J i m wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
In most states those who have guns
have passed back ground checks, so have been "validated".


In some states, there are ways around the "validation" because of the
gun show loophole, which must be closed.

Why? The 1st amendment isn't limited to those who pass a background
check?

The validation process isn't stringent enough if card carrying loonies
like Krause can get themselves validated. But sadly, closing the gun
show loophole won't prevent professional murderers and other armed crime
doers from obtaining the tools of their trade.

If we stopped law abiding citizens from owning guns then it will just be
the criminals and government with guns.

On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:08:15 -0400, wrote:

The reality is most CCW holders seldom carry anyway, once the novelty
wears off. The strange thing is, the places where I would want to
carry a gun, prohibit it.

Supposedly you can carry in the national parks now, which presumably
includes the Everglades wilderness areas. The south end of Cayo
Costa has a wild boar issue but I don't know what the rules are out
there. If nothing else you'd probably get the PETA people on your
case if you shot one in self defense.

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On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 02:07:17 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:08:15 -0400, wrote:

The reality is most CCW holders seldom carry anyway, once the novelty
wears off. The strange thing is, the places where I would want to
carry a gun, prohibit it.

Supposedly you can carry in the national parks now, which presumably
includes the Everglades wilderness areas. The south end of Cayo
Costa has a wild boar issue but I don't know what the rules are out
there. If nothing else you'd probably get the PETA people on your
case if you shot one in self defense.

The state has a pretty active trapping effort to get the wild hogs
knocked down. They are pretty thick everywhere around here. My wife
used to see them when she was jogging in the scrub park at the end of
our street. We have had them in the neighborhood. They are not
particularly aggressive. They are basically domestic hogs that got
loose.
We have just about everything living in that buffer though. There are
deer, black bear and occasionally a panther out there. The state
really owns the whole shore line of the Estero Bay,back a mile or so
with the exception of Weeks, a few places that have docks poking out
through the mangroves and the back side of the developed barrier
islands.
That is a lot of square miles to hide in.

If you've ever been in pig habitat, it is downright spooky. They can
eviscerate you, and they take substantial firepower to kill. Usually
several shots, as one only ****es them off. They are smart, and know their
territory like the back of their hoof. Becoming quite a problem, even in
neighborhoods like yours where not long ago if you brought up the subject,
you would lose friends and credibility.

Steve

On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:11:41 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

If you've ever been in pig habitat, it is downright spooky. They can
eviscerate you, and they take substantial firepower to kill.

The ones on Cayo Costa island near here have tusks that are at least 6
to 8 inches long and they have come to associate boaters on the beach
with food.

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On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:11:41 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

The state has a pretty active trapping effort to get the wild hogs
knocked down. They are pretty thick everywhere around here. My wife
used to see them when she was jogging in the scrub park at the end of
our street. We have had them in the neighborhood. They are not
particularly aggressive. They are basically domestic hogs that got
loose.
We have just about everything living in that buffer though. There are
deer, black bear and occasionally a panther out there. The state
really owns the whole shore line of the Estero Bay,back a mile or so
with the exception of Weeks, a few places that have docks poking out
through the mangroves and the back side of the developed barrier
islands.
That is a lot of square miles to hide in.

If you've ever been in pig habitat, it is downright spooky. They can
eviscerate you, and they take substantial firepower to kill. Usually
several shots, as one only ****es them off. They are smart, and know
their
territory like the back of their hoof. Becoming quite a problem, even in
neighborhoods like yours where not long ago if you brought up the subject,
you would lose friends and credibility.

Steve


My wife has been able to run these hogs off just by yelling at them
and once she hit one in the head with a thrown NexTel.
I guess enough people kill them for food around here that they are a
little jumpy. I worry more about the alligators. One took a shot at my
dog on Saturday down at the beach. I managed to scare him off.

Lived in Southern Louisiana for ten years. Fished, swam, and did commercial
diving around them. They always scared the **** out of me.

Steve

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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:39:08 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Keith Nuttle wrote:
In most states those who have guns
have passed back ground checks, so have been "validated".


In some states, there are ways around the "validation" because of the
gun show loophole, which must be closed.

I believe he is talking about the Concealed Carry permit
investigation. That is right up there with the one you need to buy a
machine gun.
In real life, gun control advocacies should love the CCW license. It
gets gun owners mandatory gun safety education, police checks,
fingerprints and photo ID. Isn't that what people have been asking for
since the 60s?
The reality is most CCW holders seldom carry anyway, once the novelty
wears off. The strange thing is, the places where I would want to
carry a gun, prohibit it.


In most states, if you buy a gun from a licensed dealer, you have to
fill out a federal form, and the dealer then calls in the info to a
federal facility set up to do so-called instant screenings to see if
your name pops up on any of the federal "don't sell a gun to him"
databases. That has nothing to do with a concealed carry permit, which
is a state matter.

In Virginia, if you go to a gun show, there will be licensed dealers and
unlicensed dealers and individual sellers. The latter two groups can
sell their firearms to anyone, and not "bother" with the form or phone call.

I have several CCW permits, and they required completion of real gun
safety education courses, fingerprints, state police background checks,
photo ID and in one case, a letter from local law enforcement officials.

On Aug 18, 9:33*pm, Keith Nuttle wrote:
jps wrote:
Couldn't agree with this writer more...

