On 14-Sep-2009, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

IT'S ALL CHENEY AND BUSH'S FAULT! !!

IT'S ALL CHENEY AND BUSH'S FAULT! !!

If you say so. It was certainly during their tenure.

More evidence of the systemic, mental derangement of D vs R syndrome. Hope
you get better. Most people don't.

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JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:33:27 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
...
On 12-Sep-2009, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

Cheney was the only competent, focused, non butt lucking, intelligent
person
in any administration since the VERY early 90's. Bedwetters can't deal
with
functional individuals in a faux "country."

Yeah, like someone who ignores the Constitution, exposes undercover CIA
agents, espouses torture. A real "functional" individual Mr. Cheney.
Constitution? He's closer to factual adherence than 1) his boss, 2)
Clinton
or all of any congress in 50 yearrs.

He didn't expose anyone - check the widely available public information.

Torture hasn't happened, but it SURE the hell should. Televised.

Sorry facts make you appear deficient. The reality is, you, like most
"Americans" have your panties in a wad with the democrat vs republican
thing. That's the root of your delusion.

Dick Cheney has only one interest... his interest. He continually put
himself above the law, and he certainly condones both the outing of an
undercover CIA operative and certainly was a party to the torture that went
on. If you're unwilling to believe that waterboarding is torture, I'm sure
there's someone available to try it on you. It's very clear what your
delusion is, I'm sorry but I can't help you with that.
****, did I miss something else?

Did someone ask you for help?

Is a threat to a family member 'torture'? Is waving an unloaded pistol
in your face 'torture'? Suppose someone just looked at you with their
eyes crossed. Would that qualify as 'torture'?

If you liberals are so worried about people, why not do something for
the poor, instead of just making them more poor?

Yeah but the terrorist ACLU took covert pics of CIA agents and their
families and showed them to AlQueda, but the libs don't really care
about that, after all, it's just a few innocent Americans being outed..
Real covert agents, not some socialite elitist who brags at tea
parties..

Hoooboy........ unhinged just isn't a capable word for this!

What the hell is the problem.. FACT: The ACLU took pictures of covert
CIA agents and their families, and showed them to prisoners in Gitmo.
They admitted it on their website, what is so hard to understand about
that???

But at the same time you are worried about a non-covert, self outed,
Washington Socialite who uses her CIA position to gain favor of the
chattering class... unbelievable..

If you are just going to dismiss printed, verified facts, it's just
useless.



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Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:00:40 -0400, JustWait penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|What the hell is the problem.. FACT: The ACLU took pictures of covert
|CIA agents and their families, and showed them to prisoners in Gitmo.
|They admitted it on their website, what is so hard to understand about
|that???

The problem is........ FACTS!

Please post a citation that shows:

1) CIA agent's families were photographed

2) that the ACLU showed the photographs to the detainees

3) that any laws were broken.

If what you described actually happened, I'd be ****ed and somebody,
maybe LOTS of somebodies ought to be headed straight to jail.

However, the only thing I can verify is that the photos were taken by
researchers hired by the John Adams Project, a joint effort of the
American Civil Liberties Union and the National Association of
Criminal Defense Lawyers, to SUPPORT MILITARY COUNSEL.

The rest of the allegations are, as far as I can determine,
unsubstantiated. Here is some information:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...tmo-detainees/



snerk

Remember, Gene, if you won't drink JustHate's kool-aid, he'll take away
your paper cup.

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Idiots All

H the K wrote:
Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:00:40 -0400, JustWait penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|What the hell is the problem.. FACT: The ACLU took pictures of covert
|CIA agents and their families, and showed them to prisoners in Gitmo.
|They admitted it on their website, what is so hard to understand
about |that???

The problem is........ FACTS!
Please post a citation that shows:

1) CIA agent's families were photographed

2) that the ACLU showed the photographs to the detainees

3) that any laws were broken.

If what you described actually happened, I'd be ****ed and somebody,
maybe LOTS of somebodies ought to be headed straight to jail.

However, the only thing I can verify is that the photos were taken by
researchers hired by the John Adams Project, a joint effort of the
American Civil Liberties Union and the National Association of
Criminal Defense Lawyers, to SUPPORT MILITARY COUNSEL.

The rest of the allegations are, as far as I can determine,
unsubstantiated. Here is some information:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...tmo-detainees/




snerk

Remember, Gene, if you won't drink JustHate's kool-aid, he'll take away
your paper cup.

It's getting harder and harder to tell the real harry from the fake.
Which one are you?

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:33:27 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
...
On 12-Sep-2009, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

Cheney was the only competent, focused, non butt lucking, intelligent
person
in any administration since the VERY early 90's. Bedwetters can't deal
with
functional individuals in a faux "country."
Yeah, like someone who ignores the Constitution, exposes undercover CIA
agents, espouses torture. A real "functional" individual Mr. Cheney.
Constitution? He's closer to factual adherence than 1) his boss, 2)
Clinton
or all of any congress in 50 yearrs.

