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Americans working much harder – for less pay
Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
jps wrote:
Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a corresponding increase in the effort of the individual. So a 6.4% increase in production does not mean that the employee is being overworked as implied. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Aug 11, 9:07*pm, jps wrote:
Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ somebody has to take care of the rich. god knows they've suffered, what with all the wall street problems. we middle class folks will muddle through but our first obligation, before family, before self, before anything...is to care for the rich |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Aug 11, 9:10*pm, Keith Nuttle wrote:
jps wrote: Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a corresponding increase in the effort of the individual. *So a 6.4% increase in production does not mean that the employee is being overworked as implied. what really happened is that so many people got laid off, productivity increased because the output/worker increased. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 11, 9:07 pm, jps wrote: Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ somebody has to take care of the rich. god knows they've suffered, what with all the wall street problems. we middle class folks will muddle through but our first obligation, before family, before self, before anything...is to care for the rich I'd rather their heads on pikes. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Aug 11, 9:10 pm, Keith Nuttle wrote: jps wrote: Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a corresponding increase in the effort of the individual. So a 6.4% increase in production does not mean that the employee is being overworked as implied. what really happened is that so many people got laid off, productivity increased because the output/worker increased. Maybe the deadwood went first. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:10:59 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote: jps wrote: Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a corresponding increase in the effort of the individual. So a 6.4% increase in production does not mean that the employee is being overworked as implied. Don't know if you're heard, we don't have production lines here anymore. We're in the service business and military arms. The productivity gains come from less workers doing more, working longer hours for pay that doesn't keep up with the rising cost of living. |
Americans working much harder - for less pay
"jps" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:10:59 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: jps wrote: Feel like you're working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay - or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, "unit labor costs" - the amount employers paid for all that extra work - fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a corresponding increase in the effort of the individual. So a 6.4% increase in production does not mean that the employee is being overworked as implied. Don't know if you're heard, we don't have production lines here anymore. We're in the service business and military arms. The productivity gains come from less workers doing more, working longer hours for pay that doesn't keep up with the rising cost of living. No production, so we could not raise productivity. You kept all your deadwood. |
Americans working much harder - for less pay
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:03:52 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:10:59 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: jps wrote: Feel like you're working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay - or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, "unit labor costs" - the amount employers paid for all that extra work - fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a corresponding increase in the effort of the individual. So a 6.4% increase in production does not mean that the employee is being overworked as implied. Don't know if you're heard, we don't have production lines here anymore. We're in the service business and military arms. The productivity gains come from less workers doing more, working longer hours for pay that doesn't keep up with the rising cost of living. No production, so we could not raise productivity. You kept all your deadwood. You don't have to produce on a line to be productive. We write software, it doesn't benefit from a faster production line. We are doing more with less people. When times are lean, that's the way it works. Did you ever work for an entreprenurial company or only behemoths? |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Aug 12, 12:23*am, "CalifBill" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Aug 11, 9:10 pm, Keith Nuttle wrote: jps wrote: Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a corresponding increase in the effort of the individual. So a 6.4% increase in production does not mean that the employee is being overworked as implied. what really happened is that so many people got laid off, productivity increased because the output/worker increased. Maybe the deadwood went first. yeah, that's the cliche they want you to believe |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Aug 11, 9:12*pm, wf3h wrote:
On Aug 11, 9:07*pm, jps wrote: Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ somebody has to take care of the rich. god knows they've suffered, what with all the wall street problems. we middle class folks will muddle through but our first obligation, before family, before self, before anything...is to care for the rich Be glad there's rich people, otherwise you couldn't afford that boat you just bought , Very first Lincoln Mrk VII LSC I bought was in '93 from an eye surgeon. He had depreciated it out. it had 85,000 mi on it, all available options- sun roof. Beautiful! Still had the original window price sheet in the glove box of $36,852.00 we got it for $6500.00! I told the wife, I was thankful for "rich people" who like to throw stuff away...... |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Aug 12, 7:10*am, Tim wrote:
