Clunker Math
 

Got his from a blog at http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2331218/posts

Hard to argue with the math:



"Here's some math from your stories that the average clunker got 15 mpg and
the average replacement gets 25. ·

A vehicle at 15 mpg and 12,000 miles per year uses 800 gallons a year of
gasoline. ·

A vehicle at 25 mpg and 12,000 miles per year uses 480 gallons a year. ·

So, an average clunker transaction reduces U.S. gasoline consumption by 320
gallons per year. ·

The total is about 700,000 vehicles - so that's 224 million gallons / year.
·

That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil. ·

5 million barrels of oil is about ¼ of one day's U.S. consumption. ·

And, 5 million barrels of oil costs about $350 million dollars at $75/bbl. ·

So, we all contributed to spending $3 billion to save $350 million.

How good a deal was that???"

And that doesn't take into account the loss of revenue for the aftermarket
parts and repair industry that just lost those potential 700,000 vehicles to
the junkyard. Nor the energy savings of recycling those parts through the
re-manufacturing industry

Clunker Math
 

On Sep 4, 11:30*pm, "Lu Powell" wrote:
Got his from a blog athttp://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2331218/posts

Hard to argue with the math:

"Here's some math from your stories that the average clunker got 15 mpg and
the average replacement gets 25. ·

A vehicle at 15 mpg and 12,000 miles per year uses 800 gallons a year of
gasoline. ·

A vehicle at 25 mpg and 12,000 miles per year uses 480 gallons a year. ·

So, an average clunker transaction reduces U.S. gasoline consumption by 320
gallons per year. ·

The total is about 700,000 vehicles - so that's 224 million gallons / year.

Clunker Math
 

"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...
And that doesn't take into account the loss of revenue for the aftermarket
parts and repair industry that just lost those potential 700,000 vehicles
to the junkyard. Nor the energy savings of recycling those parts through
the re-manufacturing industry


And, it doesn't take into account the improvement to the atmosphere, small
though it is (if you really want a big improvement, severely restrict beef
sales), nor the improvement, also relatively small in the viability of the
auto manufacturers nor putting the breaks on a worsening job market.

Hate to break it to you, but most of the usable parts of the clunkers were
salvaged before the shredding. There was some loss to the secondary car
sales market, since they were removed from the mix.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Clunker Math
 

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
That's Obomath. This bunch of morons we have for an administration do
well to breath on their own.

As opposed to the previous administration, a bunch of lying thieves, who
spent our treasure and blood like drunken sailors on shore leave.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Clunker Math
 

On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 23:41:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
That's Obomath. This bunch of morons we have for an administration do
well to breath on their own.

As opposed to the previous administration, a bunch of lying thieves, who
spent our treasure and blood like drunken sailors on shore leave.

That is a great example of 'Bush Rationale'.

Bush spent a lot of money, so it's OK for 'Bama to waste four times as
much.

You guys are something else.
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

Clunker Math
 

On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 23:40:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...
And that doesn't take into account the loss of revenue for the aftermarket
parts and repair industry that just lost those potential 700,000 vehicles
to the junkyard. Nor the energy savings of recycling those parts through
the re-manufacturing industry


And, it doesn't take into account the improvement to the atmosphere, small
though it is (if you really want a big improvement, severely restrict beef
sales), nor the improvement, also relatively small in the viability of the
auto manufacturers nor putting the breaks on a worsening job market.

Hate to break it to you, but most of the usable parts of the clunkers were
salvaged before the shredding. There was some loss to the secondary car
sales market, since they were removed from the mix.

Until you liberals get serious about nuclear energy, your 'improvement
to the atmosphere' comments are little more than humorous politics.
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

Clunker Math
 

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 23:41:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
That's Obomath. This bunch of morons we have for an administration do
well to breath on their own.
As opposed to the previous administration, a bunch of lying thieves, who
spent our treasure and blood like drunken sailors on shore leave.

That is a great example of 'Bush Rationale'.

Bush spent a lot of money, so it's OK for 'Bama to waste four times as
much.

You guys are something else.