He didn't expose anyone - check the widely available public information.

Torture hasn't happened, but it SURE the hell should. Televised.

Sorry facts make you appear deficient. The reality is, you, like most
"Americans" have your panties in a wad with the democrat vs republican
thing. That's the root of your delusion.
Dick Cheney has only one interest... his interest. He continually put
himself above the law, and he certainly condones both the outing of an
undercover CIA operative and certainly was a party to the torture that went
on. If you're unwilling to believe that waterboarding is torture, I'm sure
there's someone available to try it on you. It's very clear what your
delusion is, I'm sorry but I can't help you with that.
****, did I miss something else?

Did someone ask you for help?

Is a threat to a family member 'torture'? Is waving an unloaded pistol
in your face 'torture'? Suppose someone just looked at you with their
eyes crossed. Would that qualify as 'torture'?

If you liberals are so worried about people, why not do something for
the poor, instead of just making them more poor?
Yeah but the terrorist ACLU took covert pics of CIA agents and their
families and showed them to AlQueda, but the libs don't really care
about that, after all, it's just a few innocent Americans being outed..
Real covert agents, not some socialite elitist who brags at tea
parties..

Hoooboy........ unhinged just isn't a capable word for this!

What the hell is the problem.. FACT: The ACLU took pictures of covert
CIA agents and their families, and showed them to prisoners in Gitmo.
They admitted it on their website, what is so hard to understand about
that???

But at the same time you are worried about a non-covert, self outed,
Washington Socialite who uses her CIA position to gain favor of the
chattering class... unbelievable..

If you are just going to dismiss printed, verified facts, it's just
useless.



So the ACLU are "terrorists"??????????

Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:00:40 -0400, JustWait penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|What the hell is the problem.. FACT: The ACLU took pictures of covert
|CIA agents and their families, and showed them to prisoners in Gitmo.
|They admitted it on their website, what is so hard to understand about
|that???

The problem is........ FACTS!

Please post a citation that shows:

1) CIA agent's families were photographed

2) that the ACLU showed the photographs to the detainees

3) that any laws were broken.

If what you described actually happened, I'd be ****ed and somebody,
maybe LOTS of somebodies ought to be headed straight to jail.

However, the only thing I can verify is that the photos were taken by
researchers hired by the John Adams Project, a joint effort of the
American Civil Liberties Union and the National Association of
Criminal Defense Lawyers, to SUPPORT MILITARY COUNSEL.

The rest of the allegations are, as far as I can determine,
unsubstantiated. Here is some information:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...tmo-detainees/


Damn it Gene, it doesn't matter. The right wing has spoon fed the lies,
therefore even if the are lies, they'll repeat them thousands of times.

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:00:40 -0400, JustWait penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|What the hell is the problem.. FACT: The ACLU took pictures of covert
|CIA agents and their families, and showed them to prisoners in Gitmo.
|They admitted it on their website, what is so hard to understand about
|that???

The problem is........ FACTS!

Please post a citation that shows:

1) CIA agent's families were photographed

2) that the ACLU showed the photographs to the detainees

3) that any laws were broken.

If what you described actually happened, I'd be ****ed and somebody,
maybe LOTS of somebodies ought to be headed straight to jail.

However, the only thing I can verify is that the photos were taken by
researchers hired by the John Adams Project, a joint effort of the
American Civil Liberties Union and the National Association of
Criminal Defense Lawyers, to SUPPORT MILITARY COUNSEL.

The rest of the allegations are, as far as I can determine,
unsubstantiated. Here is some information:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...tmo-detainees/

Yup, and their front page (aclu.org) last week had a link to an article
stating that they did just that, but were sure it was not illegal... Or
maybe they already have assurances from Holden... no, that would never
happen. snerk

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Wafa free since 2009

In article ,
says...

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:33:27 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
...
On 12-Sep-2009, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

Cheney was the only competent, focused, non butt lucking, intelligent
person
in any administration since the VERY early 90's. Bedwetters can't deal
with
functional individuals in a faux "country."
Yeah, like someone who ignores the Constitution, exposes undercover CIA
agents, espouses torture. A real "functional" individual Mr. Cheney.
Constitution? He's closer to factual adherence than 1) his boss, 2)
Clinton
or all of any congress in 50 yearrs.

He didn't expose anyone - check the widely available public information.

Torture hasn't happened, but it SURE the hell should. Televised.

Sorry facts make you appear deficient. The reality is, you, like most
"Americans" have your panties in a wad with the democrat vs republican
thing. That's the root of your delusion.
Dick Cheney has only one interest... his interest. He continually put
himself above the law, and he certainly condones both the outing of an
undercover CIA operative and certainly was a party to the torture that went
on. If you're unwilling to believe that waterboarding is torture, I'm sure
there's someone available to try it on you. It's very clear what your
delusion is, I'm sorry but I can't help you with that.
****, did I miss something else?

Did someone ask you for help?

Is a threat to a family member 'torture'? Is waving an unloaded pistol
in your face 'torture'? Suppose someone just looked at you with their
eyes crossed. Would that qualify as 'torture'?

If you liberals are so worried about people, why not do something for
the poor, instead of just making them more poor?
Yeah but the terrorist ACLU took covert pics of CIA agents and their
families and showed them to AlQueda, but the libs don't really care
about that, after all, it's just a few innocent Americans being outed..
Real covert agents, not some socialite elitist who brags at tea
parties..

Hoooboy........ unhinged just isn't a capable word for this!

What the hell is the problem.. FACT: The ACLU took pictures of covert
CIA agents and their families, and showed them to prisoners in Gitmo.
They admitted it on their website, what is so hard to understand about
that???

But at the same time you are worried about a non-covert, self outed,
Washington Socialite who uses her CIA position to gain favor of the
chattering class... unbelievable..

If you are just going to dismiss printed, verified facts, it's just
useless.



So the ACLU are "terrorists"??????????

In my opinion, yes...

--
Wafa free since 2009

In article ,
says...

Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:00:40 -0400, JustWait penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|What the hell is the problem.. FACT: The ACLU took pictures of covert
|CIA agents and their families, and showed them to prisoners in Gitmo.
|They admitted it on their website, what is so hard to understand about
|that???

The problem is........ FACTS!

Please post a citation that shows:

1) CIA agent's families were photographed

2) that the ACLU showed the photographs to the detainees

3) that any laws were broken.

If what you described actually happened, I'd be ****ed and somebody,
maybe LOTS of somebodies ought to be headed straight to jail.

However, the only thing I can verify is that the photos were taken by
researchers hired by the John Adams Project, a joint effort of the
American Civil Liberties Union and the National Association of
Criminal Defense Lawyers, to SUPPORT MILITARY COUNSEL.

The rest of the allegations are, as far as I can determine,
unsubstantiated. Here is some information:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...tmo-detainees/


Damn it Gene, it doesn't matter. The right wing has spoon fed the lies,
therefore even if the are lies, they'll repeat them thousands of times.

did you read his links, where did I lie??? You guys are amazing, not
only don't you read or follow our posts, you don't even read your own
cites...

--
Wafa free since 2009

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:33:27 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
...
On 12-Sep-2009, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

Cheney was the only competent, focused, non butt lucking, intelligent
person
in any administration since the VERY early 90's. Bedwetters can't deal
with
functional individuals in a faux "country."
Yeah, like someone who ignores the Constitution, exposes undercover CIA
agents, espouses torture. A real "functional" individual Mr. Cheney.
Constitution? He's closer to factual adherence than 1) his boss, 2)
Clinton
or all of any congress in 50 yearrs.

He didn't expose anyone - check the widely available public information.

Torture hasn't happened, but it SURE the hell should. Televised.

Sorry facts make you appear deficient. The reality is, you, like most
"Americans" have your panties in a wad with the democrat vs republican
thing. That's the root of your delusion.
Dick Cheney has only one interest... his interest. He continually put
himself above the law, and he certainly condones both the outing of an
undercover CIA operative and certainly was a party to the torture that went
on. If you're unwilling to believe that waterboarding is torture, I'm sure
there's someone available to try it on you. It's very clear what your
delusion is, I'm sorry but I can't help you with that.
****, did I miss something else?

Did someone ask you for help?

Is a threat to a family member 'torture'? Is waving an unloaded pistol
in your face 'torture'? Suppose someone just looked at you with their
eyes crossed. Would that qualify as 'torture'?

If you liberals are so worried about people, why not do something for
the poor, instead of just making them more poor?
Yeah but the terrorist ACLU took covert pics of CIA agents and their
families and showed them to AlQueda, but the libs don't really care
about that, after all, it's just a few innocent Americans being outed..
Real covert agents, not some socialite elitist who brags at tea
parties..

Hoooboy........ unhinged just isn't a capable word for this!
What the hell is the problem.. FACT: The ACLU took pictures of covert
CIA agents and their families, and showed them to prisoners in Gitmo.
They admitted it on their website, what is so hard to understand about
that???

But at the same time you are worried about a non-covert, self outed,
Washington Socialite who uses her CIA position to gain favor of the
chattering class... unbelievable..

If you are just going to dismiss printed, verified facts, it's just
useless.



So the ACLU are "terrorists"??????????

In my opinion, yes...



Justhate doesn't believe in the Bill of Rights, just the Bills Created
for Us by the Righties.

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Idiots All