. It may or may not come to pass. In any event, those workers returning to their home countries is not necessarily an indication that there's anything "wrong" with the US economy i know. You don't know. You think it *is* because of some defect in our economy # # IOW when the data shows indians and chinese are LEAVING this # country.... And how many are still coming into this country ? not even enough to use up all the visas they're entitled to. Irrelevant Apparently to him, it's very meaningful |
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