"Waste" implys that bama can account for the money he so frivolously
throws around. Most of the bailout money just vaporized into thin air.
Does anyone know where all that automaker bailout money? Even more
difficult to trace is the financial industry bailout. I wonder if those
executives ever got their bonuses. The clunker program hasn't done so
well either. Mis management of the program has left the dealers holding
the empty bag. Hopefully they will eventually get paid.

Clunker Math
 

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...
And that doesn't take into account the loss of revenue for the aftermarket
parts and repair industry that just lost those potential 700,000 vehicles
to the junkyard. Nor the energy savings of recycling those parts through
the re-manufacturing industry


And, it doesn't take into account the improvement to the atmosphere, small
though it is (if you really want a big improvement, severely restrict beef
sales), nor the improvement, also relatively small in the viability of the
auto manufacturers nor putting the breaks on a worsening job market.

Hate to break it to you, but most of the usable parts of the clunkers were
salvaged before the shredding. There was some loss to the secondary car
sales market, since they were removed from the mix.

Think of the number of nonpolluting nuclear plant that could have been
built and truly eliminating coal fired plants. reducing CO2 means
eliminating fossil fuels (gasoline,coal, natural gas, propane, etc) as
an energy sources.

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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...
And that doesn't take into account the loss of revenue for the aftermarket
parts and repair industry that just lost those potential 700,000 vehicles
to the junkyard. Nor the energy savings of recycling those parts through
the re-manufacturing industry


And, it doesn't take into account the improvement to the atmosphere, small
though it is (if you really want a big improvement, severely restrict beef
sales), nor the improvement, also relatively small in the viability of the
auto manufacturers nor putting the breaks on a worsening job market.

Why did my 2001 F-150 with a 5.4L V8 qualify to be replaced with a 2009
F-150 with a 5.4L V8 under the CARS program?

Hate to break it to you, but most of the usable parts of the clunkers were
salvaged before the shredding. There was some loss to the secondary car
sales market, since they were removed from the mix.

Clunker Math
 

On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 09:09:08 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 07:04:49 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 23:40:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...
And that doesn't take into account the loss of revenue for the aftermarket
parts and repair industry that just lost those potential 700,000 vehicles
to the junkyard. Nor the energy savings of recycling those parts through
the re-manufacturing industry


And, it doesn't take into account the improvement to the atmosphere, small
though it is (if you really want a big improvement, severely restrict beef
sales), nor the improvement, also relatively small in the viability of the
auto manufacturers nor putting the breaks on a worsening job market.

Hate to break it to you, but most of the usable parts of the clunkers were
salvaged before the shredding. There was some loss to the secondary car
sales market, since they were removed from the mix.

Until you liberals get serious about nuclear energy, your 'improvement
to the atmosphere' comments are little more than humorous politics.

Nuclear energy sucks.

It is dirty, dangerous, and expensive. I pay 30% more for the
electricity running through this laptop sitting while I'm sitting on
this couch, than I do at my other home which is served by a coal
plant. Once or twice a year, they remind me that I have to drive by
the melting reactor building to get away, if there ever is a serious
event. That makes my family safe, huh? What the HELL do we do with all
of that spent fuel? It is ACCUMULATING AT THE REACTOR COMPLEXES now,
since no state wants it transported down their roads or stored within
their borders. When will the bill come due and who will pay for the
final disposal of that stuff?

I'd be all for it, if we could overcome the shortcomings, but at this
writing it just sucks.


Better to let Florida sink, huh?

How have the stupid, friggin' French managed to do so well, Gene?
Perhaps you should do a little reading on the new technology available
for dealing with nuclear waste.

I guess improving the atmosphere isn't such a big deal after all, is
it?
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

Clunker Math
 

"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 07:04:49 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 23:40:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...
And that doesn't take into account the loss of revenue for the
aftermarket
parts and repair industry that just lost those potential 700,000
vehicles
to the junkyard. Nor the energy savings of recycling those parts
through
the re-manufacturing industry


And, it doesn't take into account the improvement to the atmosphere,
small
though it is (if you really want a big improvement, severely restrict
beef
sales), nor the improvement, also relatively small in the viability of
the
auto manufacturers nor putting the breaks on a worsening job market.

