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On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 12:35:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "BAR" wrote in message m... It's not a complete solution or even a good partial solution. It takes years to build power plants, and there's always the spent fuel problem. Every day you delay the building of nuclear plants is another day the citizens of the USA are sending money overseas for energy or burning coal and oil. True enough. When are you going to get serious about the actual problems. When are you going to stop talking about the problem and start taking action. The real solution is to stop eating so much meat. That would have an immediate and positive effect. The other things take years. LOL, but I don't think you meant that as a joke.The liberal 'that takes years' excuse has been in use for years. It's getting old. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 13:37:26 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . Reject away. You attempted to justify 'Bama's acts by comparing him to Bush. The failed economy is easily laid at the door of Chris and Barney. But... So, now you're blaming Frank and Dodd? I thought is was Obama's fault. Pot, kettle, black. You just foolishly laid it at Bush's door. When you say Frank, Dodd, and Obama and then Pot, kettle, black, I think you're being racist. Harry will get you for a lot less than that! I accurately laid it at Bush's door. Believe what you want! You and your friends here seem to think that racism is funny or can be dismissed as such. Comments like this are, unfortunately, typical of those who would rather create fear and mistrust vs. have an intelligent discussion of the important issues. Liberals have been crying racist any time 'Bama gets criticized. You've just joined the crowd. Racist, my ass. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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"Jim" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: Having trouble spelling? It's "O"bama. There's much more accountability in the more recent bailouts. Maybe he's starting to catch on. Let's "hope" so. I still think he's throwing gobs of money into the air and "hopes" it lands in the right places. "Change" is a comin. Lets "hope" it doesn't trample us all when it does. What should catch on? Racist language and implication? That ship has sailed, unfortunately. You snuck the word racist in. Good for you. Harry and Jessie Jackson would be sooooooo proud. |
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On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 13:33:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . You missed the main point. It's been shown to have worked, and it's continuing to help. Snipping is a dishonest Krause trick. Cute, but dishonest. No, it's to save space. You continually attack people rather than have an honest discusion. I did nothing dishonest, and I'm not Krause . don't even know him. "Waste" implys that bama can account for the money he so frivolously throws around. Most of the bailout money just vaporized into thin air. That was the point. No. The point is that Obama's administration has put into place a lot more accountability. If you don't see that, then this discussion is pointless. You're contantly attacking people vs. ideas. That's dishonest and not at all cute. Space costs nothing. We're not renting by the square foot. You may not consider it dishonest, but I do. I agree that this discussion is pointless. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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"John H." wrote in message
... No, it's to save space. You continually attack people rather than have an honest discusion. I did nothing dishonest, and I'm not Krause . don't even know him. "Waste" implys that bama can account for the money he so frivolously throws around. Most of the bailout money just vaporized into thin air. That was the point. No. The point is that Obama's administration has put into place a lot more accountability. If you don't see that, then this discussion is pointless. You're contantly attacking people vs. ideas. That's dishonest and not at all cute. Space costs nothing. We're not renting by the square foot. So, I'm supposed to keep all the header stuff, all the diatribe bs from either side just because you say so? I don't think so. Feel free to not respond when I do my best to narrow the focus. You may not consider it dishonest, but I do. It's an accepted practice on Usenet to strain out all the bs and keep the discussion focused. I don't really care if you don't like it. Perhaps you'd like to call me something truly nasty if it'll make you feel better. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... nom=de=plume wrote: "Jim" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: Having trouble spelling? It's "O"bama. There's much more accountability in the more recent bailouts. Maybe he's starting to catch on. Let's "hope" so. I still think he's throwing gobs of money into the air and "hopes" it lands in the right places. "Change" is a comin. Lets "hope" it doesn't trample us all when it does. What should catch on? Racist language and implication? That ship has sailed, unfortunately. You snuck the word racist in. Good for you. Harry and Jessie Jackson would be sooooooo proud. So, you think it's ok for people to use racially charged language to make a point. I didn't "sneak" in anything. If I was going to that, I would have said "Raysist" -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 10:33:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Hate to tell you, but the first bank bailout happened during Bush's administration. Are you going to blame the president for that too? ... and the bank deregulation that allowed it happened on Clinton's watch with virtually unanimous congressional support (4 nay votes in the house, 2 D, 2 R, 100% support in the senate) There is plenty of blame to go around. I agree! But, there are some that only want to blame Obama or Bush. Instead of blame, how about looking at the facts, what happened, and how to fix it? Nahhh... too straightforward. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"John H." wrote in message
... I accurately laid it at Bush's door. Believe what you want! You and your friends here seem to think that racism is funny or can be dismissed as such. Comments like this are, unfortunately, typical of those who would rather create fear and mistrust vs. have an intelligent discussion of the important issues. Liberals have been crying racist any time 'Bama gets criticized. You've just joined the crowd. I've done nothing of the like. I have no problem, as I've said many times, in blaming whomever deserves it. Please show otherwise. Racist, my ass. I sincerely doubt this, but it's an amusing image. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 09:09:08 -0400, Gene wrote: Nuclear energy sucks. It is dirty, dangerous, and expensive. I pay 30% more for the electricity running through this laptop sitting while I'm sitting on this couch, than I do at my other home which is served by a coal plant. That will not be true when Gore gets his cap and tax bill and your coal plant will pay double or triple for the coal. Al Gore is president? No wait, he's in Congress. No... I know. I know. He's on the Supreme Court! -- Nom=de=Plume |
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Perhaps you'd like to call me something truly nasty if it'll make you feel better. JPS would be happy to accommodate you. And if he fails to live up to his reputation, There's always Krausie. |
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"John H." wrote in message
... Sure is easy for you to morph from nuclear power to city's poor. Another tactic to distract from the facts? The 'morphing' was from problem solving to problem solving. I think maybe you exercised the scissors again. You can't seem to stay focused. We were talking about nukes and previously clunkers, then you attempted a strawman argument about inner-city poor. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"John H." wrote in message
... The real solution is to stop eating so much meat. That would have an immediate and positive effect. The other things take years. LOL, but I don't think you meant that as a joke.The liberal 'that takes years' excuse has been in use for years. It's getting old. Certainly no joke. Cows and such make up the bulk of the greenhouse gas problem. Besides, the conditions that they are raised in are horrible. Who would want to eat a cow after visiting a traditional stockyard? Someone once said that it's better for the environment to eat a veggie burger in a Hummer than a burger in a Prius. Do you believe that putting a significant number of new nuke plants online is going to happen in less than a decade? Not that moving people from eating so much meat is fast process either, but the benefits are much greater and not just for oil consumption. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 23:40:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Hate to break it to you, but most of the usable parts of the clunkers were salvaged before the shredding. There was some loss to the secondary car sales market, since they were removed from the mix. Not around here. Whole cars were shredded and loaded into hopper cars destined for China. In that case, they threw out stuff that they didn't need to do according to the regs. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 14:45:40 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . Sure is easy for you to morph from nuclear power to city's poor. Another tactic to distract from the facts? The 'morphing' was from problem solving to problem solving. I think maybe you exercised the scissors again. You can't seem to stay focused. We were talking about nukes and previously clunkers, then you attempted a strawman argument about inner-city poor. Watch... -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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"John H." wrote in message
... On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 14:45:40 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. Sure is easy for you to morph from nuclear power to city's poor. Another tactic to distract from the facts? The 'morphing' was from problem solving to problem solving. I think maybe you exercised the scissors again. You can't seem to stay focused. We were talking about nukes and previously clunkers, then you attempted a strawman argument about inner-city poor. Watch... Careful. That's too close to witch. I might be offended, given I'm a liberal. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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No. The point is that Obama's administration has put into place a lot more accountability. ROTFLOL.... Right, accountability!? That's funny... |
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"BAR" wrote in message ... It's not a complete solution or even a good partial solution. It takes years to build power plants, and there's always the spent fuel problem. Every day you delay the building of nuclear plants is another day the citizens of the USA are sending money overseas for energy or burning coal and oil. True enough. When are you going to get serious about the actual problems. When are you going to stop talking about the problem and start taking action. The real solution is to stop eating so much meat. That would have an immediate and positive effect. The other things take years. It will cost you three or four times as much in energy to replace the animal protein with plant protein. |
