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On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 23:43:46 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 21:31:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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I originally typed "Obama" but I didn't want to keep slamming a guy
who is basically a puppet for the people who put him in office. You
notice he has backed off of all of his "change" rhetoric since his
Jimmy Carter moment (roughly defined as the day he realized the
president is largely a ceremonial office)
Gore has their ear and is the high priest in the carbon tax crusade.
That cult has taken over the left.

How do you come to the conclusion that Obama is a puppet? The majority
of
Americans put him in office and by a wide margin in the electoral
college.

Every president since Nixon was a puppet of the monied people who put
him in office. It is getting worse each cycle.

Well, in that sense ok.

Nobody comes up with a billion dollars without owing a lot of
allegiance to a lot of rich people. You also have party pressures.
That is what knocked down all of Carter's lofty goals. I only bring
him up as an example of an "outside the beltway" guy who came to town
promising to change the way government worked. He was ground up and
reduced to a gray paste in 3 months, much like Mr Obama.

The jury is still out with Obama. I hope it won't happen. We need it not
to
happen.

I guess it's got to be someone's fault, so Gore is it

Gore is the spiritual leader of the carbon tax cult, no more, no less.
In that regard he is the democratic equivalent of Jerry Falwell or
Rick Warren who also were not government officials but had a lot of
influence on Bush's policies and controlled a lot of votes.

I'm unconvinced by either those groups... carbon tax vs. cap and trade. I
should read more about it.

We probably don't have much to argue about ;-)

I'm sure we can find something! lol

I stopped being a Republican about a year into the GHWB administration
but I still can't be a Democrat.

I stopped in high school.

I really place the decline of America as starting about 1989-1990 and
going steadily downhill since then.

It started a bit before that... pre-1961:

http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst3...ts/indust.html

That was when we started looting our corporations in the name of
increasing quarterly profit numbers. They were selling off capital
assets, shipping the jobs offshore and calling it profit. By the mid
90s they had sold about everything there was to sell and they started
this "money out of thin air" mumbo jumbo with financial instruments
that grew in price but didn't actually build any value. The
commodities modernization act of 2000, I spoke of earlier, really
opened the door for abuse and it was unanimously passed by both houses
with the endorsement of the White House. Only 4 congressmen opposed,
it led by my hero, Ron Paul.

Well, we don't have much to argue about. Ron Paul is a wacko, but at least a
nice one.

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Nom=de=Plume

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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To bribe the voters. Obama knows his policies are not working and
political support is dicipating, so he bribes those he can with our money.
Or should I say our credit-debt?

He knows this because most economists think otherwise. Ok.

Obama is destined to be the biggest debt increase of any government leader
in the history of the world. It will takes decades, perhaps generations
to recover from.

Or, the economy will recover as it's on track to do. We'll move forward with
infrastructure improvements, job losses will slow and eventually recover,
we'll create a more stable long-term viable economic base.

Or, the sky is falling, the sky is falling.

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Nom=de=Plume

On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 10:23:03 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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"BAR" wrote in message
m...
I agree. We certainly have the brains. We absolutely need to address the
global implications of China's plants. Doing something by ourselves
(talking greenhouse gases) isn't the ultimate solution. It needs to be a
global effort. We have (and will have more) influence around the world.
We need to use our influence and power for good.

Our "power" is diminishing rapidly. The country is broke and nearly
broken. The first thing we need to do is to repeal the all of the
entitlements at the federal level and tell those who receive them that
they are going to have to take on for the team again.

Yeah, screw the poor created by the mis-notion of free market capitalism.
What would Jesus do?

Are you into mocking Christianity like so many of the other liberals
here?
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John H

"Vote for a Democrat, it's easier than working!"

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 10:23:03 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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"BAR" wrote in message
om...
I agree. We certainly have the brains. We absolutely need to address
the
global implications of China's plants. Doing something by ourselves
(talking greenhouse gases) isn't the ultimate solution. It needs to be
a
global effort. We have (and will have more) influence around the world.
We need to use our influence and power for good.