Hate to break it to you, but most of the usable parts of the clunkers
were
salvaged before the shredding. There was some loss to the secondary car
sales market, since they were removed from the mix.

Until you liberals get serious about nuclear energy, your 'improvement
to the atmosphere' comments are little more than humorous politics.

Nuclear energy sucks.

It is dirty, dangerous, and expensive. I pay 30% more for the
electricity running through this laptop sitting while I'm sitting on
this couch, than I do at my other home which is served by a coal
plant. Once or twice a year, they remind me that I have to drive by
the melting reactor building to get away, if there ever is a serious
event. That makes my family safe, huh? What the HELL do we do with all
of that spent fuel? It is ACCUMULATING AT THE REACTOR COMPLEXES now,
since no state wants it transported down their roads or stored within
their borders. When will the bill come due and who will pay for the
final disposal of that stuff?

I'd be all for it, if we could overcome the shortcomings, but at this
writing it just sucks.
--


The Pollyanna twins...Kevin & JohnnyPrepH think nuclear power is as safe as
going to Sunday mass.
Maybe they should sit on one of the spent rods for a bit to see if it can
power up their brains.

Clunker Math
 

Don White wrote:
"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 07:04:49 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 23:40:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...
And that doesn't take into account the loss of revenue for the
aftermarket
parts and repair industry that just lost those potential 700,000
vehicles
to the junkyard. Nor the energy savings of recycling those parts
through
the re-manufacturing industry

And, it doesn't take into account the improvement to the atmosphere,
small
though it is (if you really want a big improvement, severely restrict
beef
sales), nor the improvement, also relatively small in the viability of
the
auto manufacturers nor putting the breaks on a worsening job market.

Hate to break it to you, but most of the usable parts of the clunkers
were
salvaged before the shredding. There was some loss to the secondary car
sales market, since they were removed from the mix.
Until you liberals get serious about nuclear energy, your 'improvement
to the atmosphere' comments are little more than humorous politics.
Nuclear energy sucks.

It is dirty, dangerous, and expensive. I pay 30% more for the
electricity running through this laptop sitting while I'm sitting on
this couch, than I do at my other home which is served by a coal
plant. Once or twice a year, they remind me that I have to drive by
the melting reactor building to get away, if there ever is a serious
event. That makes my family safe, huh? What the HELL do we do with all
of that spent fuel? It is ACCUMULATING AT THE REACTOR COMPLEXES now,
since no state wants it transported down their roads or stored within
their borders. When will the bill come due and who will pay for the
final disposal of that stuff?

I'd be all for it, if we could overcome the shortcomings, but at this
writing it just sucks.
--


The Pollyanna twins...Kevin & JohnnyPrepH think nuclear power is as safe as
going to Sunday mass.
Maybe they should sit on one of the spent rods for a bit to see if it can
power up their brains.




Damn! Why didn't I think of that!

The "deathers" are going to visit herring soon, and tattoo a Do Not
Resuscitate label on his foot.




--
Birther-Deather-Tenther
Idiots All

Clunker Math
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 23:41:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
That's Obomath. This bunch of morons we have for an administration do
well to breath on their own.

As opposed to the previous administration, a bunch of lying thieves, who
spent our treasure and blood like drunken sailors on shore leave.

That is a great example of 'Bush Rationale'.

Bush spent a lot of money, so it's OK for 'Bama to waste four times as
much.

You guys are something else.


I reject that argument. It's just another label. The point is that the money
Obama is spending for the economic recovery (the nearly failed economy being
easily laid at Bush's door) and has so far been shown not to be a waste.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Clunker Math
 

"Jim" wrote in message
...
"Waste" implys that bama can account for the money he so frivolously
throws around. Most of the bailout money just vaporized into thin air.
Does anyone know where all that automaker bailout money? Even more
difficult to trace is the financial industry bailout. I wonder if those
executives ever got their bonuses. The clunker program hasn't done so well
either. Mis management of the program has left the dealers holding the
empty bag. Hopefully they will eventually get paid.


Hate to tell you, but the first bank bailout happened during Bush's
administration. Are you going to blame the president for that too?