At The Atlanta Journal Constitution in Gingrey’s home state, writer
Jay Bookman takes issue with the increasing trend of Americans coming
to public meeting with deadly force in-tow.

“It is attempted intimidation,” he wrote. “It is an acknowledgment
that, lacking the intellectual firepower and ammunition to carry the
day, the person in question is prepared to try to settle the issue
using the kind of firepower and ammunition that any idiot can purchase
at a local gunshop.”

Bookman continues: “It also reflects a growing mindset among some that
the government just isn’t listening and thus must be made to listen,
one way or the other. There’s a fundamental childishness to that
attitude, a notion that equates listening to agreement. The person in
question is not prepared to accept the idea that having listened to
him, a majority of his fellow Americans might decide that he is wrong.
So he reserves the right to try to impose his view at the point of a
gun.”

I suspect that the president is much safer with people who are legally
carrying guns than with anyone else. *In most states those who have guns
have passed back ground checks, so have been "validated".- Hide quoted text -


the biggest gun mass killer, the guy at VA tech...owned his guns
legally

33 dead people as a result.

thanks to the NRA

On Aug 19, 6:27*am, wf3h wrote:
On Aug 18, 9:33*pm, Keith Nuttle wrote:



jps wrote:
Couldn't agree with this writer more...

At The Atlanta Journal Constitution in Gingrey’s home state, writer
Jay Bookman takes issue with the increasing trend of Americans coming
to public meeting with deadly force in-tow.

“It is attempted intimidation,” he wrote. “It is an acknowledgment
that, lacking the intellectual firepower and ammunition to carry the
day, the person in question is prepared to try to settle the issue
using the kind of firepower and ammunition that any idiot can purchase
at a local gunshop.”

Bookman continues: “It also reflects a growing mindset among some that
the government just isn’t listening and thus must be made to listen,
one way or the other. There’s a fundamental childishness to that
attitude, a notion that equates listening to agreement. The person in
question is not prepared to accept the idea that having listened to
him, a majority of his fellow Americans might decide that he is wrong..
So he reserves the right to try to impose his view at the point of a
gun.”

I suspect that the president is much safer with people who are legally
carrying guns than with anyone else. *In most states those who have guns
have passed back ground checks, so have been "validated".- Hide quoted text -

the biggest gun mass killer, the guy at VA tech...owned his guns
legally

33 dead people as a result.

thanks to the NRA

You mean, we told him to pull the trigger????
thanks tot he NRA?

On Aug 19, 9:04*am, Tim wrote:
On Aug 19, 6:27*am, wf3h wrote:





On Aug 18, 9:33*pm, Keith Nuttle wrote:

jps wrote:
Couldn't agree with this writer more...

At The Atlanta Journal Constitution in Gingrey’s home state, writer
Jay Bookman takes issue with the increasing trend of Americans coming
to public meeting with deadly force in-tow.

“It is attempted intimidation,” he wrote. “It is an acknowledgment
that, lacking the intellectual firepower and ammunition to carry the
day, the person in question is prepared to try to settle the issue
using the kind of firepower and ammunition that any idiot can purchase
at a local gunshop.”

Bookman continues: “It also reflects a growing mindset among some that
the government just isn’t listening and thus must be made to listen,
one way or the other. There’s a fundamental childishness to that
attitude, a notion that equates listening to agreement. The person in
question is not prepared to accept the idea that having listened to
him, a majority of his fellow Americans might decide that he is wrong.
So he reserves the right to try to impose his view at the point of a
gun.”

I suspect that the president is much safer with people who are legally
carrying guns than with anyone else. *In most states those who have guns
have passed back ground checks, so have been "validated".- Hide quoted text -

the biggest gun mass killer, the guy at VA tech...owned his guns
legally

33 dead people as a result.

thanks to the NRA

You mean, we told him to pull the trigger????
thanks tot he NRA?-

the NRA has always been in favor of psychopaths owning guns.

wf3h wrote:
On Aug 19, 9:04 am, Tim wrote:
On Aug 19, 6:27 am, wf3h wrote:





On Aug 18, 9:33 pm, Keith Nuttle wrote:
jps wrote:
Couldn't agree with this writer more...
At The Atlanta Journal Constitution in Gingrey’s home state, writer
Jay Bookman takes issue with the increasing trend of Americans coming
to public meeting with deadly force in-tow.
“It is attempted intimidation,” he wrote. “It is an acknowledgment
that, lacking the intellectual firepower and ammunition to carry the
day, the person in question is prepared to try to settle the issue
using the kind of firepower and ammunition that any idiot can purchase
at a local gunshop.”
Bookman continues: “It also reflects a growing mindset among some that
the government just isn’t listening and thus must be made to listen,
one way or the other. There’s a fundamental childishness to that
attitude, a notion that equates listening to agreement. The person in
question is not prepared to accept the idea that having listened to
him, a majority of his fellow Americans might decide that he is wrong.
So he reserves the right to try to impose his view at the point of a
gun.”
I suspect that the president is much safer with people who are legally
carrying guns than with anyone else. In most states those who have guns
have passed back ground checks, so have been "validated".- Hide quoted text -
the biggest gun mass killer, the guy at VA tech...owned his guns
legally
33 dead people as a result.
thanks to the NRA
You mean, we told him to pull the trigger????
thanks tot he NRA?-

the NRA has always been in favor of psychopaths owning guns.

And hiring psychopaths as the leaders...