On Sep 4, 2:30*pm, thunder wrote:
On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 11:06:16 -0700, Jack wrote:
The hell it doesn't. *It's in the Preamble, right after "provide for
the common defence". *It's "promote the general Welfare".

While you guys would love to spin it that way, you damn well know the
founding fathers didn't intend that statement to mean that the gov is
supposed to provide health care or heath insurance to its people. Health
insurance didn't even exist in the US when this was written.

You're fooling no one. *You're either being disingenuous, or you're a
socialist idiot.

Man couldn't fly, either, when the Constitution was written, but we have
an Air Force? *So, are you saying health care doesn't "promote the
general Welfare", or are you saying the Founding Fathers expected this
country to stay exactly as it was in 1787?

The Air Force would fall directly under the part about providing for
the common defense. It's just a modern weapon.

Of course health care promotes one definition of "general welfare".
What's a giant leap is asserting that the founding fathers meant for
the federal government to be directly *providing* this health care by
*taxing* the "rich" and then *transferring* that money into health
care for the poor. We do know that health care did exist back then,
but they didn't address it. They didn't write *anywhere* that the gov
was going to be able to take money from a segment of the population
to, in essence, give it to another segment. That's because they were
most definitely NOT in favor of any such mechanism!! There was no
power to tax, remember? That was added by others almost 100 years
later!

What we do know is that the founding fathers were running away from a
system and goverment that was way too "active" in meddling with
personal choices and freedoms. They set many limits on the federal
gov's reach, which of course has been overstepped now in lots of
ways. Bottom line... you're trying really hard to read something into
a statement that you know was never meant to be there.

Be honest and just say you're for government provided health care.
Don't try to push this bull**** on us that the founding fathers meant
it to be. BO may be able to convince your 10 year old of that next
Tuesday, but it won't fly here.