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"JustWait" wrote in message
... No. The point is that Obama's administration has put into place a lot more accountability. ROTFLOL.... Right, accountability!? That's funny... No. Left accountability. The Right didn't even try to be accountable. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"JustWait" wrote in message
... Hate to tell you, but the first bank bailout happened during Bush's administration. Are you going to blame the president for that too? Why didn't bama learn from Bushes mistake and demand some accountability instead of making the same mistake again? Having trouble spelling? It's "O"bama. There's much more accountability in the more recent bailouts. Why, cause Biden told you, or was it Letterman?? Because of the facts... sorry. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 14:41:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Hate to tell you, but the first bank bailout happened during Bush's administration. Are you going to blame the president for that too? ... and the bank deregulation that allowed it happened on Clinton's watch with virtually unanimous congressional support (4 nay votes in the house, 2 D, 2 R, 100% support in the senate) There is plenty of blame to go around. I agree! But, there are some that only want to blame Obama or Bush. Instead of blame, how about looking at the facts, what happened, and how to fix it? Nahhh... too straightforward. The only real "fix" is to rebuild American industry and start making things here again instead of just creating "prosperity" on paper. That may bump into the carbon tax problem. China is building new coal plants at a rate of 2 a week to fuel their factories. If we can't find a way of coming up with the energy to compete with that in some acceptable and economically feasible way we will never dig our way out of this hole. I agree. We certainly have the brains. We absolutely need to address the global implications of China's plants. Doing something by ourselves (talking greenhouse gases) isn't the ultimate solution. It needs to be a global effort. We have (and will have more) influence around the world. We need to use our influence and power for good. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"JustWait" wrote in message
... I accurately laid it at Bush's door. Believe what you want! You and your friends here seem to think that racism is funny or can be dismissed as such. Comments like this are, unfortunately, typical of those who would rather create fear and mistrust vs. have an intelligent discussion of the important issues. Liberals have been crying racist any time 'Bama gets criticized. You've just joined the crowd. Racist, my ass. Really. It's a bunch of bull****, but it does seem to kindle flames, just as it is meant to do... When are minority Americans going to figure out the only folks that seem to see race in everything is the Dem leadership... It's just another deflection... Good grief. You're actually going to deny that the Republican leadership (Rush, Beck, etc.) are not racists? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 14:44:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: That will not be true when Gore gets his cap and tax bill and your coal plant will pay double or triple for the coal. Al Gore is president? No wait, he's in Congress. No... I know. I know. He's on the Supreme Court! I originally typed "Obama" but I didn't want to keep slamming a guy who is basically a puppet for the people who put him in office. You notice he has backed off of all of his "change" rhetoric since his Jimmy Carter moment (roughly defined as the day he realized the president is largely a ceremonial office) Gore has their ear and is the high priest in the carbon tax crusade. That cult has taken over the left. How do you come to the conclusion that Obama is a puppet? The majority of Americans put him in office and by a wide margin in the electoral college. We'll see if he backs off his "change" rhetoric. It's not clear yet. If he does, e.g., giving away the public option to a bunch of right-wing stooges of the insurance industry (no, there are Democrats there also), he will lose his base. Not sure what Carter has to do with anything. He's been out of office for a while now. I was never a big fan of his. I guess it's got to be someone's fault, so Gore is it? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... George Soros owns the left.. He has bought and paid for them. I got the check last week. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 14:50:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Certainly no joke. Cows and such make up the bulk of the greenhouse gas problem. Besides, the conditions that they are raised in are horrible. Who would want to eat a cow after visiting a traditional stockyard? Someone once said that it's better for the environment to eat a veggie burger in a Hummer than a burger in a Prius. All the more reason to take the Sarah Palin approach and hunt. A deer is carbon neutral. Shoot them from a helicopter. Better yet, get her unwed daughter with the kid to do it. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"BAR" wrote in message