On Aug 11, 9:12*pm, wf3h wrote: On Aug 11, 9:07*pm, jps wrote: Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ somebody has to take care of the rich. god knows they've suffered, what with all the wall street problems. we middle class folks will muddle through but our first obligation, before family, before self, before anything...is to care for the rich Be glad there's rich people, otherwise you couldn't afford that boat you just bought , yeah that's what they tell us, isn't it? and they deserve to be rich, regardless of what they do, don't they? they trash the economic system; we pay for it. they trash their companies; we pay for it. no matter what they do, we should grovel before them and thank them for being rich, no matter what it costs us. and we should be thankful there are people like you to remind us what a privilege it is to serve rich people, no matter what they do. serfs are always needed to carry the slop buckets and they should be glad for the work you kill me, you know that? |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 12, 7:10 am, Tim wrote: On Aug 11, 9:12 pm, wf3h wrote: On Aug 11, 9:07 pm, jps wrote: Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ somebody has to take care of the rich. god knows they've suffered, what with all the wall street problems. we middle class folks will muddle through but our first obligation, before family, before self, before anything...is to care for the rich Be glad there's rich people, otherwise you couldn't afford that boat you just bought , yeah that's what they tell us, isn't it? and they deserve to be rich, regardless of what they do, don't they? they trash the economic system; we pay for it. they trash their companies; we pay for it. no matter what they do, we should grovel before them and thank them for being rich, no matter what it costs us. and we should be thankful there are people like you to remind us what a privilege it is to serve rich people, no matter what they do. serfs are always needed to carry the slop buckets and they should be glad for the work you kill me, you know that? You never know when a crumb might fall from the table of the rich and you'll get to drive it. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Aug 12, 7:36*am, wf3h wrote:
On Aug 12, 7:10*am, Tim wrote: On Aug 11, 9:12*pm, wf3h wrote: On Aug 11, 9:07*pm, jps wrote: Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ somebody has to take care of the rich. god knows they've suffered, what with all the wall street problems. we middle class folks will muddle through but our first obligation, before family, before self, before anything...is to care for the rich Be glad there's rich people, otherwise you couldn't afford that boat you just bought , yeah that's what they tell us, isn't it? and they deserve to be rich, regardless of what they do, don't they? they trash the economic system; we pay for it. they trash their companies; we pay for it. no matter what they do, we should grovel before them and thank them for being rich, no matter what it costs us. and we should be thankful there are people like you to remind us what a privilege it is to serve rich people, no matter what they do. serfs are always needed to carry the slop buckets and they should be glad for the work you kill me, you know that? I'm not saying they deserve what they have or haven't got. But they do have it. I have some very wealthy friends and I don't feel like they owe me anything. If you feel like a serf then that's your problem or privilege. and no, I wouldn't kill you. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Aug 12, 7:39*am, H the K wrote:
wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 7:10 am, Tim wrote: On Aug 11, 9:12 pm, wf3h wrote: On Aug 11, 9:07 pm, jps wrote: Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ somebody has to take care of the rich. god knows they've suffered, what with all the wall street problems. we middle class folks will muddle through but our first obligation, before family, before self, before anything...is to care for the rich Be glad there's rich people, otherwise you couldn't afford that boat you just bought , yeah that's what they tell us, isn't it? and they deserve to be rich, regardless of what they do, don't they? they trash the economic system; we pay for it. they trash their companies; we pay for it. no matter what they do, we should grovel before them and thank them for being rich, no matter what it costs us. and we should be thankful there are people like you to remind us what a privilege it is to serve rich people, no matter what they do. serfs are always needed to carry the slop buckets and they should be glad for the work you kill me, you know that? You never know when a crumb might fall from the table of the rich and you'll get to drive it. And it was a very delicious crum indeed! |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 12, 12:23 am, "CalifBill" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message ... On Aug 11, 9:10 pm, Keith Nuttle wrote: jps wrote: Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a corresponding increase in the effort of the individual. So a 6.4% increase in production does not mean that the employee is being overworked as implied. what really happened is that so many people got laid off, productivity increased because the output/worker increased. Maybe the deadwood went first. yeah, that's the cliche they want you to believe You sound like you are a union wage and benefit negotiator. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 12:23 am, "CalifBill" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message ... On Aug 11, 9:10 pm, Keith Nuttle wrote: jps wrote: Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a corresponding increase in the effort of the individual. So a 6.4% increase in production does not mean that the employee is being overworked as implied. what really happened is that so many people got laid off, productivity increased because the output/worker increased. Maybe the deadwood went first. yeah, that's the cliche they want you to believe You sound like you are a union wage and benefit negotiator. *You* sound like (and are) an undereducated boor who couldn't make it in college, joined the marines, were such a success at that you never got an overseas billet, and have been compensating for it ever since. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Aug 12, 9:04*am, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 12:23 am, "CalifBill" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message Maybe the deadwood went first. yeah, that's the cliche they want you to believe You sound like you are a union wage and benefit negotiator.- and you sound like a shill for leona helmsley. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Aug 12, 8:44*am, Tim wrote:
On Aug 12, 7:36*am, wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 7:10*am, Tim wrote: On Aug 11, 9:12*pm, wf3h wrote: On Aug 11, 9:07*pm, jps wrote: Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ somebody has to take care of the rich. god knows they've suffered, what with all the wall street problems. we middle class folks will muddle through but our first obligation, before family, before self, before anything...is to care for the rich Be glad there's rich people, otherwise you couldn't afford that boat you just bought , yeah that's what they tell us, isn't it? and they deserve to be rich, regardless of what they do, don't they? they trash the economic system; we pay for it. they trash their companies; we pay for it. no matter what they do, we should grovel before them and thank them for being rich, no matter what it costs us. and we should be thankful there are people like you to remind us what a privilege it is to serve rich people, no matter what they do. serfs are always needed to carry the slop buckets and they should be glad for the work you kill me, you know that? I'm not saying they deserve what they have or haven't got. But they do have it. I have some very wealthy friends and I don't feel like they owe me anything. If you feel like a serf then that's your problem or privilege. what i do feel is that the rich will take care of themselves. i don't need to be reminded of how fortunate we are to have them around. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Aug 12, 8:51*am, wf3h wrote:
On Aug 12, 8:44*am, Tim wrote: On Aug 12, 7:36*am, wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 7:10*am, Tim wrote: On Aug 11, 9:12*pm, wf3h wrote: On Aug 11, 9:07*pm, jps wrote: Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ somebody has to take care of the rich. god knows they've suffered, what with all the wall street problems. we middle class folks will muddle through but our first obligation, before family, before self, before anything...is to care for the rich Be glad there's rich people, otherwise you couldn't afford that boat you just bought , yeah that's what they tell us, isn't it? and they deserve to be rich, regardless of what they do, don't they? they trash the economic system; we pay for it. they trash their companies; we pay for it. no matter what they do, we should grovel before them and thank them for being rich, no matter what it costs us. and we should be thankful there are people like you to remind us what a privilege it is to serve rich people, no matter what they do. serfs are always needed to carry the slop buckets and they should be glad for the work you kill me, you know that? I'm not saying they deserve what they have or haven't got. But they do have it. I have some very wealthy friends and I don't feel like they owe me anything. If you feel like a serf then that's your problem or privilege. what i do feel is that the rich will take care of themselves. i don't need to be reminded of how fortunate we are to have them around. Sure they will and always have. And of course you don't need to be reminded, especially when you're on you're boat that I'm speculating you couldn't have afforded to buy when it was new. |
Americans working much harder - for less pay
jps wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:03:52 -0700, "CalifBill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:10:59 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: jps wrote: Feel like you're working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay - or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, "unit labor costs" - the amount employers paid for all that extra work - fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a corresponding increase in the effort of the individual. So a 6.4% increase in production does not mean that the employee is being overworked as implied. Don't know if you're heard, we don't have production lines here anymore. We're in the service business and military arms. The productivity gains come from less workers doing more, working longer hours for pay that doesn't keep up with the rising cost of living. No production, so we could not raise productivity. You kept all your deadwood. You don't have to produce on a line to be productive. We write software, it doesn't benefit from a faster production line. We are doing more with less people. When times are lean, that's the way it works. Did you ever work for an entreprenurial company or only behemoths? How well are those German screwdrivers helping you write software? |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Aug 12, 6:38*pm, Tim wrote:
On Aug 12, 8:51*am, wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 8:44*am, Tim wrote: On Aug 12, 7:36*am, wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 7:10*am, Tim wrote: On Aug 11, 9:12*pm, wf3h wrote: On Aug 11, 9:07*pm, jps wrote: Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ somebody has to take care of the rich. god knows they've suffered, what with all the wall street problems. we middle class folks will muddle through but our first obligation, before family, before self, before anything...is to care for the rich Be glad there's rich people, otherwise you couldn't afford that boat you just bought , yeah that's what they tell us, isn't it? and they deserve to be rich, regardless of what they do, don't they? they trash the economic system; we pay for it. they trash their companies; we pay for it. no matter what they do, we should grovel before them and thank them for being rich, no matter what it costs us. and we should be thankful there are people like you to remind us what a privilege it is to serve rich people, no matter what they do. serfs are always needed to carry the slop buckets and they should be glad for the work you kill me, you know that? I'm not saying they deserve what they have or haven't got. But they do have it. I have some very wealthy friends and I don't feel like they owe me anything. If you feel like a serf then that's your problem or privilege. what i do feel is that the rich will take care of themselves. i don't need to be reminded of how fortunate we are to have them around. Sure they will and always have. And of course you don't need to be reminded, especially when you're on you're boat that I'm speculating you couldn't have afforded to buy when it was new. that's correct. i work honestly for my living. i don't sell CDO's, derivatives, REIT, or other financial instruments that have made the rich so rich, and, when they trashed their own bank accounts, they came and raided mine |
Americans working much harder - for less pay
jps wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:03:52 -0700, "CalifBill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:10:59 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: jps wrote: Feel like you're working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay - or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, "unit labor costs" - the amount employers paid for all that extra work - fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a corresponding increase in the effort of the individual. So a 6.4% increase in production does not mean that the employee is being overworked as implied. Don't know if you're heard, we don't have production lines here anymore. We're in the service business and military arms. The productivity gains come from less workers doing more, working longer hours for pay that doesn't keep up with the rising cost of living. No production, so we could not raise productivity. You kept all your deadwood. You don't have to produce on a line to be productive. We write software, it doesn't benefit from a faster production line. We are doing more with less people. When times are lean, that's the way it works. Did you ever work for an entreprenurial company or only behemoths? I only worked for 2 behemoths. 6 startup companies and my own construction equipment leasing company was small. And we got rid of deadwood in the startups whenever there was a slow down if it was not closing the doors. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:38:01 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Aug 12, 8:51*am, wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 8:44*am, Tim wrote: On Aug 12, 7:36*am, wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 7:10*am, Tim wrote: On Aug 11, 9:12*pm, wf3h wrote: On Aug 11, 9:07*pm, jps wrote: Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ somebody has to take care of the rich. god knows they've suffered, what with all the wall street problems. we middle class folks will muddle through but our first obligation, before family, before self, before anything...is to care for the rich Be glad there's rich people, otherwise you couldn't afford that boat you just bought , yeah that's what they tell us, isn't it? and they deserve to be rich, regardless of what they do, don't they? they trash the economic system; we pay for it. they trash their companies; we pay for it. no matter what they do, we should grovel before them and thank them for being rich, no matter what it costs us. and we should be thankful there are people like you to remind us what a privilege it is to serve rich people, no matter what they do. serfs are always needed to carry the slop buckets and they should be glad for the work you kill me, you know that? I'm not saying they deserve what they have or haven't got. But they do have it. I have some very wealthy friends and I don't feel like they owe me anything. If you feel like a serf then that's your problem or privilege. what i do feel is that the rich will take care of themselves. i don't need to be reminded of how fortunate we are to have them around. Sure they will and always have. And of course you don't need to be reminded, especially when you're on you're boat that I'm speculating you couldn't have afforded to buy when it was new. Sure wish they'd pass some of them Tiffany diamonds on at a depreciated price. I can't afford to buy them. Tim, hope you're living a life of near poverty 'cause you sure seem to cotton to it easily. That'll leave more money for the rest of us. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 05:44:35 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Aug 12, 7:39*am, H the K wrote: wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 7:10 am, Tim wrote: On Aug 11, 9:12 pm, wf3h wrote: On Aug 11, 9:07 pm, jps wrote: Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ somebody has to take care of the rich. god knows they've suffered, what with all the wall street problems. we middle class folks will muddle through but our first obligation, before family, before self, before anything...is to care for the rich Be glad there's rich people, otherwise you couldn't afford that boat you just bought , yeah that's what they tell us, isn't it? and they deserve to be rich, regardless of what they do, don't they? they trash the economic system; we pay for it. they trash their companies; we pay for it. no matter what they do, we should grovel before them and thank them for being rich, no matter what it costs us. and we should be thankful there are people like you to remind us what a privilege it is to serve rich people, no matter what they do. serfs are always needed to carry the slop buckets and they should be glad for the work you kill me, you know that? You never know when a crumb might fall from the table of the rich and you'll get to drive it. And it was a very delicious crum indeed! May I have some more sir? No! you little scum! |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Aug 12, 6:53*pm, wf3h wrote:
