On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:27:53 -0400, NotNow wrote:

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wf3h wrote:
On Aug 24, 8:03 pm, Guzzistimo wrote:
If the rationale for invading Iraq was to get their oil, what's
Obama's rationale for Afghanistan -- Heroin?

hey idiot...

you guys are amazing.

uh...questions for you:


1. when did US troops enter afghanistan?
2. how long has obama been president

take your head out of your diaper...
Obama could have pulled the US troops out of Afghanistan by now. All it
takes is an order to Sec Def Gates.
You mean, he really didn't mean it when he was running for POTUS?? Oh
my, hope I still get my free car and oil

Please show me where Obama said he'd give you a free car and oil.
Another right wing fallacy.
Everything isn't a "right wing fallacy" just because you don't agree
with it. See, that is the difference between the right and the left. I
accept that you may have a different point of view. It doesn't mean your
lying, it doesn't mean you are stupid, racist, or any of the other "left
wing fallacies".. Just a different point of view...

Either way, you should have figured out by now that I don't take much of
this seriously here... I really don't have the time to argue and
research all the crap that goes on. The kid is in the points race and
working very hard. I am trying to keep up and get her and the machine
where it needs to be... That is a full time job in itself...

No but the lies the right has propagated lately are being gobbled up by
the conservatives as truth no matter HOW outlandish they are. That's the
whole point.

And yet, you can't really point to any lies that are not considered
truth by at least 80% of the people out there reading the bills and
getting informed... Just because you call a "death panel" an "end of
life panel" doesn't mean it's a lie.. It is what it is... Word games
aside...

Sure I can. You DO know that the U.S. government has promoted living
wills for more than 20 years, don't you? Oh, forgot, that's a "death
panel". Read carefully:

http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/...alth-bill.html

Here's your hero lying to you, and then a clip of him endorsing living
wills!!!

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2..._lies_on_h.php

Political Debate - 5 Rightwing Lies About Healthcare Reform Back to
Topics Page: 1 of 3


From: Zohan of Social Sciences (1 of 23) 8/16/2009 7:29:08 AM
To:
Top Five Health Care Reform Lies—and How to Fight Back
Lie #1: President Obama wants to euthanize your grandma!!!

The truth: These accusations—of "death panels" and forced
euthanasia—are, of course, flatly untrue. As an article from the
Associated Press puts it: "No 'death panel' in health care bill."4
What's the real deal? Reform legislation includes a provision, supported
by the AARP, to offer senior citizens access to a professional medical
counselor who will provide them with information on preparing a living
will and other issues facing older Americans.5


Lie #2: Democrats are going to outlaw private insurance and force you
into a government plan!!!

The truth: With reform, choices will increase, not decrease. Obama's
reform plans will create a health insurance exchange, a one-stop
shopping marketplace for affordable, high-quality insurance options.6
Included in the exchange is the public health insurance option—a
nationwide plan with a broad network of providers—that will operate
alongside private insurance companies, injecting competition into the
market to drive quality up and costs down.7

If you're happy with your coverage and doctors, you can keep them.8 But
the new public plan will expand choices to millions of businesses or
individuals who choose to opt into it, including many who simply can't
afford health care now.


Lie #3: President Obama wants to implement Soviet-style rationing!!!


The truth: Health care reform will expand access to high-quality health
insurance, and give individuals, families, and businesses more choices
for coverage. Right now, big corporations decide whether to give you
coverage, what doctors you get to see, and whether a particular
procedure or medicine is covered—that is rationed care. And a big part
of reform is to stop that.


Health care reform will do away with some of the most nefarious aspects
of this rationing: discrimination for pre-existing conditions, insurers
that cancel coverage when you get sick, gender discrimination, and
lifetime and yearly limits on coverage.9 And outside of that, as noted
above, reform will increase insurance options, not force anyone into a
rationed situation.


Lie #4: Obama is secretly plotting to cut senior citizens' Medicare
benefits!!!

The truth: Health care reform plans will not reduce Medicare benefits.10
Reform includes savings from Medicare that are unrelated to patient
care—in fact, the savings comes from cutting billions of dollars in
overpayments to insurance companies and eliminating waste, fraud, and
abuse.11

Lie #5: Obama's health care plan will bankrupt America!!!

The truth: We need health care reform now in order to prevent
bankruptcy—to control spiraling costs that affect individuals, families,
small businesses, and the American economy.

Right now, we spend more than $2 trillion dollars a year on health
care.12 The average family premium is projected to rise to over $22,000
in the next decade13—and each year, nearly a million people face
bankruptcy because of medical expenses.14 Reform, with an affordable,
high-quality public option that can spur competition, is necessary to
bring down skyrocketing costs. Also, President Obama's reform plans
would be fully paid for over 10 years and not add a penny to the deficit.15

Nope, no lies there.....

I think you should believe all those 'truths'. They sound pretty good
to me.

Is Obama really going to pay off our mortgages? Seems like I saw
someone say that on YouTube also.
--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous