Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:


Did we talk about death panels yet?

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=5517492&page=1


Not to worry; they'll only be set up to visit cantankerous old fart
conservatives.

wf3h wrote:
On Aug 31, 3:33 pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...8/31/MNFT19FC7...
A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."

Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".

Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
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how did bush say he was gonna pay for the iraq war?

how did the GOP say they were gonna pay for the tax cuts for the
wealthy?


On the tax cuts, Bush said "It's YOUR money!" A surplus seems to be
more than the so called "conservatives" can handle.

If they were actual conservatives they would pay off the debt and then
save money for a rainy day.

Conservatives in name only are selfish and don't plan ahead. Think only
of the immediate minute and want it all for themselves.

On the war, it's a mystery why those same "conservatives" were silent on
paying for a war on the credit card.

A true conservative should believe in paying the bills, not avoiding
them and letting someone else pay. Which is what they would accuse a
"liberal" of.

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNFT19FC7K.DTL

A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."

Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".

Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

The guy I referred to in an earlier post, a former evangelical religious
leader, Frank Schaeffer, wrote an op-ed article which I assume appears
in many newspapers today, on exactly this subject.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...,6001884.story

He really seems to be beside himself in grief for what he helped create,
the right wing religious argument.

He helped create it by realizing how to manipulate people with strong
beliefs, based in emotion.

It will be interesting to follow this guy and see how he tries to undo
the foolishness he helped create. The foolishness Palin and John H love
to spread.

Get out your old right wing literature and see who wrote it. He's now
sorry for what he helped start.

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:27:15 -0700, Jim wrote:

wf3h wrote:
On Aug 31, 3:33 pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...8/31/MNFT19FC7...
A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."

Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".

Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
--


how did bush say he was gonna pay for the iraq war?

how did the GOP say they were gonna pay for the tax cuts for the
wealthy?


On the tax cuts, Bush said "It's YOUR money!" A surplus seems to be
more than the so called "conservatives" can handle.


There has never been a "surplus." What the country enjoyed at one
time was a projected budget surplus, and the country can thank
Gingrich's Contract with America for pushing the legislative bodies in
that direction. Tax cuts are an effort to revitalize the economy
through the economic exercise of supply-side economics. Supply-side
economics or Reaganomics in part are what led to the Long Boom.

"More revolutionary was the contract's related proposal: a
constitutional amendment requiring a balanced budget."

CONTRACT WITH AMERICA
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3437701121.html

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On Aug 31, 9:11*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:27:15 -0700, Jim wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 31, 3:33 pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...8/31/MNFT19FC7...
A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."

Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".

Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
--

how did bush say he was gonna pay for the iraq war?

how did the GOP say they were gonna pay for the tax cuts for the
wealthy?

On the tax cuts, Bush said "It's YOUR money!" *A surplus seems to be
more than the so called "conservatives" can handle.

There has never been a "surplus." *What the country enjoyed at one
time was a projected budget surplus, and the country can thank
Gingrich's Contract with America for pushing the legislative bodies in
that direction. *Tax cuts are an effort to revitalize the economy
through the economic exercise of supply-side economics. *Supply-side
economics or Reaganomics in part are what led to the Long Boom.

uh...no. the 2 biggest deficit spenders in history were reagan and gw
bush. neither could say no to the rich

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:31:50 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 31, 9:11*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:27:15 -0700, Jim wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 31, 3:33 pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...8/31/MNFT19FC7...
A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."

Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".

Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
--

how did bush say he was gonna pay for the iraq war?

how did the GOP say they were gonna pay for the tax cuts for the
wealthy?

On the tax cuts, Bush said "It's YOUR money!" *A surplus seems to be
more than the so called "conservatives" can handle.

There has never been a "surplus." *What the country enjoyed at one
time was a projected budget surplus, and the country can thank
Gingrich's Contract with America for pushing the legislative bodies in
that direction. *Tax cuts are an effort to revitalize the economy
through the economic exercise of supply-side economics. *Supply-side
economics or Reaganomics in part are what led to the Long Boom.

uh...no. the 2 biggest deficit spenders in history were reagan and gw
bush. neither could say no to the rich

I have enjoyed your reply to my comment on the Contract with America
with its emphasis on a balanced budget amendment, and I found your
response to the distinction on federal budget surplus' compelling.

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wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:27:15 -0700, Jim wrote:

wf3h wrote:
On Aug 31, 3:33 pm, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...8/31/MNFT19FC7...
A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."

Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".

Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.
--

how did bush say he was gonna pay for the iraq war?

how did the GOP say they were gonna pay for the tax cuts for the
wealthy?

On the tax cuts, Bush said "It's YOUR money!" A surplus seems to be
more than the so called "conservatives" can handle.


There has never been a "surplus." What the country enjoyed at one
time was a projected budget surplus, and the country can thank
Gingrich's Contract with America for pushing the legislative bodies in
that direction. Tax cuts are an effort to revitalize the economy
through the economic exercise of supply-side economics. Supply-side
economics or Reaganomics in part are what led to the Long Boom.

"More revolutionary was the contract's related proposal: a
constitutional amendment requiring a balanced budget."

CONTRACT WITH AMERICA
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3437701121.html

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Good explanation of the surplus:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aGqLx61MRY6w

And then, there's this, which fits right into your explanation:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1091621AAQVd1h

So, what happened to the "Contract with America?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_with_America

What allowed Bush to treat the federal budget like his personal
playground, to invite all his supporters to a share of the treasury?


Please explain.

While I'm waiting, I'll offer this explanation:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051024/borosage

In fairness, the budget surplus was due to both parties cooperating. It
only took one party a few months to undue the surplus. Which one was that?

In article ,
says...

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:46:05 -0400, NotNow wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNFT19FC7K.DTL
A quote, "President Obama, meanwhile, has said don't worry, the plan
"will be paid for."

Here's the problem. For too many questions, the answer is, "Obama said
so." Obama lies. Even you liberals know that, but you condone it by
saying, "Bush lied".

Obama should not be used for any statements. The appropriate sections
of the act should be quoted.

yeah, remember Obama said "we are by that now, we are looking forward"
in reference to the rebirth of the new investigation of the CIA.. Just
because they have to deflect for Pelosi who lied to congress about
them.... snerk


spin, spin spin.....

Spin ****ing nothing.. He said he was by it, now he is back to it, what
there is spin??

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On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:56:50 -0700, Jim wrote:

deleted for the good of a sound polemic

In fairness, the budget surplus was due to both parties cooperating. It
only took one party a few months to undue the surplus. Which one was that?

Any reasonable debate will not be enhanced by citing cynical, biased
pieces written by partisans.

There has never been a "surplus."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

"Debts incurred during the American Revolutionary War and under the
Articles of Confederation led to the first yearly reported value of
$75,463,476.52 on January 1, 1791. Over the following 45 years, the
debt grew, briefly contracted to zero on January 8, 1835 under
President Andrew Jackson but then quickly grew into the millions
again."

Another question; What body politic in the American republic approves
and appropriates all spending?

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On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:22:39 -0500, jpjccd wrote:

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:56:50 -0700, Jim wrote:

In fairness, the budget surplus was due to both parties cooperating. It
only took one party a few months to undue the surplus. Which one was
that?

Any reasonable debate will not be enhanced by citing cynical, biased
pieces written by partisans.

There has never been a "surplus."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

Not true. You can have a *budget* surplus and still have debt. Bush did
inherit a $128 billion surplus.