--
Nom=de=Plume

Clunker Math
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
And, it doesn't take into account the improvement to the atmosphere, small
though it is (if you really want a big improvement, severely restrict beef
sales), nor the improvement, also relatively small in the viability of the
auto manufacturers nor putting the breaks on a worsening job market.

Hate to break it to you, but most of the usable parts of the clunkers were
salvaged before the shredding. There was some loss to the secondary car
sales market, since they were removed from the mix.

Until you liberals get serious about nuclear energy, your 'improvement
to the atmosphere' comments are little more than humorous politics.


It's not a complete solution or even a good partial solution. It takes years
to build power plants, and there's always the spent fuel problem.

When are you going to get serious about the actual problems.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Clunker Math
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
How have the stupid, friggin' French managed to do so well, Gene?
Perhaps you should do a little reading on the new technology available
for dealing with nuclear waste.


I guess you forgot about the right's deepseated hatred for all things
French. Got any fries?

--
Nom=de=Plume

Clunker Math
 

On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 10:33:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
. ..
"Waste" implys that bama can account for the money he so frivolously
throws around. Most of the bailout money just vaporized into thin air.
Does anyone know where all that automaker bailout money? Even more
difficult to trace is the financial industry bailout. I wonder if those
executives ever got their bonuses. The clunker program hasn't done so well
either. Mis management of the program has left the dealers holding the
empty bag. Hopefully they will eventually get paid.


Hate to tell you, but the first bank bailout happened during Bush's
administration. Are you going to blame the president for that too?

You skipped the main point. 'Bama is wasting money as fast as he can.

--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

Clunker Math
 

On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 10:35:10 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
And, it doesn't take into account the improvement to the atmosphere, small
though it is (if you really want a big improvement, severely restrict beef
sales), nor the improvement, also relatively small in the viability of the
auto manufacturers nor putting the breaks on a worsening job market.

Hate to break it to you, but most of the usable parts of the clunkers were
salvaged before the shredding. There was some loss to the secondary car
sales market, since they were removed from the mix.

Until you liberals get serious about nuclear energy, your 'improvement
to the atmosphere' comments are little more than humorous politics.


It's not a complete solution or even a good partial solution. It takes years
to build power plants, and there's always the spent fuel problem.

Liberals have been saying that for years. Go read up on the new
technology for dealing with nuclear waste.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318688,00.html
Yeah, it came from Fox News, but you wouldn't expect the liberal media
to mention it, would you?


When are you going to get serious about the actual problems.

When Florida is inundated because liberals don't want to solve
problems. If they did, we wouldn't have these situations:

City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level
1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo, NY 29..9%
3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
5. Miami, FL 26.9%
5. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ 24.2%
U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007

What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty
rate all have in common? Democrat mayors.


--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

Clunker Math
 

On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 10:32:45 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 23:41:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
That's Obomath. This bunch of morons we have for an administration do
well to breath on their own.

As opposed to the previous administration, a bunch of lying thieves, who
spent our treasure and blood like drunken sailors on shore leave.

That is a great example of 'Bush Rationale'.

Bush spent a lot of money, so it's OK for 'Bama to waste four times as
much.

You guys are something else.


I reject that argument. It's just another label. The point is that the money
Obama is spending for the economic recovery (the nearly failed economy being
easily laid at Bush's door) and has so far been shown not to be a waste.

Reject away. You attempted to justify 'Bama's acts by comparing him to
Bush. The failed economy is easily laid at the door of Chris and
Barney. But...
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

Clunker Math
 

On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 10:36:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
How have the stupid, friggin' French managed to do so well, Gene?
Perhaps you should do a little reading on the new technology available
for dealing with nuclear waste.


I guess you forgot about the right's deepseated hatred for all things
French. Got any fries?

Nope, not all things. I like their sensibility about the use of
nuclear power, and I like many of the works by Michel Delacroix.
Croissants fresh from the campsite owner's oven were a real treat.
Paying over $10 for two cokes at Sacré-Coeur Basilica was hard to
take. But, the kids were thirsty.
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

Clunker Math
 

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
"Waste" implys that bama can account for the money he so frivolously
throws around. Most of the bailout money just vaporized into thin air.
Does anyone know where all that automaker bailout money? Even more
difficult to trace is the financial industry bailout. I wonder if those
executives ever got their bonuses. The clunker program hasn't done so well
either. Mis management of the program has left the dealers holding the
empty bag. Hopefully they will eventually get paid.


Hate to tell you, but the first bank bailout happened during Bush's
administration. Are you going to blame the president for that too?

Why didn't bama learn from Bushes mistake and demand some accountability
instead of making the same mistake again?

Clunker Math
 

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 10:35:10 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
And, it doesn't take into account the improvement to the atmosphere, small
though it is (if you really want a big improvement, severely restrict beef
sales), nor the improvement, also relatively small in the viability of the
auto manufacturers nor putting the breaks on a worsening job market.

Hate to break it to you, but most of the usable parts of the clunkers were
salvaged before the shredding. There was some loss to the secondary car
sales market, since they were removed from the mix.
Until you liberals get serious about nuclear energy, your 'improvement
to the atmosphere' comments are little more than humorous politics.

It's not a complete solution or even a good partial solution. It takes years
to build power plants, and there's always the spent fuel problem.

Liberals have been saying that for years. Go read up on the new
technology for dealing with nuclear waste.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318688,00.html
Yeah, it came from Fox News, but you wouldn't expect the liberal media
to mention it, would you?

When are you going to get serious about the actual problems.

When Florida is inundated because liberals don't want to solve
problems. If they did, we wouldn't have these situations:

City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level
1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo, NY 29..9%
3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
5. Miami, FL 26.9%
5. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ 24.2%
U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007

What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty
rate all have in common? Democrat mayors.


The po folk just love those liberal cities and states. They come from
far and wide to find some teat to suck on.

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nom=de=plume wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
And, it doesn't take into account the improvement to the atmosphere, small
though it is (if you really want a big improvement, severely restrict beef
sales), nor the improvement, also relatively small in the viability of the
auto manufacturers nor putting the breaks on a worsening job market.

Hate to break it to you, but most of the usable parts of the clunkers were
salvaged before the shredding. There was some loss to the secondary car
sales market, since they were removed from the mix.
Until you liberals get serious about nuclear energy, your 'improvement
to the atmosphere' comments are little more than humorous politics.


It's not a complete solution or even a good partial solution. It takes years
to build power plants, and there's always the spent fuel problem.

Every day you delay the building of nuclear plants is another day the
citizens of the USA are sending money overseas for energy or burning
coal and oil.

When are you going to get serious about the actual problems.

When are you going to stop talking about the problem and start taking
action.

Clunker Math
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
Hate to tell you, but the first bank bailout happened during Bush's
administration. Are you going to blame the president for that too?

You skipped the main point. 'Bama is wasting money as fast as he can.

--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary
thinking.


You missed the main point. It's been shown to have worked, and it's
continuing to help.

--
Nom=de=Plume

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"Jim" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
"Waste" implys that bama can account for the money he so frivolously
throws around. Most of the bailout money just vaporized into thin air.
Does anyone know where all that automaker bailout money? Even more
difficult to trace is the financial industry bailout. I wonder if those
executives ever got their bonuses. The clunker program hasn't done so
well either. Mis management of the program has left the dealers holding
the empty bag. Hopefully they will eventually get paid.


Hate to tell you, but the first bank bailout happened during Bush's
administration. Are you going to blame the president for that too?

Why didn't bama learn from Bushes mistake and demand some accountability
instead of making the same mistake again?


Having trouble spelling? It's "O"bama. There's much more accountability in
the more recent bailouts.

--
Nom=de=Plume

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"John H." wrote in message
...
I reject that argument. It's just another label. The point is that the
money
Obama is spending for the economic recovery (the nearly failed economy
being
easily laid at Bush's door) and has so far been shown not to be a waste.

Reject away. You attempted to justify 'Bama's acts by comparing him to
Bush. The failed economy is easily laid at the door of Chris and
Barney. But...


So, now you're blaming Frank and Dodd? I thought is was Obama's fault.

Pot, kettle, black.