... The real solution is to stop eating so much meat. That would have an immediate and positive effect. The other things take years. It will cost you three or four times as much in energy to replace the animal protein with plant protein. ?? From where do you get such notions... the moon? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 21:26:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: The only real "fix" is to rebuild American industry and start making things here again instead of just creating "prosperity" on paper. That may bump into the carbon tax problem. China is building new coal plants at a rate of 2 a week to fuel their factories. If we can't find a way of coming up with the energy to compete with that in some acceptable and economically feasible way we will never dig our way out of this hole. I agree. We certainly have the brains. We absolutely need to address the global implications of China's plants. Doing something by ourselves (talking greenhouse gases) isn't the ultimate solution. It needs to be a global effort. We have (and will have more) influence around the world. We need to use our influence and power for good. Unfortunately our power and influence is slipping away very quickly. In a decade we may be about as important as France, Spain and the UK. Old empires desperately trying to cling to past glories. China may just call the debt and do what the Soviets couldn't do with 10,000 nuclear weapons ... bury us. Well, I'm not that worried about China. They need us in some ways more than we need them. I read somewhere about the consequences of them pulling the plug on credit, and the conclusion was that they would suffer more. In some ways, I'm more concerned about the "new" Russia. While they certainly have their own economic problems, they also have a very strong nationalistic bent and the money to push. I'm also concerned about Pakistan/India. Talk about mutual paranoia... with nukes to boot. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 21:31:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I originally typed "Obama" but I didn't want to keep slamming a guy who is basically a puppet for the people who put him in office. You notice he has backed off of all of his "change" rhetoric since his Jimmy Carter moment (roughly defined as the day he realized the president is largely a ceremonial office) Gore has their ear and is the high priest in the carbon tax crusade. That cult has taken over the left. How do you come to the conclusion that Obama is a puppet? The majority of Americans put him in office and by a wide margin in the electoral college. Every president since Nixon was a puppet of the monied people who put him in office. It is getting worse each cycle. Well, in that sense ok. Nobody comes up with a billion dollars without owing a lot of allegiance to a lot of rich people. You also have party pressures. That is what knocked down all of Carter's lofty goals. I only bring him up as an example of an "outside the beltway" guy who came to town promising to change the way government worked. He was ground up and reduced to a gray paste in 3 months, much like Mr Obama. The jury is still out with Obama. I hope it won't happen. We need it not to happen. I guess it's got to be someone's fault, so Gore is it Gore is the spiritual leader of the carbon tax cult, no more, no less. In that regard he is the democratic equivalent of Jerry Falwell or Rick Warren who also were not government officials but had a lot of influence on Bush's policies and controlled a lot of votes. I'm unconvinced by either those groups... carbon tax vs. cap and trade. I should read more about it. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"JustWait" wrote in message ... I accurately laid it at Bush's door. Believe what you want! You and your friends here seem to think that racism is funny or can be dismissed as such. Comments like this are, unfortunately, typical of those who would rather create fear and mistrust vs. have an intelligent discussion of the important issues. Liberals have been crying racist any time 'Bama gets criticized. You've just joined the crowd. Racist, my ass. Really. It's a bunch of bull****, but it does seem to kindle flames, just as it is meant to do... When are minority Americans going to figure out the only folks that seem to see race in everything is the Dem leadership... It's just another deflection... Good grief. You're actually going to deny that the Republican leadership (Rush, Beck, etc.) are not racists? Those guys are republican party leaders? Now that's news. |
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wrote in message ... On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 14:41:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Hate to tell you, but the first bank bailout happened during Bush's administration. Are you going to blame the president for that too? ... and the bank deregulation that allowed it happened on Clinton's watch with virtually unanimous congressional support (4 nay votes in the house, 2 D, 2 R, 100% support in the senate) There is plenty of blame to go around. I agree! But, there are some that only want to blame Obama or Bush. Instead of blame, how about looking at the facts, what happened, and how to fix it? Nahhh... too straightforward. The only real "fix" is to rebuild American industry and start making things here again instead of just creating "prosperity" on paper. That may bump into the carbon tax problem. China is building new coal plants at a rate of 2 a week to fuel their factories. If we can't find a way of coming up with the energy to compete with that in some acceptable and economically feasible way we will never dig our way out of this hole. I agree. We certainly have the brains. We absolutely need to address the global implications of China's plants. Doing something by ourselves (talking greenhouse gases) isn't the ultimate solution. It needs to be a global effort. We have (and will have more) influence around the world. We need to use our influence and power for good. Our "power" is diminishing rapidly. The country is broke and nearly broken. The first thing we need to do is to repeal the all of the entitlements at the federal level and tell those who receive them that they are going to have to take on for the team again. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"JustWait" wrote in message ... I accurately laid it at Bush's door. Believe what you want! You and your friends here seem to think that racism is funny or can be dismissed as such. Comments like this are, unfortunately, typical of those who would rather create fear and mistrust vs. have an intelligent discussion of the important issues. Liberals have been crying racist any time 'Bama gets criticized. You've just joined the crowd. Racist, my ass. Really. It's a bunch of bull****, but it does seem to kindle flames, just as it is meant to do... When are minority Americans going to figure out the only folks that seem to see race in everything is the Dem leadership... It's just another deflection... Good grief. You're actually going to deny that the Republican leadership (Rush, Beck, etc.) are not racists. Cooper, Maddow and Eifil are Democrat leadership? |
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"Lu Powell" wrote in message ... Got his from a blog at http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2331218/posts Hard to argue with the math: "Here's some math from your stories that the average clunker got 15 mpg and the average replacement gets 25. · A vehicle at 15 mpg and 12,000 miles per year uses 800 gallons a year of gasoline. · A vehicle at 25 mpg and 12,000 miles per year uses 480 gallons a year. · So, an average clunker transaction reduces U.S. gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per year. · The total is about 700,000 vehicles - so that's 224 million gallons / year. · That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil. · 5 million barrels of oil is about ¼ of one day's U.S. consumption. · And, 5 million barrels of oil costs about $350 million dollars at $75/bbl. · So, we all contributed to spending $3 billion to save $350 million. How good a deal was that???" And that doesn't take into account the loss of revenue for the aftermarket parts and repair industry that just lost those potential 700,000 vehicles to the junkyard. Nor the energy savings of recycling those parts through the re-manufacturing industry To bribe the voters. Obama knows his policies are not working and political support is dicipating, so he bribes those he can with our money. Or should I say our credit-debt? Obama is destined to be the biggest debt increase of any government leader in the history of the world. It will takes decades, perhaps generations to recover from. |
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"BAR" wrote in message
... I agree. We certainly have the brains. We absolutely need to address the global implications of China's plants. Doing something by ourselves (talking greenhouse gases) isn't the ultimate solution. It needs to be a global effort. We have (and will have more) influence around the world. We need to use our influence and power for good. Our "power" is diminishing rapidly. The country is broke and nearly broken. The first thing we need to do is to repeal the all of the entitlements at the federal level and tell those who receive them that they are going to have to take on for the team again. Yeah, screw the poor created by the mis-notion of free market capitalism. What would Jesus do? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Jim" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: "JustWait" wrote in message ... I accurately laid it at Bush's door. Believe what you want! You and your friends here seem to think that racism is funny or can be dismissed as such. Comments like this are, unfortunately, typical of those who would rather create fear and mistrust vs. have an intelligent discussion of the important issues. Liberals have been crying racist any time 'Bama gets criticized. You've just joined the crowd. Racist, my ass. Really. It's a bunch of bull****, but it does seem to kindle flames, just as it is meant to do... When are minority Americans going to figure out the only folks that seem to see race in everything is the Dem leadership... It's just another deflection... Good grief. You're actually going to deny that the Republican leadership (Rush, Beck, etc.) are not racists? Those guys are republican party leaders? Now that's news. Not really. Please name an actual leader who isn't kowtowing to them. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"JustWait" wrote in message
... Good grief. You're actually going to deny that the Republican leadership (Rush, Beck, etc.) are not racists? Those guys are republican party leaders? Now that's news. Yeah, and both do more for minorities than Jessi Jackass and Charlie Rangle combined, they just don't talk much about it. Dems call them "racist" because that is the worst insult they can think of for someone who doesn't toe the party line. They would turn on Obama and call him racist if he didn't line up too. It's kind of funny to hear it coming from Dems all the time though, they being the ones who are creating most of the racial divides to maintain power over the block votes... How that's funny! I thought I saw Rush and Beck at an NAACP meeting last week. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"BAR" wrote in message
... Good grief. You're actually going to deny that the Republican leadership (Rush, Beck, etc.) are not racists. Cooper, Maddow and Eifil are Democrat leadership? Umm... now if you had said Obama, Reid, Pelosi and perhaps a couple of others in Congress, I'd agree. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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