On Aug 12, 6:38*pm, Tim wrote: On Aug 12, 8:51*am, wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 8:44*am, Tim wrote: On Aug 12, 7:36*am, wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 7:10*am, Tim wrote: On Aug 11, 9:12*pm, wf3h wrote: On Aug 11, 9:07*pm, jps wrote: Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are.. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ somebody has to take care of the rich. god knows they've suffered, what with all the wall street problems. we middle class folks will muddle through but our first obligation, before family, before self, before anything...is to care for the rich Be glad there's rich people, otherwise you couldn't afford that boat you just bought , yeah that's what they tell us, isn't it? and they deserve to be rich, regardless of what they do, don't they? they trash the economic system; we pay for it. they trash their companies; we pay for it. no matter what they do, we should grovel before them and thank them for being rich, no matter what it costs us. and we should be thankful there are people like you to remind us what a privilege it is to serve rich people, no matter what they do. serfs are always needed to carry the slop buckets and they should be glad for the work you kill me, you know that? I'm not saying they deserve what they have or haven't got. But they do have it. I have some very wealthy friends and I don't feel like they owe me anything. If you feel like a serf then that's your problem or privilege. what i do feel is that the rich will take care of themselves. i don't need to be reminded of how fortunate we are to have them around. Sure they will and always have. And of course you don't need to be reminded, especially when you're on you're boat that I'm speculating you couldn't have afforded to buy when it was new. that's correct. i work honestly for my living. i don't sell CDO's, derivatives, REIT, or other financial instruments that have made the rich so rich, and, when they trashed their own bank accounts, they came and raided mine many wealthy do too!, one of the hundreds of examples was Leo Fender who ran a record store and radio repair shop in the 40's, in about 1965 he sold Fender Musical Instruments Company to CBS (Yes, the broadcasting company) for over $6. Mil. . He didn't sell it because he had to, but they came up with a price he couldn't refuse. Leo didn't sell "CDO's, derivatives, REIT, or other financial instruments that have made the rich so rich," So, not a bad return for 20 years of hard work. Now Joe Kennedy? He was a self made millionaire, but how he got his? er..... Well, lets say he made his in "sales" |
Americans working much harder - for less pay
Calif Bill wrote:
jps wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:03:52 -0700, "CalifBill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:10:59 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: jps wrote: Feel like you're working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay - or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, "unit labor costs" - the amount employers paid for all that extra work - fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a corresponding increase in the effort of the individual. So a 6.4% increase in production does not mean that the employee is being overworked as implied. Don't know if you're heard, we don't have production lines here anymore. We're in the service business and military arms. The productivity gains come from less workers doing more, working longer hours for pay that doesn't keep up with the rising cost of living. No production, so we could not raise productivity. You kept all your deadwood. You don't have to produce on a line to be productive. We write software, it doesn't benefit from a faster production line. We are doing more with less people. When times are lean, that's the way it works. Did you ever work for an entreprenurial company or only behemoths? I only worked for 2 behemoths. 6 startup companies and my own construction equipment leasing company was small. And we got rid of deadwood in the startups whenever there was a slow down if it was not closing the doors. I worked for a behemoth and we lopped off the bottom 10% every 6 months. Our manufacturing was outsourced to a company in Utah that put CD's into a box and shrink wrapped them. We were constantly having to rate our employees into A, B, C and D categories. Those in the D category got the ax. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Aug 12, 8:19*pm, Tim wrote:
On Aug 12, 6:53*pm, wf3h wrote: that's correct. i work honestly for my living. i don't sell CDO's, derivatives, REIT, or other financial instruments that have made the rich so rich, and, when they trashed their own bank accounts, they came and raided mine many wealthy do too!, tell you what. you go find the record of how many middle class people work their way into the top 2% of americans and get back to us on that... find out how many children of blue collar workers go to the ivy league...the gateway to networking...actually i know the answer to that. it's less than 3% so, actually, many wealthy don't work. they take my money so they don't have to work for theirs. they kill my pension plan, destroy my 401K, and get me to pay for their bailouts THEN they get people like you to tell me how fortunate i am they let me do this. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:03:29 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: On Aug 12, 8:19*pm, Tim wrote: On Aug 12, 6:53*pm, wf3h wrote: that's correct. i work honestly for my living. i don't sell CDO's, derivatives, REIT, or other financial instruments that have made the rich so rich, and, when they trashed their own bank accounts, they came and raided mine many wealthy do too!, tell you what. you go find the record of how many middle class people work their way into the top 2% of americans and get back to us on that... find out how many children of blue collar workers go to the ivy league...the gateway to networking...actually i know the answer to that. it's less than 3% so, actually, many wealthy don't work. they take my money so they don't have to work for theirs. they kill my pension plan, destroy my 401K, and get me to pay for their bailouts THEN they get people like you to tell me how fortunate i am they let me do this. No, he said that you'd be fortunate to buy their castoffs for cheap, when they're done using them. He didn't mention the part about most of us working our entire lives to facilitate their purchase of high priced goods. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
Keith Nuttle wrote:
On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a corresponding increase in the effort of the individual. Todays production lines? What percentage of GDP do you think that represents? |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Aug 12, 9:03*pm, wf3h wrote:
On Aug 12, 8:19*pm, Tim wrote: On Aug 12, 6:53*pm, wf3h wrote: that's correct. i work honestly for my living. i don't sell CDO's, derivatives, REIT, or other financial instruments that have made the rich so rich, and, when they trashed their own bank accounts, they came and raided mine many wealthy do too!, tell you what. you go find the record of how many middle class people work their way into the top 2% of americans and get back to us on that... find out how many children of blue collar workers go to the ivy league...the gateway to networking...actually i know the answer to that. it's less than 3% so, actually, many wealthy don't work. they take my money so they don't have to work for theirs. they kill my pension plan, destroy my 401K, and get me to pay for their bailouts THEN they get people like you to tell me how fortunate i am they let me do this. Well actually, "they" don't get me to do much of anything for "them" and I'm not "they're spokesman, but your statement is correct when you say "so, actually, many wealthy don't work. " and you're correct. I wouldn't' work if I were rich either. Now you keep saying things like "pay for bailouts" hmmm, I think you are bagging those of wealth and labeling them all as financial institutions employees, aren't you? It seems that way or at least it does to me. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Aug 13, 4:34*am, Tim wrote:
On Aug 12, 9:03*pm, wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 8:19*pm, Tim wrote: On Aug 12, 6:53*pm, wf3h wrote: that's correct. i work honestly for my living. i don't sell CDO's, derivatives, REIT, or other financial instruments that have made the rich so rich, and, when they trashed their own bank accounts, they came and raided mine many wealthy do too!, tell you what. you go find the record of how many middle class people work their way into the top 2% of americans and get back to us on that... find out how many children of blue collar workers go to the ivy league...the gateway to networking...actually i know the answer to that. it's less than 3% so, actually, many wealthy don't work. they take my money so they don't have to work for theirs. they kill my pension plan, destroy my 401K, and get me to pay for their bailouts THEN they get people like you to tell me how fortunate i am they let me do this. Well actually, "they" don't get me to do much of anything for "them" and I'm not "they're spokesman, but your statement is correct when you say "so, actually, many wealthy don't work. " and you're correct. I wouldn't' work if I were rich either. Now you keep saying things like "pay for bailouts" hmmm, I think you are bagging those of wealth and labeling them all as financial institutions employees, aren't you? It seems that way or at least it does to me.- uh...who owns those financial institutions? those folks are called 'wealthy' |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:19:35 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: On Aug 13, 4:34*am, Tim wrote: On Aug 12, 9:03*pm, wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 8:19*pm, Tim wrote: On Aug 12, 6:53*pm, wf3h wrote: that's correct. i work honestly for my living. i don't sell CDO's, derivatives, REIT, or other financial instruments that have made the rich so rich, and, when they trashed their own bank accounts, they came and raided mine many wealthy do too!, tell you what. you go find the record of how many middle class people work their way into the top 2% of americans and get back to us on that... find out how many children of blue collar workers go to the ivy league...the gateway to networking...actually i know the answer to that. it's less than 3% so, actually, many wealthy don't work. they take my money so they don't have to work for theirs. they kill my pension plan, destroy my 401K, and get me to pay for their bailouts THEN they get people like you to tell me how fortunate i am they let me do this. Well actually, "they" don't get me to do much of anything for "them" and I'm not "they're spokesman, but your statement is correct when you say "so, actually, many wealthy don't work. " and you're correct. I wouldn't' work if I were rich either. Now you keep saying things like "pay for bailouts" hmmm, I think you are bagging those of wealth and labeling them all as financial institutions employees, aren't you? It seems that way or at least it does to me.- uh...who owns those financial institutions? those folks are called 'wealthy' Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Aug 13, 5:19*am, wf3h wrote:
On Aug 13, 4:34*am, Tim wrote: On Aug 12, 9:03*pm, wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 8:19*pm, Tim wrote: On Aug 12, 6:53*pm, wf3h wrote: that's correct. i work honestly for my living. i don't sell CDO's, derivatives, REIT, or other financial instruments that have made the rich so rich, and, when they trashed their own bank accounts, they came and raided mine many wealthy do too!, tell you what. you go find the record of how many middle class people work their way into the top 2% of americans and get back to us on that... find out how many children of blue collar workers go to the ivy league...the gateway to networking...actually i know the answer to that. it's less than 3% so, actually, many wealthy don't work. they take my money so they don't have to work for theirs. they kill my pension plan, destroy my 401K, and get me to pay for their bailouts THEN they get people like you to tell me how fortunate i am they let me do this. Well actually, "they" don't get me to do much of anything for "them" and I'm not "they're spokesman, but your statement is correct when you say "so, actually, many wealthy don't work. " and you're correct. I wouldn't' work if I were rich either. Now you keep saying things like "pay for bailouts" hmmm, I think you are bagging those of wealth and labeling them all as financial institutions employees, aren't you? It seems that way or at least it does to me.- uh...who owns those financial institutions? those folks are called 'wealthy' I thought the owners were share holders who own publicly traded stock.? |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Aug 13, 6:13*am, JLH wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:19:35 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 4:34*am, Tim wrote: On Aug 12, 9:03*pm, wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 8:19*pm, Tim wrote: On Aug 12, 6:53*pm, wf3h wrote: that's correct. i work honestly for my living. i don't sell CDO's, derivatives, REIT, or other financial instruments that have made the rich so rich, and, when they trashed their own bank accounts, they came and raided mine many wealthy do too!, tell you what. you go find the record of how many middle class people work their way into the top 2% of americans and get back to us on that... find out how many children of blue collar workers go to the ivy league...the gateway to networking...actually i know the answer to that. it's less than 3% so, actually, many wealthy don't work. they take my money so they don't have to work for theirs. they kill my pension plan, destroy my 401K, and get me to pay for their bailouts THEN they get people like you to tell me how fortunate i am they let me do this. Well actually, "they" don't get me to do much of anything for "them" and I'm not "they're spokesman, but your statement is correct when you say "so, actually, many wealthy don't work. " and you're correct. I wouldn't' work if I were rich either. Now you keep saying things like "pay for bailouts" hmmm, I think you are bagging those of wealth and labeling them all as financial institutions employees, aren't you? It seems that way or at least it does to me.- uh...who owns those financial institutions? those folks are called 'wealthy' Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. John I suppose you could be right. We need to define wealthy, and rich. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Aug 13, 7:13*am, JLH wrote:
Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13*am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
Americans working much harder - for less pay
D wrote:
jps wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:03:52 -0700, "CalifBill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:10:59 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: jps wrote: Feel like you're working a lot harder these days, putting in longer hours for the same pay - or even less? The latest round of government data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are. The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared to a year ago. At the same time, "unit labor costs" - the amount employers paid for all that extra work - fell by 5.8 percent. The jump in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more than double expectations. That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work came with a smaller paycheck. Full story here... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/ On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a corresponding increase in the effort of the individual. So a 6.4% increase in production does not mean that the employee is being overworked as implied. Don't know if you're heard, we don't have production lines here anymore. We're in the service business and military arms. The productivity gains come from less workers doing more, working longer hours for pay that doesn't keep up with the rising cost of living. No production, so we could not raise productivity. You kept all your deadwood. You don't have to produce on a line to be productive. We write software, it doesn't benefit from a faster production line. We are doing more with less people. When times are lean, that's the way it works. Did you ever work for an entreprenurial company or only behemoths? How well are those German screwdrivers helping you write software? That's what I was thinking, how do you write software with a screwdriver! He's lying like Harry of course, you'll see no evidence of his work. |
Americans working much harder – for less pay
On Aug 13, 7:28*am, JLH wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 13, 7:13*am, JLH wrote: Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself 'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is). -- yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k portfolio. big shwoop. Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the material sense, of course). ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have quite an imagination. Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped him at all. -- ?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc. THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated unfairly... |
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