--
Nom=de=Plume

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"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 10:36:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
. ..
How have the stupid, friggin' French managed to do so well, Gene?
Perhaps you should do a little reading on the new technology available
for dealing with nuclear waste.


I guess you forgot about the right's deepseated hatred for all things
French. Got any fries?

Nope, not all things. I like their sensibility about the use of
nuclear power, and I like many of the works by Michel Delacroix.
Croissants fresh from the campsite owner's oven were a real treat.
Paying over $10 for two cokes at Sacré-Coeur Basilica was hard to
take. But, the kids were thirsty.
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary
thinking.


So, the Freedom Fries were just an left-wing plot to confuse us?

--
Nom=de=Plume

Clunker Math
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
It's not a complete solution or even a good partial solution. It takes
years
to build power plants, and there's always the spent fuel problem.

Liberals have been saying that for years. Go read up on the new
technology for dealing with nuclear waste.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318688,00.html
Yeah, it came from Fox News, but you wouldn't expect the liberal media
to mention it, would you?

Hmmm.... a tool of the Heritage Foundation. No mention of that in the
article. As to the merits of reprocessing, if it can be done safely, I'm all
for it.

What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty
rate all have in common? Democrat mayors.


Sure is easy for you to morph from nuclear power to city's poor. Another
tactic to distract from the facts?

--
Nom=de=Plume

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"BAR" wrote in message
...
It's not a complete solution or even a good partial solution. It takes
years to build power plants, and there's always the spent fuel problem.

Every day you delay the building of nuclear plants is another day the
citizens of the USA are sending money overseas for energy or burning coal
and oil.

True enough.


When are you going to get serious about the actual problems.

When are you going to stop talking about the problem and start taking
action.

The real solution is to stop eating so much meat. That would have an
immediate and positive effect. The other things take years.

--
Nom=de=Plume

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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
"Waste" implys that bama can account for the money he so frivolously
throws around. Most of the bailout money just vaporized into thin air.
Does anyone know where all that automaker bailout money? Even more
difficult to trace is the financial industry bailout. I wonder if those
executives ever got their bonuses. The clunker program hasn't done so
well either. Mis management of the program has left the dealers holding
the empty bag. Hopefully they will eventually get paid.

Hate to tell you, but the first bank bailout happened during Bush's
administration. Are you going to blame the president for that too?

Why didn't bama learn from Bushes mistake and demand some accountability
instead of making the same mistake again?


Having trouble spelling? It's "O"bama. There's much more accountability in
the more recent bailouts.

Maybe he's starting to catch on. Let's "hope" so. I still think he's
throwing gobs of money into the air and "hopes" it lands in the right
places. "Change" is a comin. Lets "hope" it doesn't trample us all when
it does.

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On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 12:27:37 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
I reject that argument. It's just another label. The point is that the
money
Obama is spending for the economic recovery (the nearly failed economy
being
easily laid at Bush's door) and has so far been shown not to be a waste.

Reject away. You attempted to justify 'Bama's acts by comparing him to
Bush. The failed economy is easily laid at the door of Chris and
Barney. But...


So, now you're blaming Frank and Dodd? I thought is was Obama's fault.

Pot, kettle, black.

You just foolishly laid it at Bush's door.

When you say Frank, Dodd, and Obama and then Pot, kettle, black, I
think you're being racist.

Harry will get you for a lot less than that!
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

Clunker Math
 

On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 12:28:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 10:36:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
How have the stupid, friggin' French managed to do so well, Gene?
Perhaps you should do a little reading on the new technology available
for dealing with nuclear waste.


I guess you forgot about the right's deepseated hatred for all things
French. Got any fries?

Nope, not all things. I like their sensibility about the use of
nuclear power, and I like many of the works by Michel Delacroix.
Croissants fresh from the campsite owner's oven were a real treat.
Paying over $10 for two cokes at Sacré-Coeur Basilica was hard to
take. But, the kids were thirsty.
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary
thinking.


So, the Freedom Fries were just an left-wing plot to confuse us?

