On Aug 20, 10:49*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:



On Aug 20, 8:11*pm, Old Guzzisti wrote:
Let's get this straight...

We're going to pass a health care plan

-written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it,

we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for
us

it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of
wallstreet.

What could possibly go wrong?

--

we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd
screw us good

We've had a form of "free market capitalism" for scores of decades
now. *What did it do for us? *The Long Boom

and the rapid collapse.

.. *The strongest national
economy in the history of the modern world. *The most affluent
middle-class in modern history.

which hasn't had a pay increase in 30 years.


Please don't respond, though. *It's not that you will have any
reasonable refutation. *You won't. *It's that I've had my fill of
liberal naivete, misinformation, dissembling, hyperbole, propaganda,
and prevarication.

IOW anyone who disagrees with you and presents the facts is spewing
disinformation

uh huh. that's why your solution has failed. because you can't handle
reality


*(I did have a very good friend once who was an ardent liberal; but,
he wasn't intellectually dishonest.)


what a coincidence. your friend had a right wing friend who WAS
intellectually dishonest

go figure

. *The strongest national
economy in the history of the modern world. *The most affluent
middle-class in modern history.

which hasn't had a pay increase in 30 years.



"Finally, the Census Bureau approach ignores several sources of
income--benefits and transfers--that have grown significantly. When
all of these pieces are out together, the data suggest that median
Census income per person has risen by 50% over the past 30 years--not
18%."
[...]
"Admittedly, this is a touchy issue to write about at a time when
millions of our fellow citizens are out of work and facing dim
prospects for the future. But doesn't it seem as though good public
policy (on trade, immigration and transfers, to name a few) depends on
getting the facts right?"

http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/30/mid...ts-cooley.html

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On Aug 20, 11:50*pm, wrote:
. *The strongest national
economy in the history of the modern world. *The most affluent
middle-class in modern history.

which hasn't had a pay increase in 30 years.

"Finally, the Census Bureau approach ignores several sources of
income--benefits and transfers--that have grown significantly. When
all of these pieces are out together, the data suggest that median
Census income per person has risen by 50% over the past 30 years--not
18%."

thanks for proving me right. 'benefits and transfers' don't benefit
the middle class. we're excluded. so, yes, our wages haven't grown in
30 years.

thanks again

. *The strongest national
economy in the history of the modern world. *The most affluent
middle-class in modern history.

which hasn't had a pay increase in 30 years.


Now, does the claim that the middle-class hasn't had a pay increase in
30 years, not that the phrase is itself meaningful in any
macroeconomic sense, refute the statement that the U.S. has had the
the most affluent middle-class in modern history, or is it an attempt
to dodge contesting that fact?

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On Aug 21, 12:09*am, wrote:
. *The strongest national
economy in the history of the modern world. *The most affluent
middle-class in modern history.

which hasn't had a pay increase in 30 years.

Now, does the claim that the middle-class hasn't had a pay increase in
30 years, not that the phrase is itself meaningful in any
macroeconomic sense, refute the statement that the U.S. has had the
the most affluent middle-class in modern history, or is it an attempt
to dodge contesting that fact?


ROFLMAO!! iow you're acknowledging the middle class is being
impoverished by the very people you say are making us rich.

and, no, we don't have the most affluent middle class in history. we
are in a class with other industrialized countries, so your little
fantasy about free market economics has led, as you admit, to
stagnation for the middle class


do you ever READ the stuff you write?

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On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 20, 8:11 pm, Old Guzzisti wrote:
Let's get this straight...

We're going to pass a health care plan

-written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it,

we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for
us

it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of
wallstreet.


What could possibly go wrong?

--

we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd
screw us good

We've had a form of "free market capitalism" for scores of decades
now. What did it do for us? The Long Boom. The strongest national
economy in the history of the modern world. The most affluent
middle-class in modern history.

Please don't respond, though. It's not that you will have any
reasonable refutation. You won't. It's that I've had my fill of
liberal naivete, misinformation, dissembling, hyperbole, propaganda,
and prevarication.

(I did have a very good friend once who was an ardent liberal; but,
he wasn't intellectually dishonest.)

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I'm no liberal by any stretch of the imagination. You just figuratively
killed the messenger by rejecting out of hand John Mackey's ideas because I
labeled him progressive. How stupid can that be? Did you even read what he
had to say? His ideas are largely free-market and workable proposals. Don't
confuse you with the facts, your mind is made up, just like the Dims in
Washington on Capitol Hill and at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

On Aug 20, 11:08*pm, "Lu Powell" wrote:
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On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 20, 8:11 pm, Old Guzzisti wrote:
Let's get this straight...

We're going to pass a health care plan

-written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it,

we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for
us

it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of
wallstreet.

What could possibly go wrong?

--

we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd
screw us good

We've had a form of "free market capitalism" for scores of decades
now. *What did it do for us? *The Long Boom. *The strongest national
economy in the history of the modern world. *The most affluent
middle-class in modern history.