Our "power" is diminishing rapidly. The country is broke and nearly
broken. The first thing we need to do is to repeal the all of the
entitlements at the federal level and tell those who receive them that
they are going to have to take on for the team again.

Yeah, screw the poor created by the mis-notion of free market capitalism.
What would Jesus do?

Are you into mocking Christianity like so many of the other liberals
here?

Why would you think I'm mocking something that I grew up with and still hold
dear? You know nothing about me. I think you're grasping at straws. How dare
you question my faith.

Answer my question. What would Jesus do... support free market capitalism
that was and is responsible for disenfranchising the poor or would He
support the poor?

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Nom=de=Plume

"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Yeah, screw the poor created by the mis-notion of free market
capitalism. What would Jesus do?
Are you into mocking Christianity like so many of the other liberals
here?

They are an intolerant party aren't they?

Jesus was cool. Christianity, not so much.

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Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

This was exactly my point. John and Mr. Wait attacked me for my faith and
have refused to address the issue I raised. Talk about intolerance and
hateful attitudes....

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Nom=de=Plume

nom=de=plume wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 10:23:03 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
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I agree. We certainly have the brains. We absolutely need to address
the
global implications of China's plants. Doing something by ourselves
(talking greenhouse gases) isn't the ultimate solution. It needs to be
a
global effort. We have (and will have more) influence around the world.
We need to use our influence and power for good.

Our "power" is diminishing rapidly. The country is broke and nearly
broken. The first thing we need to do is to repeal the all of the
entitlements at the federal level and tell those who receive them that
they are going to have to take on for the team again.

Yeah, screw the poor created by the mis-notion of free market capitalism.
What would Jesus do?
Are you into mocking Christianity like so many of the other liberals
here?

Why would you think I'm mocking something that I grew up with and still hold
dear? You know nothing about me. I think you're grasping at straws. How dare
you question my faith.

Answer my question. What would Jesus do... support free market capitalism
that was and is responsible for disenfranchising the poor or would He
support the poor?

Hate-filled herring claims to a catholic. If so, he's worthy of
excommunication.

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Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:17:41 -0400, H the K
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 10:23:03 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
...
I agree. We certainly have the brains. We absolutely need to address
the
global implications of China's plants. Doing something by ourselves
(talking greenhouse gases) isn't the ultimate solution. It needs to be
a
global effort. We have (and will have more) influence around the world.
We need to use our influence and power for good.

Our "power" is diminishing rapidly. The country is broke and nearly
broken. The first thing we need to do is to repeal the all of the
entitlements at the federal level and tell those who receive them that
they are going to have to take on for the team again.

Yeah, screw the poor created by the mis-notion of free market capitalism.
What would Jesus do?
Are you into mocking Christianity like so many of the other liberals
here?

Why would you think I'm mocking something that I grew up with and still hold
dear? You know nothing about me. I think you're grasping at straws. How dare
you question my faith.

Answer my question. What would Jesus do... support free market capitalism
that was and is responsible for disenfranchising the poor or would He
support the poor?

Hate-filled herring claims to a catholic. If so, he's worthy of
excommunication.

Maybe he's purchased some indulgences from the Church. That could
explain his morally bankrupt ideologies.

"JohnH" wrote in message
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Are you into mocking Christianity like so many of the other liberals
here?

Why would you think I'm mocking something that I grew up with and still
hold
dear? You know nothing about me. I think you're grasping at straws. How
dare
you question my faith.

Answer my question. What would Jesus do... support free market
capitalism
that was and is responsible for disenfranchising the poor or would He
support the poor?
You and Harry seem to get your jollies attempting to ridicule the
religious beliefs of others. Why, I don't know. It surely can't be
conducive to good serenity, and I doubt it earns either of you much
respect, except from the other, of course.

Ummm... John, you just got done trying to ridicule my faith:

Are you into mocking Christianity like so many of the other liberals
here?

I don't think that's appropriate no matter who does it.

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Nom=de=Plume