Whatever you say.
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

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On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 12:26:37 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
.. .
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
"Waste" implys that bama can account for the money he so frivolously
throws around. Most of the bailout money just vaporized into thin air.
Does anyone know where all that automaker bailout money? Even more
difficult to trace is the financial industry bailout. I wonder if those
executives ever got their bonuses. The clunker program hasn't done so
well either. Mis management of the program has left the dealers holding
the empty bag. Hopefully they will eventually get paid.


Hate to tell you, but the first bank bailout happened during Bush's
administration. Are you going to blame the president for that too?

Why didn't bama learn from Bushes mistake and demand some accountability
instead of making the same mistake again?


Having trouble spelling? It's "O"bama. There's much more accountability in
the more recent bailouts.

We don't want to get confused with Hosanna and Obama, so 'Bama is a
good way to go.
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

Clunker Math
 

On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 12:25:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
Hate to tell you, but the first bank bailout happened during Bush's
administration. Are you going to blame the president for that too?

You skipped the main point. 'Bama is wasting money as fast as he can.

--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary
thinking.


You missed the main point. It's been shown to have worked, and it's
continuing to help.

Snipping is a dishonest Krause trick. Cute, but dishonest.

"Waste" implys that bama can account for the money he so frivolously
throws around. Most of the bailout money just vaporized into thin air.

That was the point.
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

Clunker Math
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
You missed the main point. It's been shown to have worked, and it's
continuing to help.

Snipping is a dishonest Krause trick. Cute, but dishonest.

No, it's to save space. You continually attack people rather than have an
honest discusion. I did nothing dishonest, and I'm not Krause . don't even
know him.


"Waste" implys that bama can account for the money he so frivolously
throws around. Most of the bailout money just vaporized into thin air.

That was the point.

No. The point is that Obama's administration has put into place a lot more
accountability. If you don't see that, then this discussion is pointless.
You're contantly attacking people vs. ideas. That's dishonest and not at all
cute.

--
Nom=de=Plume

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"Jim" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
Having trouble spelling? It's "O"bama. There's much more accountability
in the more recent bailouts.

Maybe he's starting to catch on. Let's "hope" so. I still think he's
throwing gobs of money into the air and "hopes" it lands in the right
places. "Change" is a comin. Lets "hope" it doesn't trample us all when it
does.


What should catch on? Racist language and implication? That ship has sailed,
unfortunately.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Clunker Math
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
Having trouble spelling? It's "O"bama. There's much more accountability in
the more recent bailouts.

We don't want to get confused with Hosanna and Obama, so 'Bama is a
good way to go.

You mean you don't want to get confused. For most people, it's pretty clear
what you mean, btw.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Clunker Math
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
Reject away. You attempted to justify 'Bama's acts by comparing him to
Bush. The failed economy is easily laid at the door of Chris and
Barney. But...


So, now you're blaming Frank and Dodd? I thought is was Obama's fault.

Pot, kettle, black.

You just foolishly laid it at Bush's door.

When you say Frank, Dodd, and Obama and then Pot, kettle, black, I
think you're being racist.

Harry will get you for a lot less than that!


I accurately laid it at Bush's door. Believe what you want! You and your
friends here seem to think that racism is funny or can be dismissed as such.
Comments like this are, unfortunately, typical of those who would rather
create fear and mistrust vs. have an intelligent discussion of the important
issues.


--
Nom=de=Plume

Clunker Math
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
So, the Freedom Fries were just an left-wing plot to confuse us?

Whatever you say.


So, you have nothing to say about that little ditty. Ok, whatever I say!

--
Nom=de=Plume

Clunker Math
 

On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 12:33:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
It's not a complete solution or even a good partial solution. It takes
years
to build power plants, and there's always the spent fuel problem.

Liberals have been saying that for years. Go read up on the new
technology for dealing with nuclear waste.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318688,00.html
Yeah, it came from Fox News, but you wouldn't expect the liberal media
to mention it, would you?

Hmmm.... a tool of the Heritage Foundation. No mention of that in the
article. As to the merits of reprocessing, if it can be done safely, I'm all
for it.

What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty
rate all have in common? Democrat mayors.


Sure is easy for you to morph from nuclear power to city's poor. Another
tactic to distract from the facts?

The 'morphing' was from problem solving to problem solving. I think
maybe you exercised the scissors again.
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.