Please don't respond, though. *It's not that you will have any
reasonable refutation. *You won't. *It's that I've had my fill of
liberal naivete, misinformation, dissembling, hyperbole, propaganda,
and prevarication.

(I did have a very good friend once who was an ardent liberal; but,
he wasn't intellectually dishonest.)

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I'm no liberal by any stretch of the imagination. You just figuratively
killed the messenger by rejecting out of hand John Mackey's ideas because I
labeled him progressive.

since i'm a progressive, it's unlikely your explanation is correct,
isn't it? what i rejected was the CONTENT of his message...a fact you
find hard to comprehend.



How stupid can that be? Did you even read what he
had to say? His ideas are largely free-market and workable proposals. Don't
confuse you with the facts, your mind is made up, *just like the Dims in
Washington on Capitol Hill and at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

as opposed to the great success your friend at the same address had
for the last 8 years. you seem unaware of the fact the stock market
was at 14000 last year and is at 9000 how.

grow up

On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:08:21 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


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On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 20, 8:11 pm, Old Guzzisti wrote:
Let's get this straight...

We're going to pass a health care plan

-written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it,

we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for
us

it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of
wallstreet.


What could possibly go wrong?

--

we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd
screw us good

We've had a form of "free market capitalism" for scores of decades
now. What did it do for us? The Long Boom. The strongest national
economy in the history of the modern world. The most affluent
middle-class in modern history.

Please don't respond, though. It's not that you will have any
reasonable refutation. You won't. It's that I've had my fill of
liberal naivete, misinformation, dissembling, hyperbole, propaganda,
and prevarication.

(I did have a very good friend once who was an ardent liberal; but,
he wasn't intellectually dishonest.)

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I'm no liberal by any stretch of the imagination. You just figuratively
killed the messenger by rejecting out of hand John Mackey's ideas because I
labeled him progressive. How stupid can that be? Did you even read what he
had to say? His ideas are largely free-market and workable proposals. Don't
confuse you with the facts, your mind is made up, just like the Dims in
Washington on Capitol Hill and at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

There's no sense in wasting your time and energy, Lu. He is nothing
but empty rhetoric. Most Progressive's lack compassion, a genuine
sense of history, and intellectual honesty. They not doubt like to
think better of themselves; but, then only a person that IS willing to
be intellectually honest will examine the flaws in their own
reasoning. That's why there is such a flurry of informal fallacies
coming from the left, and when that fact is spoken to, the discussion
simply goes somewhere else in true red herring fashion.

They do love the their Leviathon.

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On Aug 20, 11:32*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:08:21 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:





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On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 20, 8:11 pm, Old Guzzisti wrote:
Let's get this straight...

We're going to pass a health care plan

-written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it,

we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for
us

it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of
wallstreet.

What could possibly go wrong?

--

we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd
screw us good

We've had a form of "free market capitalism" for scores of decades
now. *What did it do for us? *The Long Boom. *The strongest national
economy in the history of the modern world. *The most affluent
middle-class in modern history.

Please don't respond, though. *It's not that you will have any
reasonable refutation. *You won't. *It's that I've had my fill of
liberal naivete, misinformation, dissembling, hyperbole, propaganda,
and prevarication.

(I did have a very good friend once who was an ardent liberal; but,
he wasn't intellectually dishonest.)

--
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I'm no liberal by any stretch of the imagination. You just figuratively
killed the messenger by rejecting out of hand John Mackey's ideas because I
labeled him progressive. How stupid can that be? Did you even read what he
had to say? His ideas are largely free-market and workable proposals. Don't
confuse you with the facts, your mind is made up, *just like the Dims in
Washington on Capitol Hill and at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

There's no sense in wasting your time and energy, Lu. *He is nothing
but empty rhetoric. *Most Progressive's lack compassion, a genuine
sense of history, and intellectual honesty.

IOW they disagree with right wing sock puppets...

*They not doubt like to
think better of themselves; but, then only a person that IS willing to
be intellectually honest will examine the flaws in their own
reasoning. *That's why there is such a flurry of informal fallacies
coming from the left, and when that fact is spoken to, the discussion
simply goes somewhere else in true red herring fashion. *

IOW they don't believe my little free market fairy tales, and dont
believe in monsters under the bed like any right wing child would

They do love the their Leviathon.

somebody's gotta put god on the defensive

On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 20, 8:11*pm, Old Guzzisti wrote:
Let's get this straight...

We're going to pass a health care plan

-written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it,

we had 8 years of free market capitalism...and look at what it did for
us

it's time to get some benefits for the middle class instead of
wallstreet.


What could possibly go wrong?

--

we could say no and continue to rely on the free market....that'd
screw us good

You, wf3h, are an incessant whiner who wants to blame Republicans for
your stupidity in money matters.

--
John H.

"The truth is that unions are essentially parasitic organizations that
thrive only by draining and ultimately destroying the companies